WRC Back ends
26-08-2008, 10:34 PM
#41
yes, the rear turrets would be cut out and news ones made wider and to run conetric top mounts aswell
its just the beam im concerned about as i would like to run a std fuel tank lol
im in no rush building my car now and would like to try some new ideas out hence why im interested in this set up
id also like to know about the front concentric top mounts and what would be need to do this
its just the beam im concerned about as i would like to run a std fuel tank lol
im in no rush building my car now and would like to try some new ideas out hence why im interested in this set up
id also like to know about the front concentric top mounts and what would be need to do this
26-08-2008, 10:34 PM
#42
Surely if the WRC setup is out of your reach, the best bet (well, i expect its still far from cheap, but still) is to graft a 200SX rear end on to a Sierra?
Then you got a similar setup, fully multilink, and as long as you do it with the off the shelf aftermarket arms, its all rose jointed and has fully adjustable camber, toe, track, etc etc
Then you got a similar setup, fully multilink, and as long as you do it with the off the shelf aftermarket arms, its all rose jointed and has fully adjustable camber, toe, track, etc etc
Potentially using the right mix of aftermarket 200sx bits, im sure it would be lighter too.
The 200sx is also a pukka double wishbone setup not a Mac Strut arrangement.
The WRC stuff is amazingly strong, and the ultimate for rallying like Mark says im sure, but for a trackday car there is a hell of a lot more unsprung weight than there needs to be.
RX7 rear subframe would be an awesome choice too, fully self contained with all the mounts for the double wishbones on it etc
26-08-2008, 10:36 PM
#43
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200sx or similar woud be a nice simple solution.....
26-08-2008, 10:36 PM
#44
Pics of the turrets installed in the shell, I dont have any good ones of the fixings in the shell, but basically the are plated bosses weled into the shell at the 6 mounting points....
The dimensions on the drawing are as per the Esc WRC...I took the measurements some time ago and didn't have much time today.....
bloody hell Ian - old pics or what
still my favourite car
26-08-2008, 10:37 PM
#45
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Potentially using the right mix of aftermarket 200sx bits, im sure it would be lighter too.
The 200sx is also a pukka double wishbone setup not a Mac Strut arrangement.
The WRC stuff is amazingly strong, and the ultimate for rallying like Mark says im sure, but for a trackday car there is a hell of a lot more unsprung weight than there needs to be.
RX7 rear subframe would be an awesome choice too, fully self contained with all the mounts for the double wishbones on it etc
The 200sx is also a pukka double wishbone setup not a Mac Strut arrangement.
The WRC stuff is amazingly strong, and the ultimate for rallying like Mark says im sure, but for a trackday car there is a hell of a lot more unsprung weight than there needs to be.
RX7 rear subframe would be an awesome choice too, fully self contained with all the mounts for the double wishbones on it etc
Here the pics I added after you quoted...
As in (for want of a clearer pic...)
26-08-2008, 10:38 PM
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Original cars used Dynamics, the later ones used reiger....only 2 - 3 used proflex....the suspension off my car came from MLP and was for a car they built for Gregoire de Mevius.....I chose proflex as Gordon & Steve are only 20 miles away lol
200sx or similar woud be a nice simple solution.....
200sx or similar woud be a nice simple solution.....
26-08-2008, 10:38 PM
#47
Potentially using the right mix of aftermarket 200sx bits, im sure it would be lighter too.
The 200sx is also a pukka double wishbone setup not a Mac Strut arrangement.
The WRC stuff is amazingly strong, and the ultimate for rallying like Mark says im sure, but for a trackday car there is a hell of a lot more unsprung weight than there needs to be.
RX7 rear subframe would be an awesome choice too, fully self contained with all the mounts for the double wishbones on it etc
The 200sx is also a pukka double wishbone setup not a Mac Strut arrangement.
The WRC stuff is amazingly strong, and the ultimate for rallying like Mark says im sure, but for a trackday car there is a hell of a lot more unsprung weight than there needs to be.
RX7 rear subframe would be an awesome choice too, fully self contained with all the mounts for the double wishbones on it etc
26-08-2008, 10:40 PM
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when brom from zoo was offering these as an arangement he used a self made steel hub that i have pics of but the way he made them can also be inproved on as said the rear would have to be made taller but as you need to do quite extensive work the the mounts its not much ectra work to make them tall
26-08-2008, 10:41 PM
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when brom from zoo was offering these as an arangement he used a self made steel hub that i have pics of but the way he made them can also be inproved on as said the rear would have to be made taller but as you need to do quite extensive work the the mounts its not much ectra work to make them tall
that system looked nice, but had a lot of flaws with regards to suspension geometry changes.
26-08-2008, 10:41 PM
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have you used the gear cut on the road ? i bet its fooking great.
26-08-2008, 10:44 PM
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you can get round alot of machining cost also by changing the look of the finnished pice but making sure the major parts like placing of points is exactly the same
26-08-2008, 10:47 PM
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Stav, good pictures, shows it very nicely there.
Once ive got my 1UZ calibra up and running (its a race between me and the london olympics as to which will finnish first, lol) im going to look at going over to one of the jap setups, probably the 200sx setup simply cause its so readily available for peanuts and so well serviced for aftermarket bits.
Will also use the LSD at the same time.
Thats the real pain, to get it up and running on the calibra backend means needing a prop made to take the cally diff, then another one when I swap the backend over later on, but I know if I start doing too many things at once it just wont ever see the road, ive learnt from the past to make my projects bite sized as much as possible to keep me interested, lol
Once ive got my 1UZ calibra up and running (its a race between me and the london olympics as to which will finnish first, lol) im going to look at going over to one of the jap setups, probably the 200sx setup simply cause its so readily available for peanuts and so well serviced for aftermarket bits.
Will also use the LSD at the same time.
Thats the real pain, to get it up and running on the calibra backend means needing a prop made to take the cally diff, then another one when I swap the backend over later on, but I know if I start doing too many things at once it just wont ever see the road, ive learnt from the past to make my projects bite sized as much as possible to keep me interested, lol
26-08-2008, 10:48 PM
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thing is, doubt anyone on here barring you serious rally guys will be going rallying, and never seen anyone bust one of them hubs in even the hardest road/track use, so for most these folk who want something other than crappy semi-trailing arms, it may (fook know whats itd cost to swap over) be the wisest option.
26-08-2008, 10:51 PM
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the only reason m making my own is ease beleve it or not as i recon it would be just as easy to start from scratch as its going in a pickup and as far as im awere it aint been done before so i have nothing to go on and as i plan on using it for track days it needs to be adjustable to make it drive how it needs to
26-08-2008, 10:52 PM
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the only reason m making my own is ease beleve it or not as i recon it would be just as easy to start from scratch as its going in a pickup and as far as im awere it aint been done before so i have nothing to go on and as i plan on using it for track days it needs to be adjustable to make it drive how it needs to
26-08-2008, 10:53 PM
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thing is, doubt anyone on here barring you serious rally guys will be going rallying, and never seen anyone bust one of them hubs in even the hardest road/track use, so for most these folk who want something other than crappy semi-trailing arms, it may (fook know whats itd cost to swap over) be the wisest option.
26-08-2008, 10:55 PM
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it may not be so simple mate as the depth of the rear chassis rails could be a problem as it was ment to hold 1 ton in waight it is over a foot thick so if the beem or arms wont fit between the rails and have room for articulation its prety much fucked lol
26-08-2008, 10:56 PM
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that just it, it wasnt done though, the problems that needed to be overcome cost lots of money.
but i full agree if you need a one of for your own motor go for it
they dont break, they bend over time, having spent + 12 years working for Nissan (dont anymore-gave in when they stared selling french crap!) i have seen shall we just say one of two
26-08-2008, 10:59 PM
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BBSPolo- This is a very small pic, but IIRC this is how FD RX7 rear ends are (obv this one has all the adjustable arms fitted)
Cool, im presuming thats S15 Silvia, which is basically what I posted up pics of on the earlier posts. The orange stuff
S14 and S13 200SX is essentially identical.
Skyline and 300ZX rears are very close too.
S14 and S13 200SX is essentially identical.
Skyline and 300ZX rears are very close too.
26-08-2008, 11:03 PM
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i dont think that has even got a chance of fitting in the gap lol if i cant make the truck do what i want to do with the chassis its got it will be getting space framed as i wont give in with making a track truck
27-08-2008, 01:40 AM
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new wrc type hubs! doesnt list a price though!
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3Doff%26sa%3DN
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3Doff%26sa%3DN
27-08-2008, 05:29 AM
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new wrc type hubs! doesnt list a price though!
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3Doff%26sa%3DN
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3Doff%26sa%3DN
these are not wrc hubs though,totally different and would not fit an escort wrc with out a lot of changes and drastically reducing the cars value!!
just like his focus wrc wheels he is selling,are nothing like focus wrc wheels and would never fit,i pointed all this out to this bloke about 18 months ago,yet he is still saying the same crap.
27-08-2008, 05:30 AM
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27-08-2008, 07:17 AM
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Job lot may be on the cards, I think i'm doing one for a Bravo, and one for a Mk3 Fiesta so far!!
And hubs would be modded fronts like Andy G, or CNC if i can get some drawn up.
27-08-2008, 08:12 AM
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I was going to do something like this, but I have too much other stuff on at the moment so I'll throw this out there......
My take on it is that if you source a suitable hub, all you need is a frame under the diff to bolt the tie bars onto.
SO, why not use the existing mounting points on the standard beam?? Box in the diff with a frame using the diff mount and the inner trailing arm pick ups.
You can then use the outer pick ups for the front/rear control tie bars - simple. No need for mad space frames bolted all under the car.
Get what I mean???
My take on it is that if you source a suitable hub, all you need is a frame under the diff to bolt the tie bars onto.
SO, why not use the existing mounting points on the standard beam?? Box in the diff with a frame using the diff mount and the inner trailing arm pick ups.
You can then use the outer pick ups for the front/rear control tie bars - simple. No need for mad space frames bolted all under the car.
Get what I mean???