500bhp how much?
19-02-2008, 09:40 AM
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TBH I wouldnt be able to tell from driving a car if it was 530 or 550 bhp from 1 day to the next, so I dont really see the big deal about it, everything else Lee said was spot on 
Only thing I disagree with a little is that I suspect he underestimates the difference of 2.2
Only thing I disagree with a little is that I suspect he underestimates the difference of 2.2
19-02-2008, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I didn't say you did, but people on here are - one of whom is known to be your "spokes-person" 
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He may not be far off, anyhow we may know what power it has sooner rather than later
19-02-2008, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
TBH I wouldnt be able to tell from driving a car if it was 530 or 550 bhp from 1 day to the next, so I dont really see the big deal about it, everything else Lee said was spot on
Only thing I disagree with a little is that I suspect he underestimates the difference of 2.2
Only thing I disagree with a little is that I suspect he underestimates the difference of 2.2
19-02-2008, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Only thing I disagree with a little is that I suspect he underestimates the difference of 2.2
STOP FOOKING ABOUT WITH PONY LITTLE 4POTS and get a PROPER ENGINE!
Big capacity V8s or Twin Turbo flat 6's ROCK
The guy was clearly asking with a certain budget in mind... rather than saying whats the absolute money no object YB I can build... hence my advice. Standard Cossie Cranks and rods are pretty awesome when you think they are just that.. STANDARD! Its two of the things that make the YB still such a cool little engine. Might as well use em unless you REALLY need a 600bhp+ monster... which he isn't asking for.
19-02-2008, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I didn't say you did, but people on here are - one of whom is known to be your "spokes-person" .
.I think its more though
19-02-2008, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Lee, if I put another engine in my sierra rather than just break it for parts (not sure which to do later on yet) I'll be going for 8 cylinders definately 
19-02-2008, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Martin, do you have published costs for a basic stroker kit with slightly oversized pistons, as I suspect Lee might be surprised how cheaply a capacity increase can actually be done in a normal block? (ie not your tallblock engine)
19-02-2008, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Martin, do you have published costs for a basic stroker kit with slightly oversized pistons, as I suspect Lee might be surprised how cheaply a capacity increase can actually be done in a normal block? (ie not your tallblock engine)
Thats about what I was expecting, so not really all that much given the cost of the build anyway.
20-30% extra, for something SO much better at the end of it, seems like good value to me.
Especially as assuming you dont totally trash the crank, it means no extra cost on successive rebuilds anyway.
19-02-2008, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It would be great if Kelv had his mapped on the dyno, as then that spec of engine could definitely sold as a 5XXbhp conversion 
As long as the engine makes ME happy (and after speaking to Doug, I have NO FEAR it will).......I couldnt give a shite what it makes!
19-02-2008, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by stu21t
what do people rekon i will make power wise with
200 block (std bolts atm but should i change to long studs?)
unsure what comp ratio im running but believe it to be low comp.
std crank and rods,
lightly ported head,
bd10 & bd14 cams,
4x4 inlet with plenum spacer,
universal turbos T38 turbo,
std 2wd sump,
greys or seimens black injectors? greys ive got seimens id have to buy,
wrc headgasket?
green L8 ecu mapped by karl/stu?
and what do you think i should change to improve the spec?
would like over 450bhp
200 block (std bolts atm but should i change to long studs?)
unsure what comp ratio im running but believe it to be low comp.
std crank and rods,
lightly ported head,
bd10 & bd14 cams,
4x4 inlet with plenum spacer,
universal turbos T38 turbo,
std 2wd sump,
greys or seimens black injectors? greys ive got seimens id have to buy,
wrc headgasket?
green L8 ecu mapped by karl/stu?
and what do you think i should change to improve the spec?
would like over 450bhp
I have 2 14's, the ST ecos inlet and siemens 83's. It was built with 6 long studs and mls gasket
19-02-2008, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by WD Pro
Originally Posted by stu21t
what do people rekon i will make power wise with
200 block (std bolts atm but should i change to long studs?)
unsure what comp ratio im running but believe it to be low comp.
std crank and rods,
lightly ported head,
bd10 & bd14 cams,
4x4 inlet with plenum spacer,
universal turbos T38 turbo,
std 2wd sump,
greys or seimens black injectors? greys ive got seimens id have to buy,
wrc headgasket?
green L8 ecu mapped by karl/stu?
and what do you think i should change to improve the spec?
would like over 450bhp
200 block (std bolts atm but should i change to long studs?)
unsure what comp ratio im running but believe it to be low comp.
std crank and rods,
lightly ported head,
bd10 & bd14 cams,
4x4 inlet with plenum spacer,
universal turbos T38 turbo,
std 2wd sump,
greys or seimens black injectors? greys ive got seimens id have to buy,
wrc headgasket?
green L8 ecu mapped by karl/stu?
and what do you think i should change to improve the spec?
would like over 450bhp
I have 2 14's, the ST ecos inlet and siemens 83's. It was built with 6 long studs and mls gasket
19-02-2008, 02:05 PM
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Mike- i also think its good to get proof of power but as im still in the build stage then i cant (yet)
Just want to clarify. I dont plan on the being a pub spokesman, if my engine doesnt make the bhp im looking for then ill keep going till it does.
I went for gt35 so it would not be at the peak of its power.
Just want to clarify. I dont plan on the being a pub spokesman, if my engine doesnt make the bhp im looking for then ill keep going till it does.
I went for gt35 so it would not be at the peak of its power.
19-02-2008, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
It will make big power, thats easy.
Making it drive nice too is the hard bit.
Making it drive nice too is the hard bit.
a less crazy example would be my old saff.....had a T38 and i was gonna push it to about 450bhp.
It happens that i sold it on and replaced it with a 3dr, fitted with a t34 that was mapped to run 34 psi...probably around 380bhp genuine.
It was sooooo much more fun to drive than the T38 car, and the only difference would have been from 130mph onwards.
i reckon it'd be a similar situation with your choices.
19-02-2008, 02:21 PM
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The driving nice bit was why i may be going with the autronics, ive been told it cmpletely transforms the way big power cosworths drive.
lets face it it isnt going to be fantastic to drive anyway, its a 20 year old ford that was made to have 230 hp.
i dont know how many of you do but im not planning on driving to scotland in it. im planning on it being an out and out animal. being able to beat all the people in their
E55 Kompressors
And my dads in his M5.
if im honest thats all im really aiming for. i know a lot of you aim for more but ill be happy if i can do that and have a nice project/toy at the same time
ps And if its shit and slow/laggy then ill sell the 35 and but a 30. Strieght swap no problems.
lets face it it isnt going to be fantastic to drive anyway, its a 20 year old ford that was made to have 230 hp.
i dont know how many of you do but im not planning on driving to scotland in it. im planning on it being an out and out animal. being able to beat all the people in their
E55 Kompressors
And my dads in his M5.
if im honest thats all im really aiming for. i know a lot of you aim for more but ill be happy if i can do that and have a nice project/toy at the same time
ps And if its shit and slow/laggy then ill sell the 35 and but a 30. Strieght swap no problems.
19-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
The driving nice bit was why i may be going with the autronics, ive been told it cmpletely transforms the way big power cosworths drive.
You may have been TOLD. but why not drive or experience some. You maybe spending a few grand that you REALLY don't have to!
In my experience Level 8 works just as well. If not better!
19-02-2008, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
. being able to beat all the people in their
E55 Kompressors
And my dads in his M5.
if im honest thats all im really aiming for.
E55 Kompressors
And my dads in his M5.
if im honest thats all im really aiming for.
19-02-2008, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by beanhead
i gotta agree wiv mike wiv a gt30 wen runnin high boost
you get alot of back pressure even goin up 2 a .8 and 1 exaust
housing
good for a nice 500 bhp tho
(btw thats wiv tubular manifold and external wastegate nt sure if it makes a difference)
you get alot of back pressure even goin up 2 a .8 and 1 exaust
housing
good for a nice 500 bhp tho
(btw thats wiv tubular manifold and external wastegate nt sure if it makes a difference)
19-02-2008, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch_Dealer
...yes big v8's are my scene too from my 3.4 n/a to the 5.4 supercharged
4 cylinders a tonne isnt enough
19-02-2008, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
The guy was clearly asking with a certain budget in mind... rather than saying whats the absolute money no object YB I can build... hence my advice. Standard Cossie Cranks and rods are pretty awesome when you think they are just that.. STANDARD! Its two of the things that make the YB still such a cool little engine. Might as well use em unless you REALLY need a 600bhp+ monster... which he isn't asking for.
dont know what i have started here lol! as said before, there was no real budget, i just did'nt want it to go spiraling out of control as we all know it can! I just wanted an engine with a lot of low down grunt and generally a bit of fun for the track and still to be used on the road if i wanted. Not into chasing figures, just a bit of fun! as said there is no exact BHP i wanted, just round about 450 -500bhp, any more is a bonus and as stated, i probably would'nt notice a 30 -40bhp difference driving it - i am no pro!! :
19-02-2008, 09:19 PM
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not being funny but theres only so much difference the magement makes to the way the car drives it cant make a well set up engine say running a sorted l8 run that much better.you normaly spec your engine around your management if your going for the norm on injectors and inlet plenums then you dont need any better than a l8 but if your gonna go for throttle bodies or similar or high impedence injectors then you have to start thinking better management.imho and for the money i think you would be better of with pi t6 2000 or even better f88 rs management the f88 is cheaper and better than autronics and t6 is arguebly better also not slating autronics because it does its job but just think its well overpriced but for said conversion save that cash and go for the stroker kit and stick with l8...........danny@abcmotorsport
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