Looking at an M3 Convertible (Non-Evo)

it's a 1995, think it's an N-reg but not entirely sure as it has a private plate on

Immaculate condition, everything works on it, 52k with FSH

Estoril Blue with all the extras

But what's it actually worth? Finding it difficult to judge as it's the only Estoril Blue non-Evo I've seen, and that's just what I want as want a summer toy, but don't want any twin vanos issues! There are plenty of Estoril Blue Evos, most seem around the £7995 mark but with 80-110k on the clock and not as immaculate as this. And I've seen a 1999 T-reg Evo with 34k on the clock, immaculate, but advertised at £12,995!

I'm not sure how much he wants for it, and I'd pay top whack for what the car is, no problem, but don't want to pay over the odds!

Cheers,

Mike

 

Don't be put off too much by vanos worries, mine was perfect and never made any funny noises hot or cold, it was the original unit and had done 62k.

You can tell pretty early on if it's fooked or not, and provided you change the vanos filter regularly (costs a couple of quid) then it should be fine.

In answer to the actual question, it's hard to say...sometimes it's worth paying more for a minter, but with it's age and being a non-evo i'd say £6.5-£7k tops for it.

ps...i've never seen an estoril non evo??!

 

pps gorgeous cars, really wish i'd kept mine

 

Well i just paid 6900 for a november 1997 evo convert with 60k on it and fullbmsh it is techno violet in colour....

 

It's the first Estoril non-Evo I've seen too! Hence why I'm so keen on it!

I'd be more than happy to pay £6.5k, but I just get the impression that he thinks it's worth more than it is and will be wanting more than that

But yeah, it is a minter

Cheers!

 

Any links to the ad? or is it not advertised?

i'd be slightly wary because i'm 99% sure Estoril was only available on EVO models...

 

I always thought the same...

It was on eBay a while back, but never hit the reserve

 

The car in those pics, ( with J44CPS plate...has previously held reg no. N129BWE ) is a write off and has been scrapped!!!

I just Hpi'd it for you, can copy and paste the report if you like?

 

Good work Martin looks like you could have saved some one a heft amount of cash...

 

If you could please!

Glad I asked the question now, I nearly didn't bother...

 

BMW, M3

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  Not recorded as currently stolen.
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  Not at high risk of fraud or theft.
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  No finance agreement found.
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  Vehicle scrapped.
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  Insurance write-off.

AutoCheck report number A0255087 carried out on 18/06/2008 at 11:20:15.
Vehicle Identification Number was not supplied. Do not purchase this vehicle until you have confirmed the VIN. Click here to confirm your Vehicle Identification Number.


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Vehicle Details

MakeBMWModelM3Transmission & fuel typeMANUAL 5 GEARS PETROLBody typeCONVERTIBLEEngine no.60081067ColourBLUENumber of gears5Engine capacity2990ccFirst registered01/08/1995Year of manufacture1995CO2 EmissionsUNKNOWNRoad Tax (12 Months)£180


Mileage Details

The mileage you entered was 52,000.
SourceDateMileageDVLA - V5/325/05/200127,000Warning: Mileage data is supplied by third parties and may not be correct.
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Condition Details

Insurance Write-off Details

This vehicle is recorded as being a write-off by an insurance company on .
Status is VEHICLE DAMAGED.
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Messages From The DVLA / DVLNI

Vehicle was scrapped on 19/04/1996
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Plate Change Details

This vehicle has previously held the following number plates
VRMDate ChangedN129BWE13/02/2006


Keeper Change Details

Number of previous keepers6Most recent keeper change20/07/2007
Dates of other changes:
12/12/2003
05/11/2002
01/06/1996
02/08/1995


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Other Data

There are no colour change records associated with this vehicle.

 

The mileage is also false

 

Thanks ever so much mate, whoever "ringed" it or whatever did a good job because none of the usual clues were there

Oh well, the search goes on, there's no shortage of M3 convertibles about!

 

Does the car have 5 or 6 gears? If it has 6 then it may be a rung EVO, it's a strange one, as to ring it with numbers of a written off car is stupid!

And you're welcome, remember to HPi ANY car you buy!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Says scrapped in 1996 but its had a few keeper changes since then??

 

Bloody hell!

I'd be reporting the car as well in case someone else gets screwed!

Good work bud-weis!

 

It's only got 5 gears

I still don't know how it's quite possible. I mean, it says the car was scrapped in 1996 when it was less than 12 months old, yet there was a reg plate transfer in 2006?!

 

Maybe there is more to it, need to HPi the chassis number as well?

 

I have no idea tbh....there's a possibility the check is incorrect i suppose, the vin will say for sure....ask the seller for the vin number so you can Hpi it, see if he squirms

you can contact the DVLA and ask them about it, they will be able to say why it's still being used.

 

very dodgy, it has the saloon wheels, coupe seats, a spoiler which you dont get on convertibles! non evo colour, it has everything pointing in the wrong direction!!! + a fucking GAY exhaust, not to mention headlight brows!!!

no one puts an exhaust like that on an M3

the J reg plate makes it look older than it is too, probably disguising its original number plate so no one knows its the same car that has been written off (which obiously the hpi has now confirmed )

 

i saw a CAT B E46 M3 for sale the other day, didnt think you were allowed to resell them, thought it was break for parts / scrap only

heres another CAT B for sale

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2004-VOLVO-V70...QQcmdZViewItem

does anyone know the full details on whats supposed to be done with CAT B's?

 

You could get Vader's in convertibles, I know that from when I was looking for a set for my Coupe

The light brows and exhaust are very gay, but you can fit them to any car, lol

 

i dont think the vaders came in convertibles. i know they touch on the soft top in some positions as ive been in a car which has had them after fitted, so quite sure they wouldnt have been a factory fit.

and what im trying to say about the light brows is its a CHAV mod, not seen very often on M3's of all cars!!!

and how many M3's have you seen fitted with similar exhaust? or even just a single exhaust!

 

I've seen badly modified M3's, lol and other high-spec cars

Just because someone has the bad taste to stick on some headlight brows doesn't automatically make you think the car's a ringer

 

Not an M3, but you get my point

 

something else that would put me off buying it!!!

i think he deserves one of these!!! >

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMW-M3-Convert...QQcmdZViewItem

 

 

Quite ironic when you look at the 1st Evo Convertible that catches my eye on PistonHeads

 

CAT ‘A’
A written-off vehicle that must be totally destroyed, including all of its parts.
CAT ‘B’
A written-off vehicle from which the spare parts may be re-sold, but from which the body-shell should be destroyed so that the vehicle cannot be returned to the road.
CAT ‘C’
A vehicle that is written-off by the insurers because the repair costs are greater than the value of the vehicle itself, but which can nonetheless still be potentially repaired to a roadworthy condition.
CAT ‘D’
A vehicle that has been written-off by the insurers, for various possible reasons, even though its physical repair costs are less than the vehicle’s actual value.
CAT ‘X’
A vehicle that is “not recorded”as being damaged on the HPI register, or which has very minimal damage only. These vehicles are usually “stolen-recovered”cases.

I have repaired Cat C and D cars myself in the past, Cat C now need a VIC check to be put back on the road.

I thought only authorised breakers/salvage dealers were allowed to buy Cat A and B cars?

 

Copy and paste from another site:

Car Salvage Insurance Categories

All vehicles defined as Motor Salvage are given an insurance category, these help to define exactly what sort of damage has been inflicted on the car and also what it can be used for afterwards. The salvage categories are:
Category A
A vehicle that has been written-off and which must be completely destroyed. It cannot be used for dismantling into its parts .
Notification of Destruction required. (To be crushed). Recorded at DVLA & HPI
Category B
A vehicle that has been written-off but where it's parts may be re-used. However, the body shell cannot be re-used and must be destroyed.
Notification of Destruction required. (Parts can be removed and sold). Recorded at DVLA & HPI
Category C
An insurance write-off mainly due to the cost of repair would be greated than the value of the car. It is suitable to repair to make it roadworthy.
Can be sold for repair but must now have VIC inspection.
Recorded at DVLA & HPI.

Category D
An insurance write-off for other reasons as the repair costs may be less than the value of the vehicle. It is suitable to repair to make it roadworthy.
Recorded with HPI.
Category X
A vehicle which is not listed as being damaged on the HPI register, or one which may have very little damage. Often these are vehicles that have been stolen and then recovered.
Car/Vehicle Salvage

Most people think vehicle salvage means a heap of metal, which does not drive and is not worth a penny. This is absolute nonsense because yes vehicle salvage can be a heap of metal which is worthless, but more often than not vehicle salvage simply means the car is damaged and can be repaired.
As this definition of vehicle salvage is vague it is best to inform you that vehicle salvage actually comes in categories and they are A, B, C, D and X, all with various pros and cons and as explained in this article can make us a nice bit of cash and many people use it as their main source of income.
Firstly we will define the vehicle salvage categories in the below vehicle salvage guidelines:
Category A suits the original theory of vehicle salvage being a heap of metal. Fire damaged (burnt-out), flood damaged (contaminated or salt water), severely damaged with no serviceable parts, or heavily stripped (shell).
Category B Damaged beyond economical repair and/or severe structural damage, however if you broke the vehicle salvage and sold the car parts you would stand to make a profit.
Category C is where the vehicle can be repaired and can bring you a profit. The damage may still be a lot but it is fixable to a road worthy state. If you get it done by a retailer they the costs may exceed the pre accident value, however if you know how to do something's yourself or have a relationship with a certain garage you will almost certainly make a profit. Since category C is on the border of breaking the vehicle salvage down for car parts and fixing the vehicle salvage up, you should always ensure you can fix it up for a profit before purchasing.
Category D ensures the vehicle is always repairable and that the cost of doing so (retailer or no retailer) will be less than the pre sale value, thus making you a tidy profit. The damage is always less than a category C and often parts such as new wings or bumpers are needed with very little damage.
Category X is the best vehicle salvage around since the car has no or little damage (apart from wear and tear from the previous owners) to it and is simply stolen recovered or unclassified as being in an accident. This type of vehicle salvage always makes a high profit.
Therefore vehicle salvage can be categories and vehicle salvage guidelines produced and as a rule of thumb category's A and B are used for car parts, categories C and D are for repairs and category X is a bargain and should be bought on the spot.
Most vehicle salvage sites such as www.salvagesparefinder.co.uk only deal with categories C, D and X and ensure only the best vehicle salvage, and often have more in-depth vehicle salvage guidelines.

 

what an idiot more money than sense, or just NO sense AT ALL

worst thing is, that actually looks a nice car

cheers rodge, thats pretty much what i thought too mate coonts

 

What about this one......ahem........

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/550517.htm

Yeah its mine!!!

 

Is it possible that the car was a CAT C at one point. It would technically be written off by the insurer, but could have been returned to the road?

 

It says it was scrapped though?

That one's a beauty, shame you're hundreds of miles away!

 

I'm not actually sure on the technicalities of HPI reports. Was just a thought.
Is it possible that the car that the Reg came from was scrapped, and that reg put onto this car?

 

NICE car!!!

but you might sell it if you took pics of the other side of the car, the front, rear etc, and maybe under bonnet shots?

5 pics of the same angle sort it out!

 

You may have a point there! Never thought of that.....was having trouble selling, ha that might be the reason! Cheers dude!

 

Possibly. Really need to HPi the VIN to be sure

 

no worries, did you get what i sent earlier?

 

They Never did a 3.0 in Estorial Blue
Verts Never Came with Vader Front seats

e36coupe.com Is the best place to be looking,

I've Got a 3.0 M3 vert with 90k on it, With FBMWSH for 4.5k, It was a good price and a lucky find, so many have been abused not serviced, crashed etc

Mine:- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...z/IMG_0025.jpg

Adam