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Old 26-08-2008, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Well apparently, MD Cos has conclusive proof that they killed this fella's engine by running it on the rollers there!

He'll be posting it up soon and we are all going to be shocked at the terrible things that Jamsport did with the car!!!!!

Well either that or he is talking utter bollocks and just randomly trying to hint at things without a clue what he is on about, which IMHO is what will be the case, as my own dealings with Jamsport have always been favourable and I really dont believe they somehow jammed this poor cunt's oil relief valve open, so fuck knows why some twat is trying to imply they did
Sorry Chip but that last part of your comment is utter shit, is he slagging Jamsport off? No.

Seems to me from what he is saying is that he's pissed off due to his engine having troubles, the big ends have spun and he blames the rods.

God next thing it will be Jamsport make Jam for Robinsons
Old 26-08-2008, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
So you are a total idiot who doesnt know how to check the clearances on your big ends to make sure you have an appropriate amount of bearing squish, and now eagle rods are shit?

Or is it that you suffered an oil pressure problem because you didnt use a genuine pump? And as a result you killed the rods, just like you have done a cossie set, as the bearings ran dry.

Or is it that you left swarf in the engine when building it, and that jammed up a decent pump relief valve?


Im positive its you that is a cluelss idiot and are just blaming eagle rods cause you dont understand what really happened, im just not sure yet on which reason they actually failed.

The one thing I am utterly POSITIVE of though, is that it was NOT the rods that caused that failure, utterly no chance at all with how you have described it, its more likely that elvis vandalised it than that those rods themselves were at fault IMHO!
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Old 26-08-2008, 08:22 PM
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Old 26-08-2008, 08:23 PM
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i dont no where everyone is getting me blaming jamie for this ?if i was i wouldnt be spending Ł2650 with them to put it right .
Old 26-08-2008, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MD Cos
weren't you just implying that idiots built it?
I was saying that is one possibility.

another is the use of a pattern oil pump, ive seen this failure happen on countless engines where people on a budget have used cheap parts. (or cosworth ones of course with the recent batch of dodgy pumps)

Was it jamsport who built and installed this engine then and initially started it (another failure that is common is people not properly priming the oil pump), or just their rollers it was run on?



What I was saying is that there are LOTS of possible valid guesses you could make at the reason for failure, but the rods are NOT to blame IMHO, thats literally the last thing I would be pointing the finger at for the described failure, just after I blamed the left rear indicator lens.

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Old 26-08-2008, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
I was saying that is one possibility.

another is the use of a pattern oil pump, ive seen this failure happen on countless engines where people on a budget have used cheap parts. (or cosworth ones of course with the recent batch of dodgy pumps)

Was it jamsport who built and installed this engine then and initially started it (another failure that is common is people not properly priming the oil pump), or just their rollers it was run on?



What I was saying is that there are LOTS of possible valid guesses you could make at the reason for failure, but the rods are NOT to blame IMHO, thats literally the last thing I would be pointing the finger at for the described failure, just after I blamed the left rear indicator lens.
they built it i fitted it and it was a gen ford pump and there is no way it was jams fault BUT its still my opinion that they are cheap rods hence im not using them this time round jamie is putting coswoth ones in it, and i never said it was the rods fault i said a bearing spun and damaged the rods .
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Originally Posted by crazycage
i dont no where everyone is getting me blaming jamie for this ?if i was i wouldnt be spending Ł2650 with them to put it right .
I think people are jumping on the bandwagon....... ie chip....
Old 26-08-2008, 08:31 PM
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i have no problem with jamsport at all chip, others i have spoken to do or have, but isn't it all the same in the car game?

i agree with you on the rods though, that would be one of the least likely reasons for failure of the engine.
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Originally Posted by wirralphil
I think people are jumping on the bandwagon....... ie chip....
What bandwagon am I jumping on?

I read his post, I gave my opinion, no bandwagon involved, in fact I hadnt even read anyone else's reply before I made my initial post, I did that afterwards and then replied to those posts as I got to them.

Im not even vaguely the bandwagon jumping type, I just call things as I see them, and IMHO it is NOT the rods at fault here, so I fail to see why there is a thread slagging the rods off!
Old 26-08-2008, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MD Cos
i have no problem with jamsport at all chip, others i have spoken to do or have, but isn't it all the same in the car game?

i agree with you on the rods though, that would be one of the least likely reasons for failure of the engine.

Apologies then mate, I misinterpreted your reply obviously, sounded to me like you were slagging them off for killing it on the rollers.
Old 26-08-2008, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by crazycage
they built it i fitted it and it was a gen ford pump and there is no way it was jams fault BUT its still my opinion that they are cheap rods hence im not using them this time round jamie is putting coswoth ones in it, and i never said it was the rods fault i said a bearing spun and damaged the rods .
Did you make sure you had oil pressure proeply before you fired it up?

(why do I already know what answer im going to get to this wether you actually did or not )
Old 26-08-2008, 08:35 PM
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you said:

Originally Posted by crazycage
eagle rods are pish ,just my personal opinion of them . there cheap for a reason .
Then you said the reason for the failure was:
Originally Posted by crazycage
because the bearing is held in place by the rod .
then you said

Originally Posted by crazycage
and i never said it was the rods fault i said a bearing spun and damaged the rods .
errr, ok then

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Old 26-08-2008, 08:38 PM
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can we get over the fact now it wasn't the rod that caused the failure it was the genuine oil pump and due to what the rod did when oil pressure was lost that he is saying that the rods are not the best for the job and is no way blaming jamie it was just one of those freak things and the engine has been run in for 1500 miles before this happened on rollers so that everything should of been bed in nicely before the power was introduced
Old 26-08-2008, 08:39 PM
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Im pretty sure EVERYONE except the thread starter is well aware the rods were a victim of another problem NOT the cause of anything.
Old 26-08-2008, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Did you make sure you had oil pressure proeply before you fired it up?

(why do I already know what answer im going to get to this wether you actually did or not )
yes and this wasnt the cars first time on the rollers .and were does it say it was the rods fault i said they are cheap pish because i was told they are and poorly engineered
Old 26-08-2008, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by crazycage
to be honest i dont fully understand it myself ,im just saying what ive been told and that was that the rods are crap
so jamsport built the engine with crap rods?why would they do that?
might be a good time to edit the post title.
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Originally Posted by crazycage
yes and this wasnt the cars first time on the rollers .and were does it say it was the rods fault i said they are cheap pish because i was told they are and poorly engineered
The WHOLE THREAD is about you slagging off the rods, and implying they are someway to blame for your engine's failure.

If you dont intend it to be that way, you need to learn to write english better
Old 26-08-2008, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lloyd
so jamsport built the engine with crap rods?why would they do that?
might be a good time to edit the post title.
Reading this thread and trying to get the facts, makes fetching the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow look like a piece of cake
Old 26-08-2008, 08:50 PM
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Old 26-08-2008, 08:50 PM
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was the crank re-ground during the rebuild do you know
Old 26-08-2008, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lloyd
so jamsport built the engine with crap rods?why would they do that?
might be a good time to edit the post title.
i bought the rods and pistons from the states and gave them the head and block they bored it ect ect
Old 26-08-2008, 08:51 PM
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Who pissed chip off tonight

Back to the topic, I have not heard a bad thing abouyt eagle. They are cheap as they are for a popular engine and made in US as far as I know, the same as JE pistons.

What bearings did the engine have in it?
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Originally Posted by glancy2081
was the crank re-ground during the rebuild do you know
polished it didnt need a grind.
Old 26-08-2008, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by crazycage
polished it didnt need a grind.
so that rules out the crank being ground to wrong size,most likely oil related issue,pump failure etc
Old 26-08-2008, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by richard_syko
Who pissed chip off tonight

Back to the topic, I have not heard a bad thing abouyt eagle. They are cheap as they are for a popular engine and made in US as far as I know, the same as JE pistons.

What bearings did the engine have in it?
looks like i did but i dont give a shit, i said in my opinion obviously im not aloud to have one. i said they were pish because jamie said they are cheap made rods from china and didn't recommend i use them in the new build. and the bearings were copper lead ones
Old 26-08-2008, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by glancy2081
so that rules out the crank being ground to wrong size,most likely oil related issue,pump failure etc
i would of thought so since i said the pressure relief valve jammed open
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Originally Posted by crazycage
looks like i did but i dont give a shit, i said in my opinion obviously im not aloud to have one. i said they were pish because jamie said they are cheap made rods from china and didn't recommend i use them in the new build. and the bearings were copper lead ones
Im not pissed off, just trying to inject a dose of reality into your random outburst about the rods.

For what its worth, I personally wouldnt use them in an expensive engine either, hence ive got arrows in my engine, but they had NOTHING to do with whats happened here so I thought it was gay you implying they did.
Old 26-08-2008, 09:04 PM
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how long was it on the rollers before it let go?
Old 26-08-2008, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Im not pissed off, just trying to inject a dose of reality into your random outburst about the rods.

For what its worth, I personally wouldnt use them in an expensive engine either, hence ive got arrows in my engine, but they had NOTHING to do with whats happened here so I thought it was gay you implying they did.
your still not getting it are you? ive said why i dont like them so i dont see why im implying they caused whats happend?
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so are tomei rods crap too?

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/74699-my-...agle-rods.html

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Originally Posted by pee vee
how long was it on the rollers before it let go?
about 2.5hrs this time and the same the last time
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Originally Posted by crazycage
your still not getting it are you? ive said why i dont like them so i dont see why im implying they caused whats happend?
Ive already quoted above where you implied that, if you cant remember it, scroll up and re read it, or if you really want I can copy and paste it into a new reply for you?
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Originally Posted by MD Cos
how the hell would i no, i only said what my engine tuner told me.
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Originally Posted by crazycage
about 2.5hrs this time and the same the last time
So this is the second time its failed?
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Originally Posted by crazycage
your still not getting it are you? ive said why i dont like them so i dont see why im implying they caused whats happend?

you sir, are a fucking retard


so you're not implying that they caused the destruction of your engine, but you are saying that you hate them and will never use them again because somebody told you they were shit? all because you're having oil pump issues?

basically you're slagging them off for absolutely NO reason at all then?
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Originally Posted by pa_sjo
So this is the second time its failed?
no.
Old 26-08-2008, 09:15 PM
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Fuckin ell and i thought i was havin problems with my engine
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you sir, are a fucking retard
!!!!!!gettin bit out of hand calling him that!!!!
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this is true... i apologise.
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Originally Posted by rst-g
you sir, are a fucking retard
!!!!!!gettin bit out of hand calling him that!!!!
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