Ryan_3

ok I know I am being religion but pls bare with me! I am 18, I was a bit depressed about my health, I would say that i wish I wasnt born, but when I think about suicide, just thinking that I am not going to see gods face, caus eI have no right to kill myself just makes me shiver, and obviously the agony of my family.

P.S dont laugh about religion its my opinion, thankx

dunketh

No chance!
No matter how shitty life gets theres always something to live for.
I can only assume that folk who do commit suicide are somehow more mentally susceptible to it in the first place.

Anyone who thinks they have it bad enough to want to kill themselves really needs a reality check. Just watch the news for 10 minutes and you'll realise how rosy your life really is. There are whole families destroyed on a regular basis all over the world - and yet life goes on.

Lambchop

iTrader: (1)

no danger could i do it!

Matt Evans

Its easy for people to dismiss suicidal thoughts as the "cowards way out", "selfish" etc etc, but until people have experienced being at the very extreme of clinical depression, you have no idea how easy and right a decision like suicide is. Its often said that really truly depressed people suddenly have a lift in their mood, just before they kill themselves, because they are convinced that they have found the ideal solution to their problems, and it seems like the most common sense thing to do.

Its an awfully humbling experience when people recover from such episodes, because only when your mind becomes clear, do you realise how dark and desperate things can get, and then you can understand why people do it.

Its a horrible thing to get to that point, luckily most people do recover with help and support, and carry on to lead normal lives, the unfortunate ones dont.

T28 RST

Excellent reply

As its been said it is a selfish way out but you will never understand the way the person is feeling when they decide thier time is up.

Words cant describe it.

Ive been there, family, friends, other people that are trying to help you are doing there best but all you see is what you want to see, which is

NOTHING

Im still here but i wouldnt wish that state of mind on anyone as its a hellish place to be.

T28 RST

There is loads and loads of UNEDUCATED people who think suicide is either a cry fo rhelp or the selfish way out.


Its not

Others say life goes on and there is worse off than you, yes that is true but when your feeling at your lowest you can see an other problems around you.

I would say suicide is related to depression.

Depression which alot of people have but they dont want to admit it.

Im not on about, O fuck it ive just blown up my Cosworth type of disgusted depression.

Its real, you dont want/cant

Eat
Sleep
Socialise
Get up
Talk to people

Etc....

The ones that dont understand depression will reply as they have done in this post with

O it wouldnt be me, i couldnt do it.

You need to be in the state of mind before you can answer the topic title.

Davie

NEEDFORSPEED

i think this thread should be moved now under the circumstances . . . .

T28 RST

Prime example

Another uneducated person who hasnt got a clue what there saying.

I can only assume

Says it all


Mate look at the stickys at the top of the page, the poor guy in question R.I.P. had 3 stunning cars.

Looks like he had it all but in your eyes there is worse off arounfd the world

T28 RST

Moved where ???


There is already 2 pages.

Mr Orange

I have an ex girlfriend whom im still very close to, she has been suffering from depression for over 2 years, was on medication but she's stopped it as they made her feel funny. she doesnt talk to councillers when her parents take her to them.
Her current bf is a total control freaking cunt of a guy and has stopped her talking to most of her mates, hes contantly arguing with her as he hates and i mean truely hates her talking to me.
any pointers so i can help/be a shouler to cry/comfort on??
ill be honest and say im beside myself with worrying about her,
Pm me if you want to, im not fussed, im just looking for pointers to help her through what must be a living hell

Benni

You need to get him to punch you in the face, It's the only way. Don't hit him back, and tell her you didn't do so because you thought too much of her and her feelings. Out of interest, if you had the chance, would you get back with her?


Benni.

RUBY123

iTrader: (2)

until recently i agreed with the majority on this topic that i would never kill my self so did my friend a member oh his family killed them selves and he said he would never do that to his kids and family but a few months later he also took his own life. the very same person who said he would never do that to his kids obviously we all say we wouldn't never do it in a million years but these people who take there own lives are not of sound mind and in a way are powerless to stop them selves

T28 RST

From what you have said

It sounds like she doesnt want to help helself if she is refusing treatment.

Opening up to the Doctor is the hardest thing ive ever had to do but when you realise they are listening and not dismissing the probelem.

Depression is a cruel thing, the lady in question will feel she is loved by the guy but also she will want to get away from him.

Time and time again she will go back as she sees it as a safe place to be.

Sounds wierd but its true.

Mate im only over the road in Viewpark.

If you can take her to Wishaw A+E and get her seen with the on call Psychiatrist, they will talk to her and ases her mental state.

PM me if you need anymore info

Davie

T28 RST

Very true mate

I wouldnt say there powerless but all they can see in front of them is NOTHING, they cant see a way out no matter whos trying to help them.

It is a very missunderstodd illness that loads will never understand but they will always know some one who has commited suicide.

RAT8OY

The mind is a extremely complex! NOBODY knows the ins and outs of it!

Depression is a horrible thing, rational thought does not always come into it. Alot of people honestly think they are doing the very best thing they can by ridding their family of the very cause (in their mind) of the burden that constantly hounds them!

T28 RST

Looking through the post again we see

I could never do it

How do you know you wouldnt do it ????

Have you ever been in that state of mind ?????


Its FAR to easy to pass judgement on others when you really havnt got a clue what there feeling.

Rs Baz

was going to quote 2 others but this come up best for my reply

have any of you been in that state of mind shut it if you havent its your mind not what you want to do ive been in this state for 7 years and yes id do it..

7 years of hanging on to the past i keep saying it will get better it doesnt and it isnt as stu has said its in the mind, i help others out do things for them but allways get shit on ive been known to be a nice helpfull guy but no one gives a fooking shit about the hard time's ive had there not one there for me..

my best mate the only one that would do anything for me has got cancer really bad what happends if he goes yet again another break down .......

ive had help it didnt work and just left it .....

Benni

I guess it's a little like when you swear blind you wouldn't shag a fat person. Then, when your horney you do so and regret it as soon as you orgasm as you knew it was wrong.

Benni.

T28 RST

Sorry mate

I dont understand who this post is aimed at ???

Yes i have been in that stae of mind many a time but im still here.

morcheen

that sums it up for me too.

T28 RST

Very true mate but

You have never suffered the illness of depression.

Really you need to know whats going through the persons mind to think of this coawards way of ending there life.

You will never know until you you put yourself in that position.

Basilcly its the people who dont understand the illness and the people who dont want to understand it

T28 RST

Matt J

You can see why i get annoyed when the ones that dont understand the illness say,

It will be alright
Pull yourself together
There is worse people off in the world than you

Are these people thinking what your thinking

NO

There thinking what the think they know, nothing else.

15D

Unless you have never experienced severe clinical depression you can't dismiss the idea of seriously contemplating suicide imo.
The very nature of mental health problems is to have irrational thoughts and actions that are totally out of character.
*EVERYBODY* is capable of suicide given the wrong set of circumstances and state of mind.
I personally wouldn't/couldn't live if, for example, I was paralysed or a vegatable after a crash or a stroke etc.
Its a quality of life not quantity issue for me.

Andreas

When I was younger I couldnt understand why people even thought about killing themselfs. Now that im older I can understand why people have these thougts.Would I? Hell, no, even at the lousiest of times life is just too good to miss out on.

Mr Orange

Hi davie,

Ive came to realise that vey same thing, it does sound like she doesnt want help, she says she will be fine and just has to get on with things, i told her to go to the docs and get different pills that would help her but not have the side effects that she has been having.
the guy is a total cunt, when i found out she said, "i dont want you feeling bad about it" in truth i didnt feel bad about it. i was angry though and felt like drawing my fist off the guys face
she doesnt stay in our area though so getting her to wishaw is unrealistic sadly.

ps, you already know me from another site, the names Alan, you work in my village (chapelhall). shame you broke the erst before taking me a spin in it.

Benni: yes mate i would go back out with her, she has said a few times that she misses me and the fun times we shared together and i feel that the current guy is almost stopping her getting help

BigErn

As has been said previously, those who say "no way" etc are only saying what they feel now. I always thought the same until I ended up in the depressed state of mind, I shut everyone and everything out of my world. I locked myself away for days at a time, cut myself, cried and hoped every time I went to sleep I wouldnt wake up. I often thought the world would be a much nicer place without me, the only thing that kept me from taking that final step was knowing the devastation it would cause to my mother.
Once I finally started to pick up again and I was in control again I not long after recieved a phone call telling me an ex girlfriend, whom Im still good friends with, was in hospital after trying to take her life.
That kicked me into touch a bit and now Im pretty good most of the time, only now and again do I spiral down to the lower levels but it doesnt last long, even at really hard times.

You cant pass comment without being or having been in the state of mind that drives you to these thoughts. IMO

Karl 3dr

iTrader: (9)

I've got to agree with Stu really, this is a pretty pointless thread, people in a normal, healthy mental state are going to have no idea of the thoughts or the feelings of desperation that must occur that can make you feel that taking your own life is the only option.

And for those who turn around and say that its the "cowards way out" have obviously never been truly depressed.

This is a subject that i am all too familiar with at the moment because my mum has attempted to take her own life twice in the last year.

Part of me feels quite angry at my mum for being so selfish and not thinking about what effect it has had on others, but the other part of me knows that she must have been really desperate to feel that this was the only way out.

I have suffered from depression myself and know the desperation that it brings and i dont want to go there EVER again.

Rod-Tarry

Looking at me now noone would have any idea that 20 years ago I colapased into clinical depression, I was working 70+ hours a week & took no notice of the first signs, then a total collapse. If you have not been there you simply cannot under stand the despair, I had everything but was in total despair. It took 15 long months of medication to pull out of it.
Even now I sometimes panic that its starting again because it is as bad as people who have been there say. Mine was diagnosed as lack or seratonin in the brain & I have to take tablets every day for life.

T28 RST

Loads of good posts here and LOADS of uneducated replies

It just shows thats the illness is widespead with the ammount of people saying i did this or i know someone that did it but there is LOADS of people out there who dont want to know as the sigma of being depressed is to much for them.

fuzzy

i would say i would never commit suicide because of leaving my kids but having witnessed a very good friend who was in my class from primary school and who fought side by side with me in the gang battles in one of edinburghs toughest housing schemes,so who was a tough guy being struck down with depression and mental problems that resulted in him being locked in hospital for a while who can honestly say they would never get that bad as to consider it?
he was the sort of person i wouldnt think would ever be effected that way.

kurdt5

Being a Staff nurse on an emergency medical unit I get alot of people who have attempted suicide...some attention seeking and some really genuine cases.

The real one's who have gone for it big time really have sunk low and its almost 80% impossible to pull yourself back to enjoying life again, I can see why people do it, personally it would take a lot for me to do it.

Word of advice...Paracetomol isnt the take some go to bed and not wake scenario TV makes out...it takes a good 2-3 days till they destroy your liver then you have organ failure and a have cardiac arrest.....had a bloke do it......4 cardiac arrests before being flown to london for a liver transplant...amazing to say he is alive today!!

st3v3

i knew 3 people who have commited suicide,one my bosses relative who,while his wife went to the toilet whilst they were both having breakfast decided to cut his own throat with the bread knife,when she come down he was dead already.

The 2nd was a mates girlfriend who went and sat on the train tracks one night,the 3rd was a ex-girlfriend of mine who decided pills was the answer for the way out.

The family were devistated by these suicides and still suffer due to them.

IMO people who do this to them selves are in an extremely terrible state of mind to get to the point of wanting to kill themselves,i feel sorry for them,but then i feel sorry for the people they leave bihind to clear up the mess.

T28 RST

Very true

I learned the hard way after swallowing 160 of them , it was 17 hours later they got me to hospital.

The doctors thought i was lying about the ammount i took until they saw the blood test results

2 weeks in hospital going from emergancy care unit in Wishaw general (3 days) to the High depenancy ward in Edinburgh Royal (5 days) then back to Wishaw(4 days in emerdancy care and 2 days in a ward).

The worst bit was the blood tests every 4 hours, the blood gas test in your palm side of your wrist was the worst, my 2 hands and forarms were black when i came out of the hospital.

Not a thing i will do again.

Ive got a second chance and im going to make the most of it

Ima Racing

iTrader: (1)

..one of my staff is on Prozac and has been for 22years she reckons it saved her life.......which is good as she is a good worker..LOL....i can see from her its a cruel illness

Rod you seem to have been thru a lot in your life!!!!!..depressed/asthma etc.

Magic Numbers

Most who say they are going to do it never do!

I have a so called friend who keeps threatening his g/f with it and some of his so called friends, its all attention seeking in this case! Stupid thing is the g/f gives into him and buys/pays or do something to make her feel bad for his behalf! Suicide can be genuine as stated above but saying it and actually doing is 2 different things

T28 RST

To true mate.

This so called mate is a knobas if he was in the state of mind to even think it he would have done it by now.

Saying and doing it are totally different.

Give the guy a slap and tell him to pull himself together as thats the ones that need to

Ima Racing

iTrader: (1)

..the only people in life you have to be aware of are the ones that DONT use internet forums ROFL

Magic Numbers

Trust me I have wanted to time and time again slap the fuck out of him but its simply not in my nature! I'm sure one day there will be the final straw. He never fucking listenes, his views out rules others and he never seems to think of anyone else bar himself! his g/f is turning into the same sort of person he is and we keep telling her it! You just cannot tell peoples these days or even slap it into them! I suppose he must feel guilty after that knowing he would leave a 7 year old child behind Fatherless! I have said to him when he has threatened it, and most seems to be by text to his g/f, to just get on with it and stop bothering us with his petty shit. None the less he just keeps coming back and whiging that no one helps him!