Is Autronic the way forward??
15-10-2004, 09:03 PM
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SMC £995, SM2 no autotune £1195 SM2 Autotune £1295, Both come with 4.4bar mapsensor, Air/water temp sensor,programing cable/sofware and wiring Loom.
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,SMC £995, SM2 no autotune £1195 SM2 Autotune £1295, Both come with 4.4bar mapsensor, Air/water temp sensor,programing cable/sofware and wiring Loom.
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15-10-2004, 09:05 PM
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You wouldnt buy the ecu alone as you need to have an Autronic loom unlike the SECS which I persume uses a cossie loom that should be replaced?
As per my question again, how much do you charge for ecu, mapping, loom and sensors + anything else that may be needed?
Thanks - Sunny.
As per my question again, how much do you charge for ecu, mapping, loom and sensors + anything else that may be needed?
Thanks - Sunny.
15-10-2004, 09:10 PM
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sunny,
ECU: RETAIL: £520 plug and play for weber (S1/S2 and EEC4 CARS plug and play coming soon)
inc cable+software
SENSORS: As fitted to original cars (can use different type of map sensors e.g 5 bar)
MAPPING: I dont do it but I can supply most states of tune maps (no extra cost)
(some dyno tested depends on customer)
ECU: RETAIL: £520 plug and play for weber (S1/S2 and EEC4 CARS plug and play coming soon)
inc cable+software
SENSORS: As fitted to original cars (can use different type of map sensors e.g 5 bar)
MAPPING: I dont do it but I can supply most states of tune maps (no extra cost)
(some dyno tested depends on customer)
15-10-2004, 09:11 PM
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Sunny, Why would you need to replace all the sensors & loom though? Only if the loom is in shit state maybe, but sensors? Also, I believe Simon does cannot include "mapping" as he does not offer a mapping service.
Perhaps this question would be best directed at one of SECS' distributors, such as Motorsport Developments, who would be able to supply the full package; ie ECU, Loom & Sensors (where required) and Mapping.
SECS is simply the manufacturer, as is Autronic.
Perhaps this question would be best directed at one of SECS' distributors, such as Motorsport Developments, who would be able to supply the full package; ie ECU, Loom & Sensors (where required) and Mapping.
SECS is simply the manufacturer, as is Autronic.
15-10-2004, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by SPADGE
How much did Sheady give you to start this topic 
I am not prepared to get into a "which is better argument" out of
respect for Mark @ MA Developments and others who have used
Autronics and SECS S8
Both ECU's have comparable features and some features
either/both do not have - if that makes sense.
It is up to the tuner of your engine to decide which way to go
based on experience and of course wallet !
15-10-2004, 09:17 PM
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Phil, you want to use a 10 year old loom then fine. I am sure most tuners would recommend this be changed. Regarding the rest of your post...I am well aware what SECS and Autronic are. The reason why I asked these questions was so that a true price comparison could be obtained however at the time didn't know that Simon doesn't map.
Hi Simon, cheers for that. Just trying to get a proper price comparison. Most mappers would charge anywhere between £350 to £500 dependent on the job and who you use + dyno obviously a little more. Cheapest I've heard looms being sold for is around the £350 mark however personally I would choose to use original loom (but thats me).
Thanks - Sunny.
The reason why I asked these questions was so that a true price comparison could be obtained however at the time didn't know that Simon doesn't map.Hi Simon, cheers for that. Just trying to get a proper price comparison. Most mappers would charge anywhere between £350 to £500 dependent on the job and who you use + dyno obviously a little more. Cheapest I've heard looms being sold for is around the £350 mark however personally I would choose to use original loom (but thats me).
Thanks - Sunny.
15-10-2004, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by SPADGE
How much did Sheady give you to start this topic
I am not prepared to get into a "which is better argument" out of
respect for Mark @ MA Developments and others who have used
Autronics and SECS S8
Both ECU's have comparable features and some features
either/both do not have - if that makes sense.
It is up to the tuner of your engine to decide which way to go
based on experience and of course wallet !
15-10-2004, 09:20 PM
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Yeah, good one Spadge.....Don't think I've ever started a Autronic topic before. 
Read my post on the first page and you will see that my comments are fair and un-baised + just giving my personal experience. Whats wrong with that?
Besides if Mark did pay me to come on here to big up Autronic I would probably take him up on it as I would be talking sense still + could do with the money for my new engine.
Read my post on the first page and you will see that my comments are fair and un-baised + just giving my personal experience. Whats wrong with that?
Besides if Mark did pay me to come on here to big up Autronic I would probably take him up on it as I would be talking sense still + could do with the money for my new engine.
15-10-2004, 10:41 PM
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I get discount cos he likes thrashing my car around
Originally Posted by SECS
MADRod, I suspect mark gives you discount for the huge amount of
business you put his way. Which is no bad thing at the end of the day !
business you put his way. Which is no bad thing at the end of the day !
I get discount cos he likes thrashing my car around
15-10-2004, 10:49 PM
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The differences aren't going to be much cost wise when you think about it.
£1500 for Autronic is a good price, and seems very good value for money.
However, it doesn't allow you to build in stages. I've got a new cossie loom. Then I'll buy the ECU. Unfortunately, I don't have the inclination to throw that kind of money at a car in one hit, and the SECS ECU is more affordable for the masses.
Remember, aftermarket management is still a relatively new concept to most cossie/RST people, so it's all in the early stages.
Where's the competition? Both systems are proven, both are good, both have pros and cons. Personal preference is about one of the only deciding factors.
£1500 for Autronic is a good price, and seems very good value for money.
However, it doesn't allow you to build in stages. I've got a new cossie loom. Then I'll buy the ECU. Unfortunately, I don't have the inclination to throw that kind of money at a car in one hit, and the SECS ECU is more affordable for the masses.
Remember, aftermarket management is still a relatively new concept to most cossie/RST people, so it's all in the early stages.
Where's the competition? Both systems are proven, both are good, both have pros and cons. Personal preference is about one of the only deciding factors.
16-10-2004, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
u lor r a bunch f fookin whingers, fuk ecus` fr one fukin night an dg spend dolla gettin pissed for fukin once 
16-10-2004, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
u lor r a bunch f fookin whingers, fuk ecus` fr one fukin night an dg spend dolla gettin pissed for fukin once
16-10-2004, 01:43 PM
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When I finally get round to sorting my shed out, I am going to use a SEC8 ECU, purely because, it's good value for money, but mainly because it has been developed specifically for Fords by a Ford enthusiast, which I think is cool and deserves support. 
I think the fact that it has been in some high profile big BHP Cossies for a year now, is proof enough that the product is mature, and reliable. Well done Simon and team again. Simon are you going to make available a ECU loom as i'd be adding all this stuff in on what would effectively be a ERST EFi conversion (Cossie management conversion without the cossie bit ).
Thats taking nothing alway from anyone else's ECU and service, thats just what I personally plan to do
I think the fact that it has been in some high profile big BHP Cossies for a year now, is proof enough that the product is mature, and reliable. Well done Simon and team again.
Simon are you going to make available a ECU loom as i'd be adding all this stuff in on what would effectively be a ERST EFi conversion (Cossie management conversion without the cossie bit ).Thats taking nothing alway from anyone else's ECU and service, thats just what I personally plan to do
16-10-2004, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AD-RS1600i
When I finally get round to sorting my shed out, I am going to use a SEC8 ECU, purely because, it's good value for money, but mainly because it has been developed specifically for Fords by a Ford enthusiast, which I think is cool and deserves support.
I think the fact that it has been in some high profile big BHP Cossies for a year now, is proof enough that the product is mature, and reliable. Well done Simon and team again. Simon are you going to make available a ECU loom as i'd be adding all this stuff in on what would effectively be a ERST EFi conversion (Cossie management conversion without the cossie bit ).
Thats taking nothing alway from anyone else's ECU and service, thats just what I personally plan to do
I think the fact that it has been in some high profile big BHP Cossies for a year now, is proof enough that the product is mature, and reliable. Well done Simon and team again.
Simon are you going to make available a ECU loom as i'd be adding all this stuff in on what would effectively be a ERST EFi conversion (Cossie management conversion without the cossie bit ).Thats taking nothing alway from anyone else's ECU and service, thats just what I personally plan to do
16-10-2004, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AD-RS1600i
Simon are you going to make available a ECU loom as i'd be adding all this stuff in on what would effectively be a ERST EFi conversion (Cossie management conversion without the cossie bit ).
).Will keep you posted
17-10-2004, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by RANJ
u lor r a bunch f fookin whingers, fuk ecus` fr one fukin night an dg spend dolla gettin pissed for fukin once
"You fellow PassionFord users are a collection of nice people that winge a lot, dont worry about ECU's too much for one night and go spend some of your hard earned cash getting a bit drunk - just for once!"
17-10-2004, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PhilM
Originally Posted by AD-RS1600i
Simon are you going to make available a ECU loom as i'd be adding all this stuff in on what would effectively be a ERST EFi conversion (Cossie management conversion without the cossie bit ).
).Will keep you posted
I hope to get my project going next summer hopefully. Just sorting the funds at the moment, and somewhere where I can do it. I am definately gonna do something with it soon, as it will have rusted away soon Cheers!
17-10-2004, 03:40 PM
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immy dont bring my car into this
its workin perfectly and i trust simon work 100% just not his postman
as for the ecu being free i was willing to pay full amount but simon offord it to me and in retun i have sold him 5 ecus so far 3 of them will be on big power cozzys aswell
8 injecotor is old hat 1000cc all the way
its workin perfectly and i trust simon work 100% just not his postman
as for the ecu being free i was willing to pay full amount but simon offord it to me and in retun i have sold him 5 ecus so far 3 of them will be on big power cozzys aswell
8 injecotor is old hat 1000cc all the way
17-10-2004, 04:38 PM
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Broomy why is 8 old hat????...8 x greys have a higher capacity,plus look more bling....i gather you was not aware that S8 on detecting an injector fault when all 8 are running it will cut fuel to that cylinder totally
You have your ordinary 4 injectors...but wont look as good as my eight
You have your ordinary 4 injectors...but wont look as good as my eight
18-10-2004, 06:23 PM
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mmmmmmm,8 injectors
my mates yb built and dynoed by julian godfrey ,made 797bhp on 8x greys and
rs 500 inlet is running pectel T6 also.
puddy
my mates yb built and dynoed by julian godfrey ,made 797bhp on 8x greys and
rs 500 inlet
is running pectel T6 also.puddy
18-10-2004, 06:38 PM
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Gems - does same as autronic cheaper too, as does the motec....
P8 does most of the same too....
My level 8 came free with engine, and car runs, and has a map from a tuner who has never blown an engine up by mapping them.
P8 does most of the same too....
My level 8 came free with engine, and car runs, and has a map from a tuner who has never blown an engine up by mapping them.
18-10-2004, 07:48 PM
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dingy, Thanks for the clarification
I cant help being paranoid as I get sh*t for all the time even when things are going well.
As for replying to emails, I replied to the last one you sent about ECU connectors.
Please repeat the last mail you sent to me and I will see if its the same one I replied to.
I cant help being paranoid as I get sh*t for all the time even when things are going well.
As for replying to emails, I replied to the last one you sent about ECU connectors.
Please repeat the last mail you sent to me and I will see if its the same one I replied to.
19-10-2004, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SPADGE
How much did Sheady give you to start this topic
Originally Posted by Porkie
Good luck with whatever you choose matey Your name seems to make me think you will end up with Autronic though 
Your name seems to make me think you will end up with Autronic though
Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by SPADGE
How much did Sheady give you to start this topic
