alan12112

what do people think?

I've been looking into getting a focus RS as they are one of my fav cars but they just seem to be overpriced to me compared to the focus st's!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/lis...ist=&nodays=60

Here's an example you can have a 50k 5yr old focus rs or a 11k focus st-2 which is a little over 1 year old for the same money!

Obv I know they are RS and you get the kudos points and they look 1 million times nicer than the St's but I just can't justify those kind of prices or ignore the less milage etc


What do people think?

Are Focus RS' overpriced? Or what?

It's Czech Mate

No - Supply and demand sets prices, if they wer all overpriced they'd never sell

Lambchop

iTrader: (1)

Whats your budget mate?

Guy at work is selling one. It always loks vgc and he's constantly cleaning it. Its an 03 with less than 30k on the clock i think. Dont speak to him much so not 100% on the car or price. Only mod i can see is tinted windows. always looks nice tho!

Let me know if you want me to ask him anything.

chop

alan12112

If you look at the dates they were put on PH Mondeo Man you'll see that they've been on for quite a while - maybe they aren't selling?

SassyRS

Im probably biased here

the RS is a totally different car tbh to the ST, so it depends on what your looking for to start with.

But the RS is a fantastic car and is worth whatever someone is willing to pay (within reason)

But i think 11-14k is usually the 'norm'..



you do get a lot of car for your money compared to other cars of the same value.(ford wise)

It's Czech Mate

Is Pistonheads your only market research, maybe they all have little niggles.

See how quick they go through the autotraderwebsite, or see how fast Junction28 run them through the forecourt

A decent well lookedafter low mileage car will always fetch strong money in the RS world

alan12112

The trader is the same Matt so I dont know what to think!

I know that but these 40k+ ones are the same price as st-2's and some st-3's?

Don't you think that seems strange?

alan12112

Is it though? Don't they have the same 0-60 etc? give or take 0.1 of a sec, both the same size etc

I thought they were quite similair really - it's just the looks of the new st letting it down (lol)

gingeRS

thay can be had VERY VERY cheap if you know where to look



dead happy with mine

prices do seem to be falling on them at the minute, so now is the time to buy

in my experience most cars on pistonheads seem to be a little overpriced, but as they say, you get what you pay for

gingeRS

nope It has an RS badge, it is a limited edition, only 4500 made, and it has different body panels to the standard production focus

the ST (arguably still a great car) isn't limited edition, doesnt look much different from the rest of the focus range and will suffer with depreciation much more, as they have already anounced the focus mk3 ST

alan12112

How much?

Where from PM me!!!

Diseasel

RS focus for that hard rally feel, the ST for creature comforts and effortless pace with a 5pot burble

Magic Numbers

Certainly over priced for a FWD Turbocharged Ford!

Alps Pacino

As a ford yes they are, forget about all this mimited edition shite and think about what you could get for the same money. Imo a leon cupra r is a better car especially for the money

alan12112

Yeah I was looking at those aswell like the sound of the 1.8t - by brother in law had on with 270bhp - went like a ricket ship aswell!! He had a few problems with traction though

But at the end of the day I wanna keep it in the ford family (for now)

RsToy

definatley not over priced.....years down the line they will still be worth money....where-as the st will be worth two bob.

like any car...its not what there worth its wether thats the car for you and you are willing to pay the going rate.

Alps Pacino

the frs i more like a series2 escort in comparison and i would hardly say they are worth good money

gingeRS

why are they a better car???

alan12112

Prob cos they are quite similair in specs but one is abit cheaper and faster and you can have more than 1 colour?

ryan_belfast

Well having both an ST and RS in my household I can comment on this one...

My dad owns a Focus ST and I own a Focus RS... To be honest I love when I get a chance to drive his ST... Its so much more of a nicer car to drive, far easier to live with everyday... Power is near enuf instant on it and its got a lot of poke (bluefin, decat and downpipe) and certainly can keep up with the big boys..

Would I swap my focus rs for it?

Would I fook... The RS is in a completely different league to the ST... The ST is a massive big heavy boat, the RS feels small, nimble and just eats up corners like you wouldnt believe... put a few right mods on and the RS comes a live... makes everyday driving an experience again and having driven quite a few cars in my short time in driving its good to have a car that excites you everytime you get in it!

It's Czech Mate

Apart from the fact that a cupra is slower ( standard vs standard ) and handles worse and will depreciate much more, altho the interior is a bit nicer

I totally agree

fordsportjay

iTrader: (6)

if you shop around you can get focus rs' for decent money.

nothing like an escort rs turbo! great car to drive-shame they only did them in one colour though.

will hold their money quite well due to the fact they made 4500 and there wont be any more.

alan12112

So it is Matt - I always thought a LCR was just as quick (if not quicker than a FRS and I stand corrected )

Although I actually feel that the interor in the FRS is nicer! - Dont feel we'll ever agree on anything

alan12112

Thanks Ryan that was a great little review - just what I needed

But taking things into consideration would you rather have a 1 yr old st-2 with 11.5k on the clock or a 5yr old FRS with 40k on the clock?

Baring in mind this is only going to be a toy for me as I now have a daily 320i company car to run about in

Alps Pacino

In the real world a frs and lcr would be near enough the same in straight line pace, i will explain my reasonings for those who asked why i sat the leon is better

For a lot less money you get a coupe with 200bhp+ with loads of tuning scope
nice interior
18" wheels
brembo brakes
5 doors so a lot more suitable for someone with a child over a frs
and the most important thing imo there a lot cheaper than a frs.

The only thng you are buying extra with a focus rs is the rs badge which imo on the back of a focus hardly has the same nostalger as on the back of a 3 door cosworth or even series 1 turbo

I'm not saying the focus rs is shit but saying for less money there are better cars which is the case with most rs's especially the escort cosworth

Nash

iTrader: (3)

alan12112
Explain to me why Escort Cossies still cost what they do and they havnt been made for well over a decade.

Alps Pacino

Nash

Because they are a homologation rally bred car unlike the frs which is more like a series2 rs turbo imo

Nash

iTrader: (3)

Thats not the reason at all mate. Its because people will still pay that for them as there a limited edition car and more exclusive than an EVO/Scooby, so they get priced accordingly.

It's Czech Mate

So basically you're saying its better because its a cheaper 5 door

ps. Roflol at 'coupe' its a hot hatch


pps If you add depreciation into the equation come resale time do you really think the SEAT will be cheaper, if you kept if for say 3-5 years?

Me neither.

Plus the FRS totally outhandles the SEAT and has just as easy power upgrades. I'm not a Ford Blinkered fan but a decent FRS is a blinding car

gingeRS

dont get me wrong though the leon is a nice car but we are still talking 8K+ for a late cupra R, and my FRS wasnt much more than that!!

Lambchop

iTrader: (1)

Aren't all Rs's overpriced?

Nash

iTrader: (3)

Not just me who gets this aswell then Chop

gingeRS

especially saffs when you consider you can buy a 1990 renault 21 turbo quadra for a little under 1k


<real tears>

Lambchop

iTrader: (1)

look at esc cossie v celica gt4 or the like. somehting similar from the same year.

at the end of the day these are old fords!

im not complaining like just pointing it out

i reckon saffs are holding value well just now so im ok for now


ginge
who wants to be like Lee 21 tho?
id be happy if i never saw a quadra again after our ring trip last yr

alan12112

Nash who ever said anything about esc cossies? they are a completely different car

But if you wanna yeah I do think they are also overpriced - 16k for a car that needs to be cheked every time you take the key out of the ignition?

Whats wrong with paying 16k for a 330bhp evo or scooby that has alot better reliability (I know they have to be serviced every 4000 miles but at least they dont go bang all day every day)



Anyway BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE GUYS!!

alan12112

ginge how the hell did you get a decent FRS for 8k?

And where teh hell from?

Nash

iTrader: (3)

alan12112
You didnt get the point of my reply mate. FRS's are priced as they are as people will pay that for them, same as they do for an Escos.

alan12112

I saw that Nash but what i'm saying is - with the announcement of the new focus RS coming out and the fact that you can getter a 'better' focus ST for 12k dont you think they should cost less than they do?

gingeRS

give me one reason why an EVO is any more reliable than an RS?? a Car is only as good as its owner

i have owned a 2 escort rs turbos, and neither of them would i consider an unreliable car

i owned a saff for almost 2 years that never broke down, and never gave me any trouble

and now have a focus RS, just checked over by SCC and have been told all is well, even after 90k +

Kev.H

Look how long the last RS took to happen dont hold ya breath RS due to its following will allways hold better money