Help Needed, Bullet Proof Rear Axles
06-07-2008, 12:36 PM
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Help Needed, Bullet Proof Rear Axles
I need a new axle for the Dolomite
After this weekends exploites at santa pod its shit itself
The axle im running is a toyota hilux with an 8" diff
Which is quite a heavy item to say the least ( took 2 of us to lift it of the work bench )
Im after something lighter and bullet proof
Any recomendations or info would be great
Price isnt a problem ,
After this weekends exploites at santa pod its shit itself
The axle im running is a toyota hilux with an 8" diff
Which is quite a heavy item to say the least ( took 2 of us to lift it of the work bench )
Im after something lighter and bullet proof
Any recomendations or info would be great
Price isnt a problem ,
06-07-2008, 12:51 PM
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I need an axle to take 700 whp
But it has to be as lightweight as possible
Mustang axle is an option
Do they do them in alloy ?
Didnt Danny b do things like this for drag racing ?
But it has to be as lightweight as possible
Mustang axle is an option
Do they do them in alloy ?
Didnt Danny b do things like this for drag racing ?
06-07-2008, 12:53 PM
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Ford Explorer AFAIK use the same or very similar axle to a mustang - I got offered one for £150 not so long back but had no way of picking it up!! 
06-07-2008, 12:58 PM
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I don't think lightweight, axle and taking 700whp go together in the same sentence.
Forget 8"
Mustang 8.8" are good for around 700 with a few upgrades, LOTS of different ratios available.
9" Ford is very heavy but a lot stronger.
Explorer is 8.8"
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Forget 8"
Mustang 8.8" are good for around 700 with a few upgrades, LOTS of different ratios available.
9" Ford is very heavy but a lot stronger.
Explorer is 8.8"
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06-07-2008, 01:08 PM
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The Toyota 4x4 axle is an immense weight but at the time was very cheap and i had
limited funds
Now its time for a decent upgrade,
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06-07-2008, 01:21 PM
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What weight is your car ?
I think you have weight, and lack of torque on your side.
What shafts are you currently using, what spline ?? Where or how did they break ?
Moser can make anything custom, as can Strange or Mark Williams.
Seeing as I have twisted both 28, and 31 spline Mosers...Im not that impressed with them, but they are cheap at around £250 a pair.
That said, my car is close to 1600kgs, and has a little more torque being applied.
Im now using a pair of Mark Williams shafts, and they are soooooo much nicer than the Mosers. And over twice the price.
I havent removed them yet to inspect, But I think they will hold ok.
I bought mine direct from Mark Williams.
But Andy Robinson Race cars can supply, or Hauser probably.
There are various sources in the UK who can build you a complete custom axle from scratch ( based on 9" ) or opt for an 8.8" like I have, which is fully DIY.
I think you have weight, and lack of torque on your side.
What shafts are you currently using, what spline ?? Where or how did they break ?
Moser can make anything custom, as can Strange or Mark Williams.
Seeing as I have twisted both 28, and 31 spline Mosers...Im not that impressed with them, but they are cheap at around £250 a pair.
That said, my car is close to 1600kgs, and has a little more torque being applied.
Im now using a pair of Mark Williams shafts, and they are soooooo much nicer than the Mosers. And over twice the price.
I havent removed them yet to inspect, But I think they will hold ok.
I bought mine direct from Mark Williams.
But Andy Robinson Race cars can supply, or Hauser probably.
There are various sources in the UK who can build you a complete custom axle from scratch ( based on 9" ) or opt for an 8.8" like I have, which is fully DIY.
06-07-2008, 01:54 PM
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I believe that the reliant scimitar and mark 2 jag are strong axles and ideal for old school motors.
A little heavier than the atlas but very strong,i think they were called '4HA'
Mark
A little heavier than the atlas but very strong,i think they were called '4HA'
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06-07-2008, 08:06 PM
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What weight is your car ?
I think you have weight, and lack of torque on your side.
What shafts are you currently using, what spline ?? Where or how did they break ?
Moser can make anything custom, as can Strange or Mark Williams.
Seeing as I have twisted both 28, and 31 spline Mosers...Im not that impressed with them, but they are cheap at around £250 a pair.
That said, my car is close to 1600kgs, and has a little more torque being applied.
Im now using a pair of Mark Williams shafts, and they are soooooo much nicer than the Mosers. And over twice the price.
I havent removed them yet to inspect, But I think they will hold ok.
I bought mine direct from Mark Williams.
But Andy Robinson Race cars can supply, or Hauser probably.
There are various sources in the UK who can build you a complete custom axle from scratch ( based on 9" ) or opt for an 8.8" like I have, which is fully DIY.
I think you have weight, and lack of torque on your side.
What shafts are you currently using, what spline ?? Where or how did they break ?
Moser can make anything custom, as can Strange or Mark Williams.
Seeing as I have twisted both 28, and 31 spline Mosers...Im not that impressed with them, but they are cheap at around £250 a pair.
That said, my car is close to 1600kgs, and has a little more torque being applied.
Im now using a pair of Mark Williams shafts, and they are soooooo much nicer than the Mosers. And over twice the price.
I havent removed them yet to inspect, But I think they will hold ok.
I bought mine direct from Mark Williams.
But Andy Robinson Race cars can supply, or Hauser probably.
There are various sources in the UK who can build you a complete custom axle from scratch ( based on 9" ) or opt for an 8.8" like I have, which is fully DIY.
I was using a 150 shot of nitrous of the line on mickey ts 1.5 60fts
I havnt stripped the axle yet but it has a big knock
If its bolloxed im going to change it
06-07-2008, 08:52 PM
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Thats a good 60ft time mate 
Im on the good old Atlas on mine with Grp1 shafts and ZF diff. Not sure if it would take your sort of power, but either way they are about £2k to build nowadays, mine was £1200 5 years or so ago and seems to do the job.
A few other escorts are running 8" axles with good results, and they have a wide range of diff ratios
Im on the good old Atlas on mine with Grp1 shafts and ZF diff. Not sure if it would take your sort of power, but either way they are about £2k to build nowadays, mine was £1200 5 years or so ago and seems to do the job.
A few other escorts are running 8" axles with good results, and they have a wide range of diff ratios
06-07-2008, 09:22 PM
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Thats a good 60ft time mate
Im on the good old Atlas on mine with Grp1 shafts and ZF diff. Not sure if it would take your sort of power, but either way they are about £2k to build nowadays, mine was £1200 5 years or so ago and seems to do the job.
A few other escorts are running 8" axles with good results, and they have a wide range of diff ratios
Im on the good old Atlas on mine with Grp1 shafts and ZF diff. Not sure if it would take your sort of power, but either way they are about £2k to build nowadays, mine was £1200 5 years or so ago and seems to do the job.
A few other escorts are running 8" axles with good results, and they have a wide range of diff ratios
06-07-2008, 10:22 PM
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I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
Deffo talk to andy at robinson race cars,he told me he could fit 9" internals in an 8 " casing
whch would save loads of weight.
Bloody nice bloke,tell him puddy sent you !
his no. is 01256880589
puddy
whch would save loads of weight.
Bloody nice bloke,tell him puddy sent you !
his no. is 01256880589
puddy
06-07-2008, 10:29 PM
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Im using a Torsen...never let me down once.
After driving with a spool for a while last year...I can safely say I will never have any sort of locking diff in my car.
After driving with a spool for a while last year...I can safely say I will never have any sort of locking diff in my car.
07-07-2008, 02:49 PM
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also a plated slipper
took it apart today and its fucked
The new prop is twisted again at the end which goes in the gbox
New parts from the states 3 weeks
TOTB not looking good unless i can get an alternative in time
At least i won at the pod class c 2000 turbo nitrous class
Nice little trophy on the mantal piece
expensive trophy though LOL
07-07-2008, 04:39 PM
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I have a torsen
also a plated slipper
took it apart today and its fucked
The new prop is twisted again at the end which goes in the gbox
New parts from the states 3 weeks
TOTB not looking good unless i can get an alternative in time
At least i won at the pod class c 2000 turbo nitrous class
Nice little trophy on the mantal piece
expensive trophy though LOL
also a plated slipper
took it apart today and its fucked
The new prop is twisted again at the end which goes in the gbox
New parts from the states 3 weeks
TOTB not looking good unless i can get an alternative in time
At least i won at the pod class c 2000 turbo nitrous class
Nice little trophy on the mantal piece
expensive trophy though LOL
What size is the prop ? Im just using a 3" 2 piece steel item, with 1350 joints. 30T at box end.
Or do you mean the slip yoke ?
G-Force in the US will probably do strong yokes, or Mark Williams might also.
07-07-2008, 06:04 PM
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IMO any diff that retains a diff pin.....is a failure waiting to happen.
What size is the prop ? Im just using a 3" 2 piece steel item, with 1350 joints. 30T at box end.
Or do you mean the slip yoke ?
G-Force in the US will probably do strong yokes, or Mark Williams might also.
What size is the prop ? Im just using a 3" 2 piece steel item, with 1350 joints. 30T at box end.
Or do you mean the slip yoke ?
G-Force in the US will probably do strong yokes, or Mark Williams might also.
Heres whats happend
And this is the old prop but its the same as the one i have just took off
3" thick wall cds
07-07-2008, 06:19 PM
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Torsen = torque biasing.
If the gears are breaking....only real answer is bigger gears.
As for the prop....WOW !!
The splines twisting, yes, nothing too odd for such launches/power. MW etc will do a stronger yoke for sure, or Strange, or G-Force.
But that prop is insane !!!
I dont know what type of steel etc mine is, but its just a regular steel 3" diam ( sourced from the US ). Mine is not chromoly though.
I did have the rear section sourced from Hauser for a while, which I assume was made locally. They say they have run 3" steel with no problems on 8 second cars.
If the gears are breaking....only real answer is bigger gears.
As for the prop....WOW !!
The splines twisting, yes, nothing too odd for such launches/power. MW etc will do a stronger yoke for sure, or Strange, or G-Force.
But that prop is insane !!!
I dont know what type of steel etc mine is, but its just a regular steel 3" diam ( sourced from the US ). Mine is not chromoly though.
I did have the rear section sourced from Hauser for a while, which I assume was made locally. They say they have run 3" steel with no problems on 8 second cars.
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Torsen = torque biasing.
If the gears are breaking....only real answer is bigger gears.
As for the prop....WOW !!
The splines twisting, yes, nothing too odd for such launches/power. MW etc will do a stronger yoke for sure, or Strange, or G-Force.
But that prop is insane !!!
I dont know what type of steel etc mine is, but its just a regular steel 3" diam ( sourced from the US ). Mine is not chromoly though.
I did have the rear section sourced from Hauser for a while, which I assume was made locally. They say they have run 3" steel with no problems on 8 second cars.
If the gears are breaking....only real answer is bigger gears.
As for the prop....WOW !!
The splines twisting, yes, nothing too odd for such launches/power. MW etc will do a stronger yoke for sure, or Strange, or G-Force.
But that prop is insane !!!
I dont know what type of steel etc mine is, but its just a regular steel 3" diam ( sourced from the US ). Mine is not chromoly though.
I did have the rear section sourced from Hauser for a while, which I assume was made locally. They say they have run 3" steel with no problems on 8 second cars.
I have just ordered 2 new ring and pinions with different ratios
411.1 AND A 456.1 from the states
I allready have a 354 .1
The one i broke was a 433.1
Im going to get these built into casings as its only a quick change with about 20 bolts as its a front loader axle
Then in the winter get a decent axle,
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07-07-2008, 07:23 PM
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You guys might know i going to be using a quaife in a cortina atlas what power u think its up to??
i'm going to be around the 400,used to use a ZF till i sold it to my mate
and the quaife is the cheapest option..
Unless theres an alternative
Paul
i'm going to be around the 400,used to use a ZF till i sold it to my mate
and the quaife is the cheapest option..Unless theres an alternative
Paul
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