Essex boys discuss(update pg5)
20-10-2008, 09:38 PM
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ive met frankie fraiser a few time when i was younger and have you seen hes face,,,,, he was shot in the face with a shot gun outsite ec1 clue years ago
he seems to have handled it ok, its a bit twisted but then so is hes humor
21-10-2008, 09:02 AM
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There is nothing mentioned about whether the killer(s) turned the ignition off or the driver turned the ignition off when he stopped.
Once the men were executed the Range Rover may have been ticking over all night hence why it didn't freeze up. Not sure how long it would run though before it would run out of fuel......
Once the men were executed the Range Rover may have been ticking over all night hence why it didn't freeze up. Not sure how long it would run though before it would run out of fuel......
21-10-2008, 09:30 AM
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If that was the case, I read in one of the articles that the handbrake was of in the Range & it was also in D (Drive), so if the driver didn't have his foot on the break it would of driven off surely ??
Unless he was shot wit his foot left on the break & that was how he was found ?? No mention if the Range was runnin when found or if there was fuel in the tank etc ??
Very interesting story, I personally don't think the 2 guys doin time committed the murders !! Seen Essex Boy's, not Rise of the foot soilder yet tho !!
jb
Unless he was shot wit his foot left on the break & that was how he was found ?? No mention if the Range was runnin when found or if there was fuel in the tank etc ??
Very interesting story, I personally don't think the 2 guys doin time committed the murders !! Seen Essex Boy's, not Rise of the foot soilder yet tho !!
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21-10-2008, 09:47 AM
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Interesting about the frost, but how about this as an explanation.... When i park my runaround on the drive of my house, the side that is next to the bushes never freezes up, in winter but the other side needs a scraper to get the frost off. Maybe foliage prevents icing due to a different temp. I know that hot or warm substances freeze quicker than cold, something to do with superheating and rapid temp drop....
Anyway its interesting to see that one side stays clear of frost when parked near the bushes!!!!!!
We will never know, it does seem alot of faffing about to set the scene up, what would be the reason? and the means of getting them to the range would have been too much grief surely, especially as they all weighed in at a fair few poundage....
Anyway its interesting to see that one side stays clear of frost when parked near the bushes!!!!!!
We will never know, it does seem alot of faffing about to set the scene up, what would be the reason? and the means of getting them to the range would have been too much grief surely, especially as they all weighed in at a fair few poundage....
21-10-2008, 09:50 AM
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Im pretty sure they died there and then on the lane. Doesn't any any sense atall to do it anywhere else.
So many people are interested in this story. I just hope the truth comes out one day but im not holding my breath.
So many people are interested in this story. I just hope the truth comes out one day but im not holding my breath.
21-10-2008, 09:51 AM
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21-10-2008, 09:57 AM
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The gunman opened the doors to shoot , so they could easily have turned the ignition off if it was left running it would have maybe brought attension to the crime scene earlier.i beleive they died there as well as the blood was in the ground ect & shotgun cartridges were outside the jeep as well..If you look at the photographs you can see all this.
21-10-2008, 10:28 AM
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Bloggs 19 is the best book you can buy. Its 100 times better than Essex Boys, think i burnt the pages reading it so fast, lol. Its always avilable at waterstones or amazon/ebay.
Read, Read, Read, people, read now i say!......
Read, Read, Read, people, read now i say!......
21-10-2008, 10:29 AM
#134
it they were down a country lane though, you might need to put the acclerator down to give you the extra imputus to get moving over some bumps and stuff
i still think it was some little green men who did it, as it's about as sound as any other theories out there
21-10-2008, 03:06 PM
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And to be honest who gives a damn they were all scum and at least they are not clogging up the prison system and ruining peoples lives!
The problem with the uk now is every teenager wants to be a Gangster as they confuse fear with respect and films like this glorify hideous acts
The problem with the uk now is every teenager wants to be a Gangster as they confuse fear with respect and films like this glorify hideous acts
21-10-2008, 03:18 PM
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everyone wants to be "mr breaker, today, it's mr breaker"
i said that ages ago and it's just a culmination of everyone wanting to be harder than someone else and be feared more
but, as these people found out, no matter how big a fish you may think you are, someone is always going to be better/bigger/harder/more fucked up than you
eventually you come across them and they fuck you up
i said that ages ago and it's just a culmination of everyone wanting to be harder than someone else and be feared more
but, as these people found out, no matter how big a fish you may think you are, someone is always going to be better/bigger/harder/more fucked up than you
eventually you come across them and they fuck you up
21-10-2008, 04:56 PM
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The gunman opened the doors to shoot , so they could easily have turned the ignition off if it was left running it would have maybe brought attension to the crime scene earlier.i beleive they died there as well as the blood was in the ground ect & shotgun cartridges were outside the jeep as well..If you look at the photographs you can see all this.
21-10-2008, 07:37 PM
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21-10-2008, 07:52 PM
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I wouldnt like to find out, there is still a lot of that gang around still doing what they do best, and to have just the idea of hassle from it, is not worth it.
I was listening to all the recordings and answering machine messages last night, his mrs called and said hello are you there, give us a call back,we think your dead so there, call me bye. And it was said as if she was arranging to meet a mate for a drink or something really weird shit. Also the times on the answering machine tape and the times the ppl was saying didnt add up, ie they was saying its 1.15 and the tape read it was 3.30 etc. random stuff if you ask me. Also, 8 shots was fired or casings found... where did fuck did the other four shots go? one each for the front two, and the one in the back got one in the side and one in the head? thats 4?
I was listening to all the recordings and answering machine messages last night, his mrs called and said hello are you there, give us a call back,we think your dead so there, call me bye. And it was said as if she was arranging to meet a mate for a drink or something really weird shit. Also the times on the answering machine tape and the times the ppl was saying didnt add up, ie they was saying its 1.15 and the tape read it was 3.30 etc. random stuff if you ask me. Also, 8 shots was fired or casings found... where did fuck did the other four shots go? one each for the front two, and the one in the back got one in the side and one in the head? thats 4?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wv1z84...eature=related
Also, why was the rangerover not iced up? if they was there from the later time of 12 then it would still be iced up on the windowns, bonnet roof etc? so many things dont add up with it, and I think if they reopened the case and did poprer forensics on it, they would find who did it, or at least prove who didnt do it.
Ive often remember going shooting first thing on a saturday morning, and some places will be frozen soild and other parts will just be damp.
2:25min http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YhZkHb...eature=related
Anyway why is everyone trying to "work out" all these little things, because they are all irrelevant. who cares if the car was running or if it was iced up or what ever
What happened, happened. only a few people know exactly who did what.
i wasnt going to comment on this thread, but after silently reading it the last few days, i thought i would, especially as its all fairly local to me and i happened to drive past there today coming back from picking up something.
Nice read tho, much perfer threads like this, rather than the brown nosing and my cars better than yours posts
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21-10-2008, 07:58 PM
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what a great thread,loving some peoples own account of what they think happened,makes you sit back and think of posibilities.as said though only the real culrpits and people involved will know the real truth what went on.rip to those murdered and to the families of those who were imo no matter what shit they got upto
21-10-2008, 08:28 PM
#152
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YhZkHb...eature=related
Nice read tho, much perfer threads like this, rather than the brown nosing and my cars better than yours posts
.Indeed, good link that, cheers
Good reading and watching, the bit on Pat Tate is interesting.
21-10-2008, 09:25 PM
#156
like i said,i have a friend who hangs about with a bloke from thicf and he has been around carlton and the lot doing the tour.its still not a nice scene to be even now,and carlton has straightened his ways since apparently.
the bloke got axed in the head.cant say i blame him.too near death for most peoples liking full stop i'd say
21-10-2008, 09:55 PM
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Dojj, is that the book or the film? I want the book and so far seen it on Amazon for £10 or so. As there's quite a few not sure which to get as I know from experience buying too many books makes a mountain. So far thinking, Bloggs, Carltons Rise of the foot soldier and then one of O'mahoneys books like Essex boys or My gang. Will have a browse in a bit.
And to be honest who gives a damn they were all scum and at least they are not clogging up the prison system and ruining peoples lives!
The problem with the uk now is every teenager wants to be a Gangster as they confuse fear with respect and films like this glorify hideous acts
The problem with the uk now is every teenager wants to be a Gangster as they confuse fear with respect and films like this glorify hideous acts
Good points but from my point of view I find in fascinating not because I want to be a gangster but because it's similar to Kurt Cobain or Dianna in that no one is 100% sure what happened. One of those 'wish you have a video of the event' times.
21-10-2008, 10:51 PM
#159
skeg,im the same mate.it interests me that no one knows other than the dead and the killer/s
book wise its advisable to get essex boys,bonded by blood,both by bernard o'mahoney, rise of the footsoldier by carlton leach and bloggs 19
now in my opinion it is a read and make up YOUR mind thing.some people say rotfs by carlton leach is all bullshit and he didnt know tucker and tate well,and also that the bloggs 19 book written for darren nicholls is full of it too. but tbh as no-one knows,it could all be bullshit.
book wise its advisable to get essex boys,bonded by blood,both by bernard o'mahoney, rise of the footsoldier by carlton leach and bloggs 19
now in my opinion it is a read and make up YOUR mind thing.some people say rotfs by carlton leach is all bullshit and he didnt know tucker and tate well,and also that the bloggs 19 book written for darren nicholls is full of it too. but tbh as no-one knows,it could all be bullshit.
22-10-2008, 07:30 AM
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Dojj, is that the book or the film? I want the book and so far seen it on Amazon for £10 or so. As there's quite a few not sure which to get as I know from experience buying too many books makes a mountain. So far thinking, Bloggs, Carltons Rise of the foot soldier and then one of O'mahoneys books like Essex boys or My gang. Will have a browse in a bit.
dvd for the first 2
the rest are books
they don't list rise as a book, dvd, bluray, cd yes, but no book
