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Old 16-10-2008, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim
IMO i would always use someone with vast amounts of knowledge who does it every day with results that speak for themselves over some one who has limited knowledge in mapping(no offence intented chip),as its always going to move from a quick tweek to can i go faster lol
you do realise they were not born with a laptop in there hands ???
Old 16-10-2008, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sbd16v
you do realise they were not born with a laptop in there hands ???
I nearly was Ive been computer programming for 25 years (including proper control systems not mickey mouse stuff with a dozen inputs and a handful of outputs like an evo), and only tuning engines for 15

Daft thing is, it probably only needs the closed loop point raising slightly so its still in closed loop at slightly higher rpm so its still there on cruise, so probably doesnt actually need any mapping as such anyway, lol
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If its been ecutek'd aint it locked anyway ?
Old 16-10-2008, 03:13 PM
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Dingy, see above:


Originally Posted by Azrael
You can unlock Ecutek maps on Evo (not on Subaru).
Old 16-10-2008, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
I nearly was Ive been computer programming for 25 years (including proper control systems not mickey mouse stuff with a dozen inputs and a handful of outputs like an evo), and only tuning engines for 15

Daft thing is, it probably only needs the closed loop point raising slightly so its still in closed loop at slightly higher rpm so its still there on cruise, so probably doesnt actually need any mapping as such anyway, lol
it will need mapping chip
Old 16-10-2008, 03:18 PM
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i managed to get as lean as 17.5:1 afr before miss firing
so lots of scope for economy tuning
Old 16-10-2008, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim
IMO i would always use someone with vast amounts of knowledge who does it every day with results that speak for themselves over some one who has limited knowledge in mapping(no offence intented chip),as its always going to move from a quick tweek to can i go faster lol
Do people think that adjusting a map on a car is a simple as this post makes its seam????? honest question ??????? i dont care if i had the means to do mine (i could easily afford it) i really want it to be the best it could possibly be, i would pay someone who is a reputable mapper as i do,and the results always speak for themselves.
Each to there own IMO,Looks like people try to save money and have a bash themselves,but if you have spent a few pounds on the hardware why not have it the best it can be.
p.s im not slating the post just answering the question above.
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Yes it is that easy to adjust a map. There are plenty of DIYers on here that are more than capable. Its not the black art you make it out to be.

It might take us a little longer than a pro (a few weeks rather than a day) but we have a good understanding of what we are doing and are perfectly capable of produce nicely drivable and reliable maps.

Where a pro comes in is if you don't want to put many of your own hours in. The pros will have amassed plenty of car and product specific knowledge that means they can turn your car around fast and effeciently every time. You also get a reciept and the legal obligations that comes with that.
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Originally Posted by Tony S Mannock
it will need mapping chip
TBH what I will do is disconnect the lambda sensor and make sure its fuelling right without it if the ECU can accept that without side effects while mapping?

Need to find out a little more about its ins and outs before we actually do it.

Good thing is, simon and his brother have aquired quite a bit of relative consumption data between their two cars (simon's uses a consistant amount more fuel if they both do exactly the same journey EVERY time), so it should be immediately obvious on their first long journey if our changes have helped or hindered his economy
Old 16-10-2008, 03:37 PM
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Will Chip rebuild your engine if he melts it
Old 16-10-2008, 03:52 PM
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If he is only adjusting cruise sites he will have a very hard time trying to melt it!
Old 16-10-2008, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by timrud
Will Chip rebuild your engine if he melts it
i love it when ppl make themselfs look so stupid by not having the first clue what there comenting on
Old 16-10-2008, 05:11 PM
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i would be worried about egt when leaning off fuel maps on these old design engines
wouldn't recommend any leaner than stoic on PT and LL
Old 16-10-2008, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by timrud
Will Chip rebuild your engine if he melts it
Yes, if something I do wrong causes Si B's engine to melt, and it can be proved that is the case, I will rebuild it for free, just like any tuner would in the same circumstance.
Old 16-10-2008, 05:33 PM
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Is Simon normally in front? on journeys to shows etc my brother used to drive behind/slip stream me all the time because he didn't know where he was going most of the time and I always used more petrol than him.

Just a stupid thought
Old 16-10-2008, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Si B
No need to thrash it so much now my track buddy has a dead car

The "remap for better economy" line that Chip was using is a thin disguise for me wanting more power so I can race round with the Dave Sharrocks of this world
hopefully i will be back on track with a car as soon as it all gets sorted out Simon.

pmsl, you will need more than a '' remap for better economy''.

hope you get if running the way you want Simon.
Old 17-10-2008, 12:46 PM
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Chipper -

Only reason I ask is that I have seen James at Nortech map plenty of cars and melt them good and proper. Then he never pays for them

SBD - Are you telling me you can't melt an engine by mapping it wrongly? You fcukin muppet
Old 17-10-2008, 12:54 PM
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You need to be complete moron to melt an Evo. I have seen broken con-rods, heads, det-cracked pistons, but melted piston? No.
Old 17-10-2008, 01:36 PM
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My Evo V has been ecutek'd by Matt at The Racing Line, since having this done 2 years ago its been silky smooth and lovely to drive, noticably better on fuel than it was as standard... however its still not brilliant, on a run im only getting 185miles to a full tank of V-Power.
Old 17-10-2008, 01:39 PM
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Evo V has extremely small tank!
Old 17-10-2008, 01:49 PM
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on evo's you need to be quoting mpg or mpl or kml due to the small and varying tank sizes on the various models
Old 17-10-2008, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by timrud
SBD - Are you telling me you can't melt an engine by mapping it wrongly? You fcukin muppet

dont you dare take me out of context, were not talking about mapping on boost, chip is going to map off bost and get more mpg

do you realise how hard that is to melt an engine at 5 % throttle
Old 17-10-2008, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by timrud
Chipper -

Only reason I ask is that I have seen James at Nortech map plenty of cars and melt them good and proper. Then he never pays for them

SBD - Are you telling me you can't melt an engine by mapping it wrongly? You fcukin muppet
For a reasonably bright chap, you REALLY fucking struggle with just reading basic things dont you?

Given that you are unable to actually read the thread properly yet, it might be best if you dont try and reply to it yet until you can.
Old 17-10-2008, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Evo V has extremely small tank!
Its a 50 litre tank, costs around 55 quid to fill it so its not extremely small imo.
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Originally Posted by Tony S Mannock
on evo's you need to be quoting mpg or mpl or kml due to the small and varying tank sizes on the various models
OK well i average 18mpg, and this doesnt really increase on a run either
Old 17-10-2008, 03:06 PM
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My standard injectors are maxed out and i get 25-30mpg if its not being booted.....down to about 12 if you hammer it.
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I had my standard VII ECU remapped by a friend who has done most of the CT9A's here in Vic. I just bought a boost controller for peace of mind as we upped it slightly.

Send me a message on facebook and will give you his details if it helps, he has produced some very impressive and safe power figures.

The FQ400 rep I just sold was running a Power FC which is a different ball game so had to have that tuned by someone else.

I have the ECUTEK software and you need the cable and Evo Scan from memory to do it. Very interesting stuff and one of the things I love about the CT9A's.

Cheers

Alan
Old 17-10-2008, 08:58 PM
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sib's car is better on fuel than mine

i need to sort another ecu out on my shed
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