Staffi

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Right folks, need advice on this, as you know Martin aka (BUD-WEIS) had the Zoo beam fiited to the saff, now i've had it laser Aligned twice now and it's still slightly twitchy/wandering at high speeds.. doesn't give you alot of confidence in pushing the car..

My question is to you, is it the natural nature of an uprated beam to do this NO matter how it's aligned/setup?? it's just that my old 3dr on standard beam never budged..

Lastly, as you know the car rarely gets tracked, WOULD you of fitted a beam of this kind for road use, or left the standard item??

Any advice welcome...Pete..

Mark Shead

Pete

A correctly set up beam makes the car a pleasure to drive, Let me check it when your down next. Did they give you the spec's they set it to as this could be the problem.

Mark

mechanic28

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i am thinking about geeting a beam fitted on mine!as zoo are longer i take it bajoo is the next best one?will be interested to see if people think it is worth while on a raod going cossie?

Richie.

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No probs with my beam either Pete

As Mark says, what did they set it to ? They would of given you a print out with the standard vs your settings

Mark Shead

Get a Ahmed one this will be the best mod apart from brakes and of corse 800+hp you will ever do to a cossie.

Mark

Richie.

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Agreed Best mod i've done bar the APs

And i'm sure you can supply the 800bhp eh Mark

Richie.

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Only 800bhp Dave

peteh

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How does yours feel, as you have a Danny B one don't you?

mechanic28

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fair enough!so who can fit these!and do a resto on the underneath of my car!i know rainbird can fit etc!but not sure if he can do resto work?

peteh

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I meant B9KOS mate! lol

bud-weis

I personally think it might be the Quaife Diff making it a bit twitchy too.

If it helps put your mind at rest, the old standard beam had the same characteristics...the Zoo beam just improved cornering etc. As above though i reckon the diff might be the 'problem'. It'd be easy enough to sell on and get a gripper or summat else though.

Charlie Chalk

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After seeing some Zoo beams, I wouldnt go near one.

Adrenaline or Ahmed for me

Staffi

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Mark,

Yes mate, i've got all the adjustment print outs with it, i'll bring them down when i come over in a couple of weeks see what you think..

Staffi

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Hi mate,

Would a diff have so much influence on it then??

Staffi

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Mark,

Here's the settings now, but for some reason stills feels it's wandering, remember how it felt when you mapped it?? we commented on it then..








Edited to say, unless i'm SO used to how the Evos drove.....

Nash

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Pete what condition are the main beam bush's in? When mine were tired the car would move around alot at high speed.

Staffi

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Nash,

They're fine mate, i thought the same but they're ok..

It happens about 110mph upwards, almost feels as someone is grabbing the wheel....

Nash

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hmmmm, weird if it was the diff as your in a straight line so it shouldnt effect anything.

NEIL A

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Staffi does it feel worse with the new wheels on , bigger wheels and wider offst will make it tramline more.

Staffi

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My thoughts too, never even crossed my mind it could be diff related, i swear it's the beam and may need someone with better knowledge to adjust the settings, remember it has 3dr hubs too..

Staffi

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Hi Neil,

It did yes mate tbh, but it's been aligned with these on now so in theory it should be ok, it's better than when i took it, but still unstable at high speeds

Nash

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I have only driven FWD with an ATB, I remember both feeling very stable at 130mph+.

I know my shonker feels very stable at 158mph [apart from ripping indicators out]. Thats on standard beam with Ahmed made shims, Standard hubs, then same shocks and springs as you.

rapidcossie

Staffi my car with the standard beam has always been 100%stable in a straight line even at very high speeds 180+ but in on turn in mine feels very funny at the mo.

The front is very pointy and the back wants to come round alot.

I havent had a chance to get the tracking checked but defo unnverving going into high speed sweepers chasing pesky evos

NEIL A

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Did you have to get new settings or is it just set to the old ones again ?

Staffi

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Hmm, it's a tuffy, i'll let Mark have a butchers and a play and see then, i couldn't even try mine @ 158 at present Nash i'd shat myself..

Staffi

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Neil,

It's new stettings, i had some settings Mike R adviced me on but lost them...

rapidcossie

Mark originally mapped mine with a fucked steering coupling so unstable at high speed wont worry him

Mind you that was the old "MAD" MArk and not the new father Mark

Staffi

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Lol,

I know what he's like Euan, when we/he mapped my Tommi Mak i had to do the driving.. he was showing me my WUSSY backing off graphs on the map, he just kept telling me "foot to the floor" .. in 5th over a fooking hump bridge..

rapidcossie

It took over half a turn of steering before the car actually moved so fuck trying to map it

Staffi

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WUSSY................

RWD_cossie_wil

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Are the rears set to toe in or toe out? If it's out that would make the back end very livley...

stevieturbo

Have you checked all the bolts etc on the beam are tight ????

And that is not a joke.

Staffi

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Stevie,

tbh no.. but i will tomorrow and i'm pretty confident the technician would of done this.. (MAYBE)

Chip

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Assuming thats toe in, which im sure it is as toe out is normally registered as a minus number, then im surprised you are having problems there, those settings look like a good ballpark to be in to me.

stevieturbo

A friend got one beam, supplied and installed in his Sapphire....we trailered it home to find one of the trailing arm bolts loose. The nut had been screwed on hand tight only, just barely onto the nyloc. Wont even go into the other issues here......

Only last weekend, a local Escort with the other brand of beam....had one of the sleeves that locks the rose joint on the inner trailing arm joint fall out, and cause the arm to swing free.
Fortunately this happened at low speed entering a car park.


So I kid you not about ensuring all bolts etc are tight.


If either of these problems had come to light at high speed......serious injury, or death could have been caused.

One I know for a fact was bad "service" from that workshop, the other car had more miles on it....but still less than 1500 miles.

Either way, no way should it happen on either car, for any reason.

Staffi

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That's not good Stevie, i'll be underneath later checking tem over, thanks for the advice..

Mike Rainbird

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Staffi,
Did you watch them do the geometry? Did they slacken the front ARB bolts off before adjusting?

I had the exact same set up on my Sapphire (even down to the Quaife ATB and 3dr hubs) and my car was ROCK stable at high speed.

Something is amiss, as the settings you have quoted should be super-stable. What bushes are they (as in which manufacturer)?

dojj

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is the beam lined up properly to the rest of the car?

if it's close by, stick your hands into the front and rear of the wheels and make sure that both sides are the same distance from the arches front and back

same with the fronts

if it's been set up with a little bit of error then it's going to manifest itself through the whole car so the whole setup will be on the piss, even if it's only by fractions