General Car Related Discussion. To discuss anything that is related to cars and automotive technology that doesnt naturally fit into another forum catagory.

Q. for electricians

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-06-2008, 11:15 AM
  #1  
Shandy-Ade
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
 
Shandy-Ade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West London
Posts: 2,394
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Q. for electricians

I'm after a consumer board out the back to power my swimming pool heater / pump.

Could anyone give me a rough price what i would be expected to pay to have this done, the only problem being that the house consumer board is at the front of the house.

Obviously the prices will be guesses but thats good enough for now.

Cheers
Old 11-06-2008, 11:34 AM
  #2  
St3V3_C
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
St3V3_C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Bristol
Posts: 9,582
Received 43 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

How long is a piece of string LOL

How far is the cable run? Clipped to a wall or buried?

What power is the pump/heater?

Is your existing CU up to supplying the extra box?
Old 11-06-2008, 03:01 PM
  #3  
Shandy-Ade
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
 
Shandy-Ade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West London
Posts: 2,394
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I knew it would only be a guideline price, the cable run is about 50ft, clipped not buried, the heater is 5kw and the cu should be up for the extra power
Old 11-06-2008, 04:30 PM
  #4  
ferg1e
Part of the Furniture
 
ferg1e's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Erskine
Posts: 150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

are you able to get under the floor to run the cable to the back of the house?
Old 11-06-2008, 04:33 PM
  #5  
Shandy-Ade
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
 
Shandy-Ade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West London
Posts: 2,394
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ferg1e
are you able to get under the floor to run the cable to the back of the house?
Unfortunatly not, the cable will have to run down the side of house
Old 11-06-2008, 05:12 PM
  #6  
danneth
TORQUE!
 
danneth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 11,756
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

£600
Old 11-06-2008, 05:26 PM
  #7  
ferg1e
Part of the Furniture
 
ferg1e's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Erskine
Posts: 150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

will it not be more than 600 if the cable are being ran outside?

Trending Topics

Old 11-06-2008, 06:45 PM
  #8  
St3V3_C
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
St3V3_C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Bristol
Posts: 9,582
Received 43 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

Materials can probably be had for less than £100, depending on what you want on the end of the cable?

You'll probably have to pay for a day's work by the time you include testing.

Not sure how serious the £600 quote was, but it's not really surprising people are still doing this stuff themselves LOL
Old 11-06-2008, 07:00 PM
  #9  
adduk
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
adduk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lost!!
Posts: 567
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

bit of a hit miss question,without looking at a job as the price could vary,i mean what type of pool is it,as there is all the bonding to be done which costs,price of armoured cable and all other bits to terminate the cable, plus rcd,people go out and do ther own work without considering all the important bits that go with the job which gives us electricians a bad name.sorry for the rant! But i would be looking at around £400 at a guess with no idea what the jobs like.
Old 11-06-2008, 07:19 PM
  #10  
teamfatboy
Frog Tosser

 
teamfatboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 1,088
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by St3V3_C
Materials can probably be had for less than £100, depending on what you want on the end of the cable?

You'll probably have to pay for a day's work by the time you include testing.

Not sure how serious the £600 quote was, but it's not really surprising people are still doing this stuff themselves LOL

I wish you was my electrical wholesaler
Old 11-06-2008, 07:51 PM
  #11  
danneth
TORQUE!
 
danneth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 11,756
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by St3V3_C
Materials can probably be had for less than £100, depending on what you want on the end of the cable?

You'll probably have to pay for a day's work by the time you include testing.

Not sure how serious the £600 quote was, but it's not really surprising people are still doing this stuff themselves LOL

they can?

heres a REALLY rough idea of how i said £600

materials = £200
labour for 2 men = £300


that leaves £100 for travel, admin costs, profit for the company

but im sure most sparkys are different
Old 11-06-2008, 07:53 PM
  #12  
teamfatboy
Frog Tosser

 
teamfatboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 1,088
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by danneth
they can?

heres a REALLY rough idea of how i said £600

materials = £200
labour for 2 men = £300


that leaves £100 for travel, admin costs, profit for the company

but im sure most sparkys are different
As a quote not seeing the job I think your pretty much on the money
Old 11-06-2008, 07:57 PM
  #13  
danneth
TORQUE!
 
danneth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 11,756
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by teamfatboy
As a quote not seeing the job I think your pretty much on the money

well he only asked for a rough idea imo thats not a million miles out like you say without seeing it could be cheaper could be more...
Old 11-06-2008, 08:00 PM
  #14  
teamfatboy
Frog Tosser

 
teamfatboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 1,088
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'd guess more, the price of BASEC cable is havin a laugh
Old 11-06-2008, 08:04 PM
  #15  
englandbrad
PassionFord Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
englandbrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Cannock
Posts: 456
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ady Si
I'm after a consumer board out the back to power my swimming pool heater / pump.

Could anyone give me a rough price what i would be expected to pay to have this done, the only problem being that the house consumer board is at the front of the house.

Obviously the prices will be guesses but thats good enough for now.

Cheers
I'm a spark mate just the board alone depending on the run you'd expect to pay between £200 and £300 inc breakers. Again depending on the run but prob expect to pay around the same for the external work. This would be certified. But also would require your earth bonding to be up together for for your services. If not expect to pay around £120 worst case i imagine.

Hope this helps.
Let me know if i can be of any further help mate.
Brad
Old 11-06-2008, 08:48 PM
  #16  
Series1Dry
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Series1Dry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cumbriashire
Posts: 882
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

You would pay £200-£300 for a domestic consumer unit ? You can get a 7/7 split board with RCD and breakers for well under £100. He only needs a breaker at the house end.
If the board in the house is RCD protected and has a spare way, then all you need there is a breaker. Then there is the arrnoured to the pool. 50m away and 5kw load either 6mm or 10mm 3 core. Dunno which without doing the calcs. Then the termination/isolator at the pool end. Breakers are around £6. An isolator at the pool end say £20. Dunno how much the armoured will be. Then there is labour. A day for me and a boy would be around £300. Ball park figures obviously.

Last edited by Series1Dry; 11-06-2008 at 08:52 PM.
Old 11-06-2008, 08:57 PM
  #17  
St3V3_C
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
St3V3_C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Bristol
Posts: 9,582
Received 43 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

He said 50 foot NOT 50 metres...
Old 11-06-2008, 08:58 PM
  #18  
Shandy-Ade
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
 
Shandy-Ade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West London
Posts: 2,394
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Thanks for all the replies, i understand without seeing the job it will be hard to put a price to it.

I'm trying to think of otherways to connect the heater whether i connect to the cooker switch as thats RCD protected, there has to be an easier way
Old 11-06-2008, 09:01 PM
  #19  
Series1Dry
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Series1Dry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cumbriashire
Posts: 882
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by St3V3_C
He said 50 foot NOT 50 metres...
Oh yeah
6mm should do it then. I still don't know how much the cable will be though lol
Old 11-06-2008, 09:09 PM
  #20  
teamfatboy
Frog Tosser

 
teamfatboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 1,088
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Series1Dry
You would pay £200-£300 for a domestic consumer unit ? You can get a 7/7 split board with RCD and breakers for well under £100. He only needs a breaker at the house end.
If the board in the house is RCD protected and has a spare way, then all you need there is a breaker. Then there is the arrnoured to the pool. 50m away and 5kw load either 6mm or 10mm 3 core. Dunno which without doing the calcs. Then the termination/isolator at the pool end. Breakers are around £6. An isolator at the pool end say £20. Dunno how much the armoured will be. Then there is labour. A day for me and a boy would be around £300. Ball park figures obviously.
£300 Labour
£20 isolator
No spare ways in current board??
Cleats??
Rawl plugs??
Screws??
Tails??
Enclosure??
MCB??
RCD??
Conduit??
Trunking??
Test Certificate??
Diesel??
General running costs of a business??
Old 11-06-2008, 09:10 PM
  #21  
Series1Dry
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
 
Series1Dry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cumbriashire
Posts: 882
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ady Si
Thanks for all the replies, i understand without seeing the job it will be hard to put a price to it.

I'm trying to think of otherways to connect the heater whether i connect to the cooker switch as thats RCD protected, there has to be an easier way

Sounds to me that you need to get someone to give you an estimate. Best thing to do is get 3 and pick the middle one. You need to provide a Part P certificate now when you install anything to do with water and/or electrics. You can do the work yourself but someone or a firm,who is Part P registered, has to check the work done before the certificate is issued. If you don't do something by the book and it has to be redone then your just wasting cash. If someone is Part P registered who does the job, then the certificate will be sorted by them and you don't need to worry about it .
Old 11-06-2008, 09:12 PM
  #22  
teamfatboy
Frog Tosser

 
teamfatboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 1,088
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Employers contribution to tax and N.I.............
Old 11-06-2008, 09:20 PM
  #23  
teamfatboy
Frog Tosser

 
teamfatboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 1,088
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Part P is a reference to the building regulations regarding electrical installation.

There is nothing new in Part P that is not already in BS7671 as amended 2008
Old 11-06-2008, 09:40 PM
  #24  
danneth
TORQUE!
 
danneth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 11,756
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by teamfatboy
£300 Labour
£20 isolator
No spare ways in current board??
Cleats??
Rawl plugs??
Screws??
Tails??
Enclosure??
MCB??
RCD??
Conduit??
Trunking??
Test Certificate??
Diesel??
General running costs of a business??
so about £13.50 and a chip butty
Old 11-06-2008, 09:45 PM
  #25  
teamfatboy
Frog Tosser

 
teamfatboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 1,088
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by danneth
so about £13.50 and a chip butty
Sausage, chips and a bun for 350 people, you got a deal!
Old 19-06-2008, 05:11 PM
  #26  
Shandy-Ade
Advanced PassionFord User
Thread Starter
 
Shandy-Ade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: West London
Posts: 2,394
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Had a sparky round today for a quote, and the bad news is that a 2nd consumer unit isn't feesable due to the length of the cable run.

What is possible is connecting to the cooker switch as it's on a 40 amp RCD already, running some cable through trunking drilling through the wall then just as the cable is to be run outside changing to SWA.

Just waiting on a quote, although he just rang me back to tell me that the commando 63AMP plug we were going to use is £70, so to save myself money he can hard wire it so i use the switch on the cooker.

Hopefully it wont be too much
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
van_dogg_pavvy
Technical help Q & A
2
03-03-2016 09:30 AM
BillyCabrio
General Car Related Discussion.
21
07-03-2008 12:22 AM
geoffxr4
General Car Related Discussion.
6
02-11-2006 09:00 AM
DaveEscos
General Car Related Discussion.
4
11-02-2005 11:33 AM



Quick Reply: Q. for electricians



All times are GMT. The time now is 02:13 PM.