Turbo Zetec

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we know they already annhiliate us down the quarter, but they're gaining even more ground now!

Gary and andy's (GAZ'D on here) corsa ran an 11.54 at 128mph on saturday! Thats completely road legal, driven to pod and back! Isn't anyone with a ford even going to try and fight back? It's not impossible! It's just a case of having the right setup, not the most power

spookie

bah, dont fink my fiesta up to that but be worth sreaming threw every gear to find out. is there another one soon???

JonnyBravo

Congratulations to them both, that is a ballistic time from a non turbo car

Well done to Specky too, 11.6 @ 136 mph aint shy on treads either

danneth

my mate did a 12.7 @ 123 in his corsa so hes lagging behind abit then

xr_craig

iTrader: (2)

Thats the issue IMO. People seem much happier to throw money at power and then think of excuses rather than working out how to put the power down better. Admittedly some people look at it but very few and far between and in fairness it's probably to little too late now.

alan12112

Cool times for a non turbo car, infact for anycar!!

How much power does he have then?

How can you get such a good time from a fwd car?

JonnyBravo

I'll take a guess at around 350hp although it may well be nearer to 400hp.

Good driver, usable powerband, well setup nitrous, by far the most consistant car I know of

Turbo Zetec

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the engine was dyno'd a couple of years ago at 233bhp, then there's 190bhp worth of gas on top!

S1rst

Ooooo thats cheating then, very impressive times though!

JonnyBravo

I think it should be made clear that its not getting anywhere near 190hp gains from the nitrous so dont for one minute think its well over 400hp.

Just shows though how well a car can go if setup well.

Lloyd

watch this space.

pa_sjo

The problem from what i've seen with the Ford boys is they spend 2 years talking about big power engines and silly spec cars, then rarely if one of these cars ever hits a drag strip, runs a crappy time, and then the car either a) gets broken/sold or b) gets ripped apart for another major spec change (because the internet said so)..


You only need more power when you can make the best use of what you've already got. That's the key to drag racing.

JonnyBravo

I totally agree with that, I've seen a few Fords with proper potential but as you say they end up getting broken. Gav and I were going to build a KA in a similar fassion to Gaz'd Corsa, St170 engine on tb's with loads of gas, there is no way it would of been slow or owed us a fortune, its all down to how you can drive it and how well everything works together.

Although Specky and Gaz'd has spent a fair bit on their cars they are still miles under most Fords owners budgets which means that the Fords will have to do a LOT better to justify all that money they have spent.

We run a 12.5@120mph in a car that owed us £500 (1k if you include nitrous)

Lloyd, weren't you convinced your Escort was going to run a 10sec pass ? what makes you so confident to think you could match Gaz'd times ? ( genuine question )

Lloyd

100% correct.

Lloyd

Lloyd, weren't you convinced your Escort was going to run a 10sec pass ? what makes you so confident to think you could match Gaz'd times ? ( genuine question )[/quote]

the escos was very capable of a 10 second 1/4,unlike most fords, i had no issues with traction.
on the 3 occasions it was actually timed,the data showed where i was losing time.gear changes. it did 2.3 to 50mph/then 3.99 to 60. and that was without gas.
i stopped developing the escos,because it needed another 2k+spending on it.better intercooler mappable water injection ect,and being made redundant 10 weeks ago meant i couldnt justify spending anymore money on it.
as for fwd,its easy to match the vauxhalls,just make a car that will put the power to the road.and that is what iam going to build.the suspension will not resemble anything ford currently use.

wayneclayden

one of our Vauxhall customers managed this at the weekend

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=xtYSIK8YDIs
he is getting quick too!

Oranoco

Would love a stab at some better times but my financial situation has changed as have my priorities over the last couple of years. I may spend more on the car to get more from it but to be honest I'm quite happy to see other peoples achievements regardless of the marque

JonnyBravo

Well I can't say it wont happen as it might, sadly I do feel the Vauxhalls are really starting to shine and if a Ford can't match them so far they will have no chance by 2009 with what I know of being put together by several people.

I'll keep an eye on your thread and I look forward to hearing some results.

timrud

The terminal speed of 128 equated to more than 400bhp in my book for GAZ'D.

Lloyd

yes iam sure i will be in for lots of abuse developing a new system in public.

timrud

Why develop something in public?

Nothing to gain (unless your an attention seeker or a glory hunter!).

Just keep yourself to yourself then produce the goods.

JonnyBravo

We did a 12.5 @ 121mph, what power would that say we had

I obviously know the answer to that but I'd like to see what your calculations make it

timrud

What revs and gearbox and car?

Also what 60ft?

Luca

iTrader: (2)

A question though.... Is the Redtop a better engine in stock form for a NA package comapred with a zetec.

Not including st170...

timrud

What constitutes better?

Cheaper? Easier to tune? More reliable? More bits available?

JonnyBravo

Green nova, stock F20, stock xe engine, 1.91 60ft


The only Ford engines that do make good power and pinto's, crossflows and duratecs, all those engines appear to do well in their classes.

The St170 is the nearest thing to a xe but once you remove the inlet and fit tb's its only making similar if not less power than a xe specced the same. Duratec is alloy so clearly has a large weight advantage over the ST and Xe engines.

Luca

iTrader: (2)

Better as in Better....

Im pretty sure they have the same parts available for tuning.
Cost would be almost the same i would expect too.

You see many cars running red tops and some running zetecs, i would be interested to see how the two engines compare with regard to how power is delivered and capabilties or weaknesses.

IMO the reason FWD fords dont do as well as Vauxhalls is nobody bothers to look at geometry and set up. Its the lets put a 300hp engine in and do nothing else.

JonnyBravo

How many old Fords do you see with big power Zetecs in ? I think that answers your question to what is the better engine.

The Duratec and now the S2000 engine are by far a better engine for the rwd rally boys though

JonnyBravo

To be fair, short of the smallest alterations you can make and setting the tracking I don't know anyone with a vauxhall that properly sets up their Geometry, clearly if someone does put the time and effort in that area then the times should improve

Luca

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Exactly, even that green mk2 pro drift Escort runs a Redtop I believe.

JonnyBravo

The purists hate it but essentially it is by far one of the best engines out there

dunketh

Its depressing how much quicker the vauxhalls are.
One can only assume that whilst the rest of us are shagging the misses, drinking, having a life etc.. these folk sit in their garages playing with their cars until the wee small hours.

Yes that is a dig at fast vx owners. Bitter? You betcha!

Its not even a money thing. I've seen 'budget' VWs and Vauxhalls running times that'd shame some really big Ford spenders.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

The corsa that runs 11.5 has had under 10K spent on it I reckon, and that includes multiple builds etc, you could build it as it stands now for 6K probably.

Its the same one that won fwd shootout at TOTB 3 years ago for anyone who remembers it.

its on STANDARD suspension geometry as far as im aware

Luca

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Would you agree however, that alot more people in the Vauxhall and Volkswagon world are into FWD and 1/4mile sprint cars etc.
Fords owners seem more inclined to have a fast road car rather than spend the time into perfecting a great drag strip car.

JonnyBravo

I think its the fact that Vauxhall and Volkswagen don't offer a good rwd or 4wd car so were not left with much option

Well there is the Monaro but I think we can agree its a bit of out of most peoples price range to buy let alone modify

pa_sjo

To be honest, not many Ford people have gone out of their way to build performing drag cars. The few that have, have performed. There have been several 12 second fwd Fords, yet they tend to get forgotten about as people tend to only pay attention to the 'big boys', who funnily-enough don't run good times

Chip

iTrader: (3)

I agree with Johhny, if you are into fords and want to go quick, most people have the sense to upgrade from a silly little boys fiesta to a nice manly escort cosworth, then spunk the money on that.
In the vauxhall world, we dont really have the same options as the only 4wd car is the calibra/cavalier, and its got some inherent issues holding it back and is of a value that doesnt justify the sort of spend people do on an escos or 3 door etc.

JonnyBravo

I follow Tims progress, the NMS lot have got some fast fwd cars, especially as they are still on cvh's. Marcs Fezzy was quick too but I think the issue of a CVH not being upto the job of competeing against the Vauxhalls is clear enough

Anytime I'm at the pod and see a fwd Ford I hope it will do something special, sadly 95% of the time they struggle to run a 14

XRT_si

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Watch this space! Taking inspiration from the green £500 Nova, me and a mate (Clarke off here)have started a project to do something very similar, on a similar budget.

Aim to keep below a grand and run a 11.99.
It will be a Zetec Turbo Mk2 Fiesta. A thread will be started very soon as we have most of the bits now.

Just want to see what can be done for the money and have some fun, and finally prove the ford boys can put a decent FWD drag car together.

alan12112

Sadly I fall into that bracket, but give me time, some better tyres, a little more power and some lesss weight should see me in the 13's and i'd be happy with that as it's a road car not a drag car!

Currently runs 14.5 dead on 16's with road tyres (and alot of wheelspin in 2nd), some 17" lightweight wheels and r888's are my future plans

*crosses fingers*