ImaRacing 700

Ok...so many will say that BD10s give a lower torque over BHP figure..well here i will prove you WRONG.

Say at 2BAR held i get 430BHP....BUT i spike at 2.3bar up until 6000rpm.....how come you can FEEL the extra boost lower down?...Like it feels like a hand pushes you then you can feel it drop off to the 430BHP @ peak revs for turbo.

So with this then SURELY as it is deffo feeling more power at that RPM,torque figure will have to be higher the the actual held peak figure?

SPADGE

Any dyno/rolling road figures to back up your claims yet Phil?
Thought not

Mike Rainbird

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Phil,
Even an idiot like you should be able to see the flaws in your arguement - where are the back to back tests with the standard / different cams? .

FFS Why don't you borrow a set of standard cams and see what YOU really think .

ImaRacing 700

Mike all i am saying is that surely if you can feel the power from the boost spike and then tail off to the held..surely it MUST have a higher torque than BHP rating?

Thus saying that my 430BHP would NOT have a lower torque figure than that unless it was 2bar held all the way to the line..with no peak

Not denying that std cams would maybe give even more torque..but less top end

Disabled Account

At last Phil - you are talking sense

Matt

i never lent you the patented ass dyno phil

ImaRacing 700

Matt

If you can FEEL the low down surge of power via the spike you MUST have more torque than BHP surely!

Yes Doug but youd loose on top end power

ImaRacing 700

Come on Mike tell me i am wrong

Jim Galbally

erm....no

to realise where you are going wrong you need to realise the following

1) what RPM means 1) what torque means 3) how both these arrive to form Power

also i dont understand why you're saying that becasue you get a boost hit low down that means your BD10s are better? when you openly admit that that same hit would be MORE if you used std cams

also just coz you got more peak torque thn peak bhp doesnt mean shit to anything... my dads 1.8 derv rover thing has more torque than bhp... does that make it a fast road car?

foreigneRS

if you measure your torque in lb.inches rather than lb.ft then yes, the number will be higher

this is probably the biggest load of clap trap that you have ever "published"

Mike Rainbird

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Phil, here's an analogy we would all like to be reality :

Unless I hit you with a bat TWICE how would you be able to tell which one was harder than the other .

ImaRacing 700

So i am right then........

As said in another post mike said i would have less torque than bhp....i disagree because the boost spike with the high comp would give more torque than bhp...regardless of cams..thats the point.

foreigneRS

blablablablablablablablablablablabla

turbinator

eek .. didnt stu delete him a while ago

foreigneRS

we're waiting for the PROOF

Jim Galbally

just becasue youve got bost spike does not in any way shape or form mean you have more torque than bhp...

infact its an impossible comment to make. its like saying "i had eggs for breakfast so that means it's going to rain"

ImaRacing 700

I just now realise that Jim phones/mails Stu like mike does harvey...ROFL

On my particular build my torque rating will be higher than bhp.....not talking about anyone elses engines!

Jim Galbally

well youre in a position to be able to tell becasue you know the parameters of the engine (and know what the map looks like)

we're not becasue we dont know what your engine does topend...

hoever youre making a sweeping statement about BD10s and also about engines producing more torque than bhp blah blah coz of bost spikes...

that's a false statement to make

i asume you have realised why by now?

rememebr, youcan increase peak bhp without affecting peak torque in any way whatsoever...

also peak figures mean feck all really... its the graphs that actually mean something

ImaRacing 700

Yes they will in certain specced engines!...Not lo comp though.....i am talking about mine only and that i run BD10's.

Jim Galbally

thats a sweeping statement tho...

It's Czech Mate

Just Dyno it so we can all see WTF you are on about.

respect for the self build/map tho

as much if not more respect for people that helped you too.

You've given all members plenty to read and think about!

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gurnE

Well, I like my BD10s

Got more torque than the rear wheels can handle and the car pulls much stronger to the redline than it was without

Plus the exhaust cam makes it fookin noisy

Mike Rainbird

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Oh look out, another "arse dyno-ist"*

*Like "piss-artist", but not as drunk .

ImaRacing 700

Sorry guys i am now part NMS...so ass dynos RULE.

Fagin

Look @ Del's RR print out on my thread about my power run Phil!!! Then tell me BD10's give you the torque you think they will (as Del was running BD10's at this point until he changed them).

Mike Rainbird

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The great Imatrukahs sells out - your hero will be turning in his grave .

ImaRacing 700

Fagin...VERY different engine!

Mike...not at all even he would go near rollers! ..It must be something to do with when i first met you and someone said you was a hair dresser..put me off rollers for life

Mike Rainbird

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If he WOULD, why won't YOU

ImaRacing 700

Sorry wouldnt....just showing how easy mistakes are

alan rainbow

PHILL what about running a bd 10 inlet and a standard exhaust what happens to the torqe bhp then

Uncle Henry

anyone care to explain how my T34 7.4:1 engine made 388bhp and 395lb/ft @ 28 psi with BD10's on engine advantages rollers then?

and yes I do have the graph if you want it scanning in!

ImaRacing 700

No they domt want to know as bd10's are shit

Mike Rainbird

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Because those rollers are KNOWN to exagerate both torque AND power . 485bhp on four 403s? .

gearboxman

Mathematics are on Phil's side up to 5252rpm

Stu @ M Developments

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