Is Autronic the way forward??
14-10-2004, 07:39 PM
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I dont think all these latest big spec engines with Autronic can be attributed ot the ECU alone....I think its just generally better engine specs/design, and ofcourse a good ECU.
There are a number of VERY high BHP (600+) ecus running on the new SECS S8. Each to their own really.
If the Autronic will make my RST 600bhp then my S8 will go back to simon
There are a number of VERY high BHP (600+) ecus running on the new SECS S8. Each to their own really.
If the Autronic will make my RST 600bhp then my S8 will go back to simon
14-10-2004, 07:41 PM
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Autronic is certainly VERY VERY good 
Its proven as well and I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
But there are obviously alternatives as well. I use SECS as do a few other big BHP engines and you are clearly BLIND if you can't see the thread at the top of the page
Its proven as well and I wouldn't hesitate to use it.But there are obviously alternatives as well. I use SECS as do a few other big BHP engines and you are clearly BLIND if you can't see the thread at the top of the page
14-10-2004, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
you are clearly BLIND if you can't see the thread at the top of the page
PS. This is ment as a JOKE......
14-10-2004, 07:45 PM
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I beleive that an after market ECU is the way forward. Combined with large flow injectors it eliminates the need to upgrade hard ware as you move the power up.
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14-10-2004, 07:46 PM
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Obviously im not blinkered by this and am very aware of big bhp engines running SECS, i was just curious as to what peoples thoughts were on this as im not sure which way to go when i buy my esc cos.
Kind of a for and against, with regards to both Autronic and SECS.
Kind of a for and against, with regards to both Autronic and SECS.
14-10-2004, 07:48 PM
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Certainly a big plus for a Cosworth owner such as yourself shortly, the SECS plugs into the standard loom, uses standard sensors and comes with a "base map" to get you running.....truely plug and play.....no looms to deal with etc. 
14-10-2004, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by M.A.D.RST
Obviously im not blinkered by this and am very aware of big bhp engines running SECS, i was just curious as to what peoples thoughts were on this as im not sure which way to go when i buy my esc cos.
Kind of a for and against, with regards to both Autronic and SECS.
Kind of a for and against, with regards to both Autronic and SECS.
But both have advantages and disadvantages. If you wanted that discussion why didn't you post a topic 'Secs or Autronic?'
NOT 'Autronic the way forward?'
I chose SECS and its been awesome.
But you can't argue with the success of Autronic either... Its a great product . as is Pectel T6 2000 which has been used on alot of the top cars and will continue to be, as will other ECU's...Good luck with whatever you choose matey
Your name seems to make me think you will end up with Autronic though
14-10-2004, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PhilM
Certainly a big plus for a Cosworth owner such as yourself shortly, the SECS plugs into the standard loom, uses standard sensors and comes with a "base map" to get you running.....truely plug and play.....no looms to deal with etc.
14-10-2004, 07:56 PM
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Very good point by Dave. I run a Pectel loom and its well worth it for the piece of mind... but if you have a late escos or a good condition loom then all should be well in order.
I run a Pectel loom and its well worth it for the piece of mind... but if you have a late escos or a good condition loom then all should be well in order.
14-10-2004, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SPADGE
How much did Sheady give you to start this topic
I am not prepared to get into a "which is better argument" out of
respect for Mark @ MA Developments and others who have used
Autronics and SECS S8
Both ECU's have comparable features and some features
either/both do not have - if that makes sense.
It is up to the tuner of your engine to decide which way to go
based on experience and of course wallet !
14-10-2004, 08:09 PM
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Porkie, i totally agree and admit i worded it in the way wrong and did not intend to start any arguement or contest so i should have said secs or autronic, but that still isnt much better!! 
Oh dear what have i done. 
How about, Which management for an escort cosworth?
Well thanks to everyone who replied to this topic, it is nice to hear good advice and great comments.
Oh dear what have i done. How about, Which management for an escort cosworth?
Well thanks to everyone who replied to this topic, it is nice to hear good advice and great comments.
14-10-2004, 08:19 PM
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Well must 1995 Escort had no problem with the ecu loom but then went over to Autronic. Some goods thing with Autronic runs Water injection, charge cooler, cooling fans also will bring down the rev limiter when too hot and also run Big 1000cc injectors and pass a mot test Full trottle gear change, anti lag, ect ect
Full trottle gear change, anti lag, ect ect
14-10-2004, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by YUM360
Well must 1995 Escort had no problem with the ecu loom but then went over to Autronic. Some goods thing with Autronic runs Water injection, charge cooler, cooling fans also will bring down the rev limiter when too hot and also run Big 1000cc injectors and pass a mot test Full trottle gear change, anti lag, ect ect
Full trottle gear change, anti lag, ect ect
As you have made a specific statements YUM360 which implies the S8 doesnt so .......
S8 can do nearly all that too
(apart from the hot rev limit/Full throttle gear change)
S8 does a quite few things autronic does not but I will leave it at that
I am sure Mark does not want a battle as nor do I.
We each cater for our own markets and both have had our own success stories.
14-10-2004, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by YUM360
Well must 1995 Escort had no problem with the ecu loom but then went over to Autronic. Some goods thing with Autronic runs Water injection, charge cooler, cooling fans also will bring down the rev limiter when too hot and also run Big 1000cc injectors and pass a mot test Full trottle gear change, anti lag, ect ect
Full trottle gear change, anti lag, ect ect As you have made a specific statements YUM360 which implies the S8 doesnt so .......
S8 can do nearly all that too
(apart from the hot rev limit/Full throttle gear change)
S8 does a quite few things autronic does not but I will leave it at that
I am sure Mark does not want a battle as nor do I.
We each cater for our own markets and both have had our own success stories.
Was only talking about Aurtonic and never said anyting about S8 and what it does or doesnt did l??
14-10-2004, 08:47 PM
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autronic and S8 arent the only ECUs in the world
if i had the money i'd go pectel... lol
but i dont have the money so i'm going SECS S8 much better VALUE FOR MONEY imho
if i had the money i'd go pectel... lol
but i dont have the money so i'm going SECS S8 much better VALUE FOR MONEY imho
14-10-2004, 09:09 PM
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Look the answer to this question is really quite simple. People with Autronic will come on here saying its the best, people with SECS will come on here and say the same and the same goes for Pectel etc etc etc. IMO as I've said again and again on similar posts to this....I would go for what ever the person who is mapping your engine recommends as it's HIM (or her) who's mapping it not you. I would not recommend anyone buy a management system with a manual and attempt to map an engine themself based on how easy it is to use these modern system in comparison to the older management systems such as cossie management (which maps in hex or ofab ofac etc). Mapping comes with experience and it's not how good the ecu is. I have heard of some seriously dodgy stories of tuners mapping and melting engines thinking that they would move into the mapping world aswell as the additonal services they provide....trust me, leave it to the proven experts. Yes some ecu's have more features than others etc however the bottom line is that the engine isn't going to make more power due to the management is it? Ignition, boost and all thew other variables are just numbers and at the end of the day the same ignition angle can be put into other ecu's which will not produce results that are going to be that much diffierent from the other ecu. I would say that the 'mapping interface' is very important as it's critical for the mapper to make effective live changes with ease and quickly. With all of this said I only direct this post to certain management systems and not all ecu's as there are some that are pretty shit and don't have half of the standard options (not even talking about ALS or any other fancy gadgets and fancy outputs) these have been made to budget more than purpose and these are the ecu's I would steer well clear of. Will not mention names as there are bound to be people who use them who will come back and say that I am talking rubbish and that they're happy with theirs.
As everyone knows I have Autronic and have very very happy with the results (no discount prices from Mark for posting this LOL). Seriously, it is very good and so far Mark's mapping has been spot on aswell. I will not go back to Pectel or any other management system unless I am 100% convinced I need to...which I don't see happening in a hurry. I brought the Autronic for purpose over budget however after looking back at it I saved shit loads of money aswell. Also new Autronic ecu is being released very soon and after what I've been hearing about it and some of the features and how powerful it is I really can't see there being any other choice for my new engine.
Thanks - Sunny.
As everyone knows I have Autronic and have very very happy with the results (no discount prices from Mark for posting this LOL). Seriously, it is very good and so far Mark's mapping has been spot on aswell. I will not go back to Pectel or any other management system unless I am 100% convinced I need to...which I don't see happening in a hurry. I brought the Autronic for purpose over budget however after looking back at it I saved shit loads of money aswell.
Also new Autronic ecu is being released very soon and after what I've been hearing about it and some of the features and how powerful it is I really can't see there being any other choice for my new engine. Thanks - Sunny.
15-10-2004, 07:36 AM
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good post sunny.
that is basically how i see it. in theory there is no reason under most conditions why an aftermarket EMS will be able to provide more power than the original. In the case of a Cossie, the Weber can be made to give just as much power at a given rpm and boost level as any other aftemarket ECU. The differences come from how easy it is to get to this best power by live mapping (whether it be on a dyno or on the road), and also to an extent what size the maps are for better overall driveability.
this ability to live map is usually much easier for an aftermarket ECU as in most cases all that you need is a laptop, whereas for most OEM systems you need specialist software to get around any encryption issues.
the other major ifferences come from the ability of aftermarket ECU's to be flashed on the fly, whereas most OEM systems require a chip to be burned. the iterations that are required to really get the best out of an engine are therefore much easier to do if you don't have to burn a new chip everytime you change something.
that is basically how i see it. in theory there is no reason under most conditions why an aftermarket EMS will be able to provide more power than the original. In the case of a Cossie, the Weber can be made to give just as much power at a given rpm and boost level as any other aftemarket ECU. The differences come from how easy it is to get to this best power by live mapping (whether it be on a dyno or on the road), and also to an extent what size the maps are for better overall driveability.
this ability to live map is usually much easier for an aftermarket ECU as in most cases all that you need is a laptop, whereas for most OEM systems you need specialist software to get around any encryption issues.
the other major ifferences come from the ability of aftermarket ECU's to be flashed on the fly, whereas most OEM systems require a chip to be burned. the iterations that are required to really get the best out of an engine are therefore much easier to do if you don't have to burn a new chip everytime you change something.
15-10-2004, 08:08 AM
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I woul;d say that the best thing about autronic ,or pectel for that matter,is that
they have both been around a while now and are both proven 'reliable'
I work in the motor trade,and the amount of early systems which are
improved/updated is worrying if you own one of the 'earlier 'models.
not a dig at any one ,but a consideration I would have to make if I was gonna
buy an aftermarket system.
cheers,puddy
they have both been around a while now and are both proven 'reliable'
I work in the motor trade,and the amount of early systems which are
improved/updated is worrying if you own one of the 'earlier 'models.
not a dig at any one ,but a consideration I would have to make if I was gonna
buy an aftermarket system.
cheers,puddy
15-10-2004, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhys
Anything is better than std 80's tec
Just wish i could afford to change it
Just wish i could afford to change it
15-10-2004, 09:36 AM
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Why would you want aftermarket management for a car you don't even own??! Seems a bit argumentative to me
There's no need for it unless there are specific features that you want/need for your spec. Standard management will do fine (unless its EECIV!)
There's no need for it unless there are specific features that you want/need for your spec. Standard management will do fine (unless its EECIV!)
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I wouldnt recommend anyone uses aftermarket ECU's......weber is more than capable......rember i only went S8 as i wanted to run 8 injectors and this was the cheapest route......i DIDNT want the ability to fiddle....but now i got it i getting addicted..BUT remember i got enuff money not to worry if it goes tits up!
Cheap may sound appealing but remember S8 is new and the builder can not map by his own admission...Autronic is proven and the seller is also a top mapper...if you got a 10k engine..which are you gonna choose????...Look at the confusion in my first play with S8.....even Karl didnt know the 8 injector operation....
NOT a diss to Simon...but at this rate all the people who say they want it like Jim for example are gonna blow there cars up and blame the ECU!!!!.....I personally think its too cheap!
I am lucky cause Mark has helped me with the S8 .......if you cant get the help i got..stick to weber!
Cheap may sound appealing but remember S8 is new and the builder can not map by his own admission...Autronic is proven and the seller is also a top mapper...if you got a 10k engine..which are you gonna choose????...Look at the confusion in my first play with S8.....even Karl didnt know the 8 injector operation....
NOT a diss to Simon...but at this rate all the people who say they want it like Jim for example are gonna blow there cars up and blame the ECU!!!!.....I personally think its too cheap!
I am lucky cause Mark has helped me with the S8
.......if you cant get the help i got..stick to weber!
15-10-2004, 10:12 AM
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I dont think the limits of mappin standard cossie management have been reached yet. Stu and Karl do very good things with L6, 8 and P8, so maybe there is no need to go to after market ecu unless you want huge power that normal cossie managemetn cant accept. All IMO. No names mentioned, no ecu mentioned and leave YUM alone SECS 
15-10-2004, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Cheap may sound appealing but remember S8 is new and the builder can not map by his own admission
