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26-08-2008, 06:05 PM
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Shame Garry 
I remember being told years back that they were made using sub standard steel and to avoid!
How bad is it, the dammage? Whats happened and at what kind of boost, power RPM etc?
Were things lookin promising? You were on pretty high compression too werent you? 9.something any thoughts of lowering it?
What next? Pauter, Arrows, Crower?
Loads of questions there, once again sorry to read this, keep your chin up mate.
I remember being told years back that they were made using sub standard steel and to avoid!
How bad is it, the dammage? Whats happened and at what kind of boost, power RPM etc?
Were things lookin promising? You were on pretty high compression too werent you? 9.something any thoughts of lowering it?
What next? Pauter, Arrows, Crower?
Loads of questions there, once again sorry to read this, keep your chin up mate.
26-08-2008, 06:06 PM
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26-08-2008, 06:11 PM
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Shame Garry
I remember being told years back that they were made using sub standard steel and to avoid!
How bad is it, the dammage? Whats happened and at what kind of boost, power RPM etc?
Were things lookin promising? You were on pretty high compression too werent you? 9.something any thoughts of lowering it?
What next? Pauter, Arrows, Crower?
Loads of questions there, once again sorry to read this, keep your chin up mate.
I remember being told years back that they were made using sub standard steel and to avoid!
How bad is it, the dammage? Whats happened and at what kind of boost, power RPM etc?
Were things lookin promising? You were on pretty high compression too werent you? 9.something any thoughts of lowering it?
What next? Pauter, Arrows, Crower?
Loads of questions there, once again sorry to read this, keep your chin up mate.
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26-08-2008, 06:18 PM
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a few people told me about them but thought id take a chance on them for what they cost!! the big end bearings have spun damaging the rods, pump and crank are also dead. was only @6500 rpm and 9psi just over 220@the wheels they were just getting ready to double the boost when it happend. cosworth rods going in it now and the comp will stay the same high 9s
26-08-2008, 06:28 PM
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26-08-2008, 06:29 PM
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26-08-2008, 06:37 PM
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yes but the cut out on the bearings ,clamped between the rod and cap , hold the bearing in place. the bearings float on the oil pressure,so there shouldnt be the ammount of pressure needed to spin the bearings.? or have i misunderstood the problem?
26-08-2008, 06:38 PM
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26-08-2008, 06:40 PM
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to be honest i dont fully understand it myself ,im just saying what ive been told and that was that the rods are crap
26-08-2008, 06:42 PM
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Could it not be oil pump failure that caused a drop in oil pressure meaning the big end bearing picked up on the crank and span? I'm sure you said your pump failed in another thread...
26-08-2008, 06:44 PM
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have you got it all in bits then? can you get some pics up? checked all the oil ways?were the rod bolts stil tight? think theres more to it than rods
26-08-2008, 06:47 PM
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i did but that was just a guess ,they thought it was a pump failure because it suddenly went tight on the rollers the engine was only stripped today
26-08-2008, 06:49 PM
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26-08-2008, 06:56 PM
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26-08-2008, 07:14 PM
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the way i see it, it's the pump thats at fault and that shuold be guarenteed for 12 months so surly the pump suppliers are going to have to cough up a certain amount as they sold a defective product that has caused this catostrophic failure and should as a business have some type of insurance incase this happens, no different from your plumber who has have public liability incase they fit a clip and that fails when he goes home at night and floods the house then he is responsible
26-08-2008, 07:35 PM
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I have seen chinese copy rods that are virtually identical that have poor tolerances. I've also seen early eagle zetec rods that had less thread engagement than standard zetec rods and with a narrower shank. Either which way, every single spun bearing i've encountered has been caused by oil starvation.
26-08-2008, 08:02 PM
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I have seen chinese copy rods that are virtually identical that have poor tolerances. I've also seen early eagle zetec rods that had less thread engagement than standard zetec rods and with a narrower shank. Either which way, every single spun bearing i've encountered has been caused by oil starvation.
i would have to agree with this,cant see it being the rods at fault.
26-08-2008, 08:03 PM
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So you are a total idiot who doesnt know how to check the clearances on your big ends to make sure you have an appropriate amount of bearing squish, and now eagle rods are shit?
Or is it that you suffered an oil pressure problem because you didnt use a genuine pump? And as a result you killed the rods, just like you have done a cossie set, as the bearings ran dry.
Or is it that you left swarf in the engine when building it, and that jammed up a decent pump relief valve?
Im positive its you that is a cluelss idiot and are just blaming eagle rods cause you dont understand what really happened, im just not sure yet on which reason they actually failed.
The one thing I am utterly POSITIVE of though, is that it was NOT the rods that caused that failure, utterly no chance at all with how you have described it, its more likely that elvis vandalised it than that those rods themselves were at fault IMHO!
Or is it that you suffered an oil pressure problem because you didnt use a genuine pump? And as a result you killed the rods, just like you have done a cossie set, as the bearings ran dry.
Or is it that you left swarf in the engine when building it, and that jammed up a decent pump relief valve?
Im positive its you that is a cluelss idiot and are just blaming eagle rods cause you dont understand what really happened, im just not sure yet on which reason they actually failed.
The one thing I am utterly POSITIVE of though, is that it was NOT the rods that caused that failure, utterly no chance at all with how you have described it, its more likely that elvis vandalised it than that those rods themselves were at fault IMHO!
26-08-2008, 08:04 PM
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All rod/bearing/crank journal fits should be checked by the person building the engine.
If it was the right size going together, it would still be the right size, rods do NOT just suddenly change in terms of diameter of the big ends, even shite ones.
26-08-2008, 08:05 PM
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the way i see it, it's the pump thats at fault and that shuold be guarenteed for 12 months so surly the pump suppliers are going to have to cough up a certain amount as they sold a defective product that has caused this catostrophic failure and should as a business have some type of insurance incase this happens, no different from your plumber who has have public liability incase they fit a clip and that fails when he goes home at night and floods the house then he is responsible
26-08-2008, 08:10 PM
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Well apparently, MD Cos has conclusive proof that they killed this fella's engine by running it on the rollers there!
He'll be posting it up soon and we are all going to be shocked at the terrible things that Jamsport did with the car!!!!!
Well either that or he is talking utter bollocks and just randomly trying to hint at things without a clue what he is on about, which IMHO is what will be the case, as my own dealings with Jamsport have always been favourable and I really dont believe they somehow jammed this poor cunt's oil relief valve open, so fuck knows why some twat is trying to imply they did
He'll be posting it up soon and we are all going to be shocked at the terrible things that Jamsport did with the car!!!!!
Well either that or he is talking utter bollocks and just randomly trying to hint at things without a clue what he is on about, which IMHO is what will be the case, as my own dealings with Jamsport have always been favourable and I really dont believe they somehow jammed this poor cunt's oil relief valve open, so fuck knows why some twat is trying to imply they did
26-08-2008, 08:13 PM
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So you are a total idiot who doesnt know how to check the clearances on your big ends to make sure you have an appropriate amount of bearing squish, and now eagle rods are shit?
Or is it that you suffered an oil pressure problem because you didnt use a genuine pump? And as a result you killed the rods, just like you have done a cossie set, as the bearings ran dry.
Or is it that you left swarf in the engine when building it, and that jammed up a decent pump relief valve?
Im positive its you that is a cluelss idiot and are just blaming eagle rods cause you dont understand what really happened, im just not sure yet on which reason they actually failed.
The one thing I am utterly POSITIVE of though, is that it was NOT the rods that caused that failure, utterly no chance at all with how you have described it, its more likely that elvis vandalised it than that those rods themselves were at fault IMHO!
Or is it that you suffered an oil pressure problem because you didnt use a genuine pump? And as a result you killed the rods, just like you have done a cossie set, as the bearings ran dry.
Or is it that you left swarf in the engine when building it, and that jammed up a decent pump relief valve?
Im positive its you that is a cluelss idiot and are just blaming eagle rods cause you dont understand what really happened, im just not sure yet on which reason they actually failed.
The one thing I am utterly POSITIVE of though, is that it was NOT the rods that caused that failure, utterly no chance at all with how you have described it, its more likely that elvis vandalised it than that those rods themselves were at fault IMHO!
26-08-2008, 08:17 PM
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Well apparently, MD Cos has conclusive proof that they killed this fella's engine by running it on the rollers there!
He'll be posting it up soon and we are all going to be shocked at the terrible things that Jamsport did with the car!!!!!
Well either that or he is talking utter bollocks and just randomly trying to hint at things without a clue what he is on about, which IMHO is what will be the case, as my own dealings with Jamsport have always been favourable and I really dont believe they somehow jammed this poor cunt's oil relief valve open, so fuck knows why some twat is trying to imply they did
He'll be posting it up soon and we are all going to be shocked at the terrible things that Jamsport did with the car!!!!!
Well either that or he is talking utter bollocks and just randomly trying to hint at things without a clue what he is on about, which IMHO is what will be the case, as my own dealings with Jamsport have always been favourable and I really dont believe they somehow jammed this poor cunt's oil relief valve open, so fuck knows why some twat is trying to imply they did
26-08-2008, 08:18 PM
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Well apparently, MD Cos has conclusive proof that they killed this fella's engine by running it on the rollers there!
He'll be posting it up soon and we are all going to be shocked at the terrible things that Jamsport did with the car!!!!!
Well either that or he is talking utter bollocks and just randomly trying to hint at things without a clue what he is on about, which IMHO is what will be the case, as my own dealings with Jamsport have always been favourable and I really dont believe they somehow jammed this poor cunt's oil relief valve open, so fuck knows why some twat is trying to imply they did
He'll be posting it up soon and we are all going to be shocked at the terrible things that Jamsport did with the car!!!!!
Well either that or he is talking utter bollocks and just randomly trying to hint at things without a clue what he is on about, which IMHO is what will be the case, as my own dealings with Jamsport have always been favourable and I really dont believe they somehow jammed this poor cunt's oil relief valve open, so fuck knows why some twat is trying to imply they did
weren't you just implying that idiots built it?