Cossiep

Folks,

I have a mate who has recently informed me that he has the entire number of components to build a YB This guy bought all the bits years ago and was going to build the motor for a kit car, anyway due to babies, work, wife etc nothing got done and he is gonna let me have all this gear at a bargain price

Anyway, I'll have all the bits and really want to screw it all together myself, with the help of the Cosworth manual is this a task that'll have me pulling my hair out or will it be a enjoyable and rewarding experience ???

TIFF

Take your time and have a go mate

Ginge !

pay a pro and it will garantee it aint gona come apart, dont think a cossie engine is a first timers engine build

aint gonna cost alot of ya got all the bits and oif ya got it all cheep might be more worth it

Cossiep

how much in way of labour do you think I'm looking at ???

Ginge !

few hundred, best to speak to a engine builder first though, i cant build a jigsaw

Jamz

Have a go yourself, where's the fun in giving it to someone else to put together ?

Cossiep

My thoughts exactly

As long as it don't go bang

Ginge !

well what about when ya throw a rod

will cost the same as normal now to replace, no saving anymore, what about find a builder who will build it for ya yet tlet ya help out too

Ginge !

well when i bought my flat id rather have it with the comfort it aint gonna fall apart

i could have bought a flat pack one, just not worth the hassle

B11GNS

I must admit i've thought about this quite a few times, i wouldn't mind building my own engine. It would give you more satisfaction i think then if someone else does it and then it all works

Jamz

Surely if you had the proper tools and followed the manual to the letter he'd be fine. Anything he wasn't sure about he could ask on here

If he's getting it for a GOOD price it won't matter so much if it does goes bang

Cossiep

Good idea in principle, but if I were running a garage I wouldn't let any old John rock up and start whealding the spanners

Ginge !

will has hes gotta buy another engine now and thats gona cost him



oh and ya woukld be suprised how helpfll some people are

ya need ti find a proper builder and makesure ya know where KFC is to

PhilM

Cosworth is a very expensive engine if you fook it up.

Ideal first builds are Zetecs/CVHs imo....upto you. Bolting it togetehr isnt rocket science, speccing it and ensuring its built to the correct tolerances, right CR etc is

jas

i would have a go myself, dont learn anything otherwise and if you get the bits cheep dont matter if it goes bang

Jamz

I know it's not the same but I changed the engine in my Pulsar myself and to say I was happy when I put it all back together and it started (almost) first time is an understatement and a half

Cossiep

Put it this way I'm getting all the bits for £400

and am only looking to build a standard lump i.e. t3 10psi boost etc, been there done the whole big power thing not worth it IMHO

Ginge !

jamz, fitting a engie is a fooking peice of piss

actually building a enigne ( cam timing ect) is the science and enginering

CozzyBrom

theres building engines and building engines
thowing it to gether is easy
measurein everything up and using dtis,mircrometers,plasticgauge,dummy building deck hieghts all have to be taken into account
heads even more so valve hieghts,guide wear etc
standard spec engine £300 to build plus parts
hi perfomance engine £600 plus parts
and a calibrated toque wrench is needed my digital snap on one cost me £400

Ginge !

that was what i said when i bought my cossie,wanted a stage 1 cossie as i dont drive fast

im now pricing up greys and above engines

Cossiep

Brom,

Top advice mate my old man is a qualified machine shop engineer and has all the neccessary tools and has built more motorbike engines than I've had hot dinners, but like you say the cossy lump's a bit different.

If I bought all the bits to yourself could you build it ready to run in for £300 ???

Jamz

thats not bad at all. Ok, scratch the self build idea and give it all to brom

Cossiep

I know what you mean mate, been there done that, had a reliable stage 3 motor and like yourself was planning on greys/ 8 greens etc, but soon got fed up of getting towed home due to blown diffs, boxs etc, etc..... so just want a nice sweeeet standard lump and keep my saff for a long time

Garage19

So what would you consider a first timers engine build? A zetec? Not much different technically. Lets face it, rebuilding the bottom end of any four pot car engine is pretty much the same as the next.

If you have no engine building experience, how can you recommend that he doesn't do it himself.

Putting an engine together isn't a black art. If you can read a manual, work a torque wrench and own a set of feeler guages you are laughing.

Ginge !

WARNING THOUGH BEFORE YA TAKE IS TO BROM !!!!

be prepared to find load and loads of nice toy and then be prepared to make a return visit to buy more things

CozzyBrom

yes as long as it needed no extra work as in valve guides,spring platforms ,valve seats cutting etc
the cost would be £300 to build it plus any machining and parts required

Cossiep

PMSL

Once again mate, been it situation and STILL have the bloody debts tp prove it

Standard build for me

Jamz

If you have an engine builder for a dad you couldn't possibly go wrong!

Ginge !

very very true, but to do it proper requires experience, sorry but a cossie engine is pricy if he make minor mistakes ( cam timing ect)

not worth it for 500 quid if hes got all the parts imo

oh and i would obviously not say zetec due to the cams


i would say cvh engine for a first time approach fo as he has a guy whos used to building enigines get his help too

oh and a zetec engine will cost ya 150 quid to buy and then new parts to play with, whats a second hand cossie engine worth ???

CozzyBrom

so what about matching pistons
deck hieghts
bearing clearances
ring gaps
endfloat
rods end to end balanced ????
like i said its easy to thow a engine together it takes time and accurace to build it right

Cossiep

Nice one Brom sounds good,

The block is brand new on standard but I don't know if it will need a bore as it has been sitting for years and has light surface rust (but nothing major) as it's been boxed, the head is complete but used so again not sure as to what else might need doing (hopeing nothing) nice to get that figure in mind though..... cheers

Ginge !

all that plus you drop of a few boxes of stuff, drive home, shag the missus, no oil under finger nails, clothes not destroyed

ya drive back after a few days and get 1 item placed in ya boot and ya know theres no problems

all that for a weeks wages


i know what id do

CozzyBrom

right funny enuf am actully about to build a engine 2nite
i like to build them on my own no ineruptoins just nice and quite
it will take me around 6 hrs but its worth it i will post up the end result

Ginge !

now answer my post about ya car then

Cossiep

6hrs is that all......... damn you must be fooking experienced

In that time I'd of read the manual twice, made the old man twenty five cups of tea and that's about it

Looks like £300 could be money VERY well spent

CozzyBrom

thats 6 hrs to finally build
i have alread measure things and had them machined and stuff this is the final build not everything is coreect how i want it
i wish i could build a full engine and get payed £300 for a nite work but it dont work like that am afraid
i will post a pic of finished lump 2nite

Cossiep

Nice one... look forward to it