Gearbox options - RST
08-02-2008, 09:09 PM
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Gearbox options - RST
In the not too distant future, I will be looking at a power increase on my Escort but the box I have won't last I dont think (well I know 
)
The new box will need to take around 350bhp and around 400 ft/lb of torque.
I dont really want to fit a mk5 rs2000 box as this involves cutting the chassis, but have heard that it might be possible to fit rs2000 internals into a s1/s1 box chassis
Is there any other options I have?
) The new box will need to take around 350bhp and around 400 ft/lb of torque.
I dont really want to fit a mk5 rs2000 box as this involves cutting the chassis, but have heard that it might be possible to fit rs2000 internals into a s1/s1 box chassis
Is there any other options I have?
08-02-2008, 09:26 PM
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Dingy, no the boost wasnt turned down
And if I do hike the power, I will need to be speaking to brom etc for ways in which the handling can be improved to aid traction etc, maybe get road legal slicks
Christian, Im sure somewhere was doing mods to the standard box chassis, grinding out of the inside to get the gearset in
Cant remember where, possibly Warleydaddy told me
And if I do hike the power, I will need to be speaking to brom etc for ways in which the handling can be improved to aid traction etc, maybe get road legal slicks
Christian, Im sure somewhere was doing mods to the standard box chassis, grinding out of the inside to get the gearset in
Cant remember where, possibly Warleydaddy told me
08-02-2008, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu.H
And if I do hike the power, I will need to be speaking to brom etc for ways in which the handling can be improved to aid traction etc, maybe get road legal slicks
08-02-2008, 09:32 PM
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Stu
Just get an MTX and then get an MEF suspension setup
I dunno why you're bothered about chopping the chassis slightly? Its hardly original RS concourse car.
It will be awesome with the above mods, totally awesome
Just get an MTX and then get an MEF suspension setup
I dunno why you're bothered about chopping the chassis slightly? Its hardly original RS concourse car.
It will be awesome with the above mods, totally awesome
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08-02-2008, 09:54 PM
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But it's an expensive conversion and how much stronger is the MTX in reality? Who has really pushed one?
It looked like close to £2k to me using Jano's bits, including the Quaife diff. That's alot of money if its not a certainty.
We can supply and fit a full OS-Giken 5 speed gearkit including shafts to a 200SX for only a little more than that.
It looked like close to £2k to me using Jano's bits, including the Quaife diff. That's alot of money if its not a certainty.
We can supply and fit a full OS-Giken 5 speed gearkit including shafts to a 200SX for only a little more than that.
08-02-2008, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
christain
they have survied 300+ bhp no problom with constant abuse
marco
they have survied 300+ bhp no problom with constant abuse
marco
To spend that kind of money on a conversion and still break boxes would be a pisser. That's the reason I haven't done it. Seeing the gearsets side-by-side just didn't inspire me.
08-02-2008, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by marco polo
christain
they have survied 300+ bhp no problom with constant abuse
marco
they have survied 300+ bhp no problom with constant abuse
marco
To spend that kind of money on a conversion and still break boxes would be a pisser. That's the reason I haven't done it. Seeing the gearsets side-by-side just didn't inspire me.
hi christian
well it's 6 of one and half dozen of the other , they will either buy and uprated box of fit an mtx75 which is hell of alot stronger than uprated rst box
theres noway the rst boys will spend 2+k on a box, no fooking way
btw Kennys rs2000 had well over 350 bhp and he never had any probs with the mtx75
marco
08-02-2008, 10:07 PM
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MT285 Getrag 6 speed.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
08-02-2008, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sas
MT285 Getrag 6 speed.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
have you fitted that in a rst ??????
marco
08-02-2008, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
Originally Posted by sas
MT285 Getrag 6 speed.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
have you fitted that in a rst ??????
marco
S.
08-02-2008, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by M K
Originally Posted by marco polo
theres noway the rst boys will spend 2+k on a box, no fooking way
marco
mk
fooking fair play to you theres not that many that would spent that kind of money on a box only the die hard cases
they would rather spend that kind of money on shiny bits
08-02-2008, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sas
Originally Posted by marco polo
Originally Posted by sas
MT285 Getrag 6 speed.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
No chassis to cut, just weld on brackets.
Had my Getrag box to bits alongside a GTO Getrag box and the gears, bearings and shafts are the same size (big). GTO box good for well over 500bhp.
Clutch, flywheel, diff, shafts, box = £2500
Its another option?
S.
have you fitted that in a rst ??????
marco
S.
stu
there you go thats what you need mate
pm this guy
08-02-2008, 10:14 PM
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2k for a bullet (mullett ) proof box I would rather pay than buy umpteen other boxes at 1k+ each
I do have a perfectly good quaife atb diff in my box at the moment
No, it isnt an RS, but concorse? Probably...
) proof box I would rather pay than buy umpteen other boxes at 1k+ eachI do have a perfectly good quaife atb diff in my box at the moment
I dunno why you're bothered about chopping the chassis slightly? Its hardly original RS concourse car.
08-02-2008, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
I'd get better brakes and suspension first
Stu??
suspension, prolly
08-02-2008, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Stu, did you ever actually replace that wanky caliper bolt?
Yes I did, Tony sorted me some proper bolts, so they are tip top now..
Why, want me to run on ur RR day
Last one was a good crack, enjoyed myself
08-02-2008, 10:34 PM
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Bearing in mind the cost of the rebuilt box which isnt any more expensive to build than a good IB5 which you would have to buy anyway.
It has not cost me anywhere near £2.5k to fit a MTX75 box and shafts, although I will admit mine has not seen any action yet and is still on unequal driveshafts.
It has not cost me anywhere near £2.5k to fit a MTX75 box and shafts, although I will admit mine has not seen any action yet and is still on unequal driveshafts.
08-02-2008, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by gus
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would it bolt to a cvh thou?
With your money, anything is possible
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08-02-2008, 10:41 PM
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if only more people done some of these conversions, reyland or somewhere should fabricate the parts etc too for mtx conversions i dont mind paying people for fabricating bits but i dont like paying silly prices like 2k to have a £50 gearbox fitted in an escort, i know it has custom shafts, linkage and mount etc but still 2k?
08-02-2008, 11:21 PM
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Well i just fitted this as Si has mentioned its fairly straight forward to install.
As you now most ford bolt patterns on fwd boxs are the same and the st170 box is no exception. The only area i would not be sure on for the cvh block would be the rear posistion starter...
Has anyone fitted a mtx box with this does the block allow that... thats the only area i would check!!! zetecs are fine.
As for fitting- fabricate a mount and she fits with loads of room, much narrower than any other box but its a little bulkier so i have had to loose the brake servo and master cylinder.
bias box is used now which solves the hydrulic clutch issue.
Si has used and abused his like he says and i believe on strip down recently no signs of wear at all....quiafe diff needs to be added.
Ive yet to test mine but will be throwing 450 through it so will let you know.
Also you can get uprated parts for these now like uprated poly mounts etc.
You have to run a st170 compatible clutch/fly
As you now most ford bolt patterns on fwd boxs are the same and the st170 box is no exception. The only area i would not be sure on for the cvh block would be the rear posistion starter...
Has anyone fitted a mtx box with this does the block allow that... thats the only area i would check!!! zetecs are fine.
As for fitting- fabricate a mount and she fits with loads of room, much narrower than any other box but its a little bulkier so i have had to loose the brake servo and master cylinder.
bias box is used now which solves the hydrulic clutch issue.
Si has used and abused his like he says and i believe on strip down recently no signs of wear at all....quiafe diff needs to be added.
Ive yet to test mine but will be throwing 450 through it so will let you know.
Also you can get uprated parts for these now like uprated poly mounts etc.
You have to run a st170 compatible clutch/fly