Turbocabbie

As a garage would it be illegal for you to have a head unit out of the car on the workbench (which may have just been repaired ) and being tested ?

Its obviously work related rather than for the purpose of entertaining customers

Lee Ivatt

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sadly most of the boom boom pricks are unemployed, and when driving their car are not at work anyway! no licence needed.

Billabong

I posted on the other thread above, so won't repeat it here.

But, I'd wager that the letters are sent out to businesses as matter of course, not necessarily because you've been 'reported' or anything.....

rs gez

is there not a loop hole with music coming frm the tv set???

~nomad~

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bitold hat this, they dont really pursue it thou, if they turn up you will have to pay. But chances are they won't. In fact they turned up at my shop and I still never paid, and they never came back
But I do have to pay it for my bar.

BillyCabrio

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What happens if you have a tv wired thru a speaker set-up showing a music channel??

Same thing is it?

mrjenrst

just get each employee to bring there own radio in for themselves

all tuned to the same station

T3ORA

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ipod then for every one

Spammage

I was gonna say that!!!that would stuff them!!!!

G2RSR

this law was out when i was 16 working in a welding factory

what i don't get is why they start clamping down on it now of all times when there screwing every penny out of us anyway

i mean it has been illegal to record off the radio for years but how many people have done that ?

what if they started pulling you over searching for copied cd's in your car or recorded tapes off the radio and giving out fines

bring back the 80's i say at least you could have some sort of life in them days

topaz

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what if the radio is on in a customers car? would that be breaking the law?

Psycho Warren

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As long as youve got a TV license for the premises i dont see why not. Knowing the tv license cunts it will breach some "multiple occupancy" or public performance rules or some similar bullshit.

SassyRS

We have the same problem at PE Stu... tis a joke

cossiegreg1

thats what i'd do

lawnsy

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we've just had to pay this at work....boss just said we will have to work in silence now...

Billabong

Then your boss is daft - why pay to be allowed public performance rights, and then tell you can't listen to it (or did he get a fine?)

As for each employee having their own radio - doesn't get around it unless they are wearing headphones....

Rick Astley

Stu,

We had a letter like this at the Chippy in St Annes on Tuesday.

I threw it in the bin, and carried on listening to my radio.

I have it low down now and only I can hear it. HONEST!!

If they come on the property without the permission of the owner surely they are trespassing so threaten them with that?

Tim

dojj

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i'd tell them to stop being daft cunts

but i fear that would have them claiming you were anti-lesbian or something

so your only option is to bin the letter and blame royal mail like everyone else does

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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What a joke, the radio should be free as the stations do pay to play the records !!

Playing music publically you have purchased is illegal technically... !


The night club I am involved with pays around Ł1100 per month to PPL (Performing rights).

COMEDY DAN

Agreed...... "Letter? What letter"..........................

discodenkelly

I bet the only reason this is happening these days is due to the change in how people buy music. More are downloading illegally aswell as legally so therefore the PRS are trying to find more ways to get the income that artists are due. Whether this is petty or not its always been the law.
I'm wondering if you do pay up, will they send the PRS round every month or so to log the songs that are being played like they do in nightclubs?? The fun I used to have with them years ago. They'd stand at the bar trying to write down all the tracks I was playing so I used to go mad and minute mix for about 20 minutes or so and see if the useless twats could keep up!!!

COMEDY DAN

I did this once at the Litten Tree in Northampton when the man came in to log the music.

I had to quickly stash my flight case with all my copies in to.... ggrrrrrrr

Mark Shead

Put a note up by the radio saying this is for my ears only and please dont listen works for Mc donalds with contents hot and burning people

Mark

COMEDY DAN

LOL Mark, me and Stu were only mocking Macdonalds last night, suprised they hadnt yet put a disclaimer on thier knives warning people they were sharp...lol

Mark Shead

That would have to be nextafter all who would want a blunt knife

Mark

SteveB

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If there are 3 of you buy 3 radios so you can all listen to your own radios on the same channel......

or fuck em not like anyone will actually check...lol

GTechR

My take on this is, as some other people have said...It's not a new law, just carry on until someone turns up, write the cheque and tell them to jog along with it up there ass!!

My missus used to work in a hairdressers and they got the same sorta thing, they could have the radio on, but only if was in the back for the staff, if it was loud enough for the customer to hear then it was illegal.

SiZT

leave it on in the workshop so you can only hear it in there, then if they try to walk into the workshop tell hem that its against health and safety laws for them to be in there without overalls, steel toe-capped boots, goggles and ear muffs!!

Andreas

We got similar laws over here but I dont know how strict they are towards small companies. Most radio stations are funded by commerciasl and they pay to play the song so why should you have to pay to listen to it as well? They get money from both ends which is kinda like PayPal and we know how much we love them.

Put up a sign that says "Within the premises, all customers have to wear ear plugs"

Ima Racing

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Should be in politics TBH as everyone wants a free ride in the UK

Johnny Knoxville

I put up a post about this subject

Most of us have ipods now and we also play CD's that we all chipped in for on iTunes so we all paid for the music we listen to now

Lee Reynolds

Could ya?

Lee Reynolds

How does that stop customers listening to it?

markk

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we have been paying it for over 3 years now stu, it sucks, but, i may just fook them off tbh, as if i only listen to the BBC radio stations then i already pay for that in my TV licence as the BBC is the only reason we pay a TV licence (plus the tax the government gets) what do you think ?

Billabong

TV licence doesn't cover 'public performance' though Mark....

Ginge !

stu if the radio is in the workshop AND the customers are NOT allowed in the work shop your covered mate !!!


if not what about radio on the internet ???, its not actual radio is it but a PC running,,we have this on one of our systems that runs the call counting as its got speakers for the peep so we have the virgin rock or something playing

Stu @ M Developments

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Thanks for all the replies. I think many people missed my point. (largely due to being badly written as i was busy at work, sorry. )


My point was, surely the radio stations are paying to air their show as a PUBLIC performance? So how come people can sit in my reception and listen to that show on their phone for free (Tracks played will have royalties paid for by, lets say radio 1), but if i have the same station coming out of a Radio audibly, in thE same building, I have to pay for the same guy to listen to it? It takes the piss IMO. Radio is free to air and always has been, so what difference does it make where its played?

Its not like i have the latest blockbuster playing on a pirate dvd in my receoption, is a radio for background noise only.

EIL132

It is an interesting law and one that does beggar belief. I worked for Capability Scotland 10 years ago and they were hit with the same for having radios in the buses....for disabled people! I cant remember how it worked but it did have to do with how many people were on the bus/could hear it. Needless to say a quick call and do you know how this will look in the papers soon made it disappear.

Billabong

Unfortunately, you're wrong Ginge (playing the radio for employees is classed as 'public performance').

I probably did miss your point Stu, regards them wanting two bites of the same cherry - it doesn't seem fair, but it's the way it is....