Stu @ M Developments

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No problem.

Redkop

Rubbish Lee. You still have PF to post on and use at your will, so why does it matter who owns it? Nothing's changed yet, so why complain before it does, 'if' it does?

Lee Reynolds

Rod, you for one have spat your dummy out on here over far more sillier thangs than the sale of PF so shut up you old fart

KSA-Cossie

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I don't really care who made what from the sale off the site,as for the 10 or 20 quid i paid i've had that back and more with help from people off here and made some good friends along the way .

Lee Reynolds

Ive not once said i care about who owns the site i couldnt give a toss who owns it. I just think its absolutly shit of pet to do all this without telling the people who made the site and kept the site running anything about the sale, especially the mods who have helped keep the place runing smooth....

Redkop

Perhaps Pet is waiting until final details are in place and the sale has gone through. He is under no obligation as the owner of this forum to tell anybody anything about his business dealings and I can't blame him for that as it's nobody's business but his own!

dave cos4x4

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and you have had nothing back from Pet or the site from your investment Stu.

Westy

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who's up for some Frog bashing...?

is Pet's life so hectic that he cant spare 5mins to explain whats happening etc.... Found time to sell the site tho didnt he.. greedy little Frog

Robski

Redkop

Tell me why exactly he should tell you/us about his business dealings? Do you discuss all your business dealings with everyone on PF?

Westy

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oh shut up Lynne..

as a member on here for many years, it would just be nice to know whats happening with the site... Purely out of interest...

not to much to ask is it..!

truthordare

I honestly don't see what difference it makes, the site still works the same both for those of us that have paid and for those that haven't (apart from the muppet room) how much involvement did you all have with Pet before it was sold, not much or none is my guess, now you are all demanding answers from him personally, if no one had said it was being sold you would all be none the wiser. Its a website and it works still so whats all the fuss? What difference has it made, really?

Debs

Redkop

I reckon it's just being nosey actually....

Chip

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The big difference between the two "camps" on here I suppose, are wether you view passionford as a business, or as a club.

With people looking at it from those two totally opposing viewpoints (ie if its a club the members deserve to know about the finances, if its a business the customers dont need to know anything about the finances) they wont ever agree on the subject I suspect.

fuzzy

afaik if pet set up the site then its his business to sell it as he sees fit.
im sure everyone complaining would all turn down the chance of a large wedge of cash to relieve themselves from a site full off wingeing women .im sure it will all become clear eventually then when it is everyone of us can decide whether to pay up or fuck off.

Redkop

I don't view it as either Chip.... to me it's just a community forum, a place to post and join in. It doesn't offer a 'club' status other than this forum.

Rod-Tarry

Whats that got to do with you guys getting upset cos you have parted with £10 or whatever it is. I use this site & have paid my money I just dont get upset because it aint going the way you all wish. As regards Pet marching off with a six figure sum best of luck to him its his baby. The only thing that upsets me is i didnt see this oportunity first or I would have exploited it thats for sure. Have you guys not yet learned that sentiment & playing fair dont enter into a business deal. GET REAL.
The entertainment value on here is worth £100 a year & I expect you guys spend more on fags & beer each week than a years subscription to this Forum, so I will repeat dont let this site maintain such a priority in your life & it wont seem half as bad.

Mark_

get yourself on www.ukfordoc.com its great. its a small community at the mo but its growing

Lee Reynolds

Rod the site isnt a priority in my life at all. I just think it would of been the right thing to do for pet to have told everyone especially the paying members and mods etc what was going on.the mods do all the hard graft and put up with crap to get the site as it is and this is the thanks they get...take tiff for instance

Ginge !

whivh is why theres so many NASTY people in life who live like kings screwing the poor people anychance of becoming richer so they an screw more people over and claim " its business"

rod i think you seem to miss the point,, some of us was brought up to REPSPECT each other and treat them as you would like them to treat you

your comment is no different to a bank robber whos also agrees that sentiments and playing fair dont mean fuck when you can get rich by fucking others feelings off

lee's upset as he was never informed that this place will be sold to a big corporate company if it was to be a good website.... of he did then he might not have wanted to "dontate" cash to keep the site going

as said i paied for no other reason than a way iof THANKING pet for hes work with the site,,,, i dont sell fuck all as i dont need to sell things to buy knew stuff,,,, the porn room ive ALWAYS had access too,,,,,, even when i wasnt a gold member ive had access to it

pet didnt need to request extra cash for the site with the promise of sorting the running issues out but aint done it due to hes personal curcumstances,,,,,,,, he KNEW he was selling the site at that time,,,,,, he offered the payment to make hes site worth MORE on paper showing all the paied members so the buyer needs to take into consideration

now i aint bothered what pet does........ dont concern me in the slightest a ill be spending more money tonight buy strangers drinks than iv ever paied for on this site

just feel pet didnt need to do it on the quiet,,,, the way hes done it appears to be something hes must feel ashamed of someway as otherwise he would have takent the time to post and explain

imagine how mark would feel if all the hard work he put into your car as a "customer" and he helped you out ect and when it was done and running you sold it to another tuning firm whos plans are to either claim it as there work OR copy the design marks done to sell on

in a way passionford was US who made the site,,, the fucking name goldmember was thought of by a memeber

the focus replacing the puma was thought up by a member

ok stu will be upset but passionford has helped get hes name on the tip of everyones tounge for mapping/tuning,,,,,, he may claim that most hes trade aint from fords but if it wasnt for this site how many cars would be tuned by MSD,,,,,,, word of mouth is the best form of advertising,,,,, if stu was to publish hes accounts im sure that in the last 4 years hes trade as increased alot more than 6 years ago,,,,,,, and i think alot more than 20% too,,, though dont get me wrong hes hard work is the reason why hes STILL successfull and growing as anyone can make money for a few years,,,,,,, repate customer is another skill TOTALLY so he was always gonna do well anyway

THOUGH in staying that pasionford is the reason why i do my job,,,,,, i learnt the basics of my trade from info from here,,,, if it wasnt for this site i would still be a traffic warden i guess

anyway on that note im off.

ill check up tomorrow afternoon when i get back from the gym for the replies

Chip

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Still a distinction as to the emphasis though potentially, lots of forums are run like clubs, in terms of transparency
of funds and being non profit, run purely for the members, wether they offer you a membership card or not.

I cant think of many things most car clubs have that PF doesnt TBH from a members point of view.

We have "club" meets, "club" stands at shows, "club" insurance discount etc


Certainly feels mainly like a club to me, but clearly the way the finances are run is very different to that!

Stu @ M Developments

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Your joking right?
Ginge, the problem with you, and others on here, and i dont mean this offensively, more matter of factly, is that you are all blinkered by Fords and the Ford scene in general.

You shouldnt make decisions based on limited knowledge, so dont look at my business based on what you see on our Ford based website (www.remapping.co.uk) or my ford forum (www.fordrsforums.co.uk) (www.passionford.com) as the Ford parts and development really are largely due to our passion for the Marque.

Are they profitable, yes of course they are, i would be useless at my job if not, and lets face it i have developed/helped develop and sell some of the most innovative stuff for the Ford cosworth in years, and most of it is ONLY available from me. Period. But all thats by the by, i would guess, since you seem to suggest otherwise, that if i stopped doing Ford stuff PERIOD, it would account for around 10-15% of my Annual Turn Over.

If you want to see where the other 85 - 90% comes from, go and see what we actually DO for a living, not what we just ENJOY doing, what we do as our mainstay business. There is a big difference.

www.evolutionchips.com (Clicky)

The problem is, when your blinkered by Fords, you dont spend any time looking anywhere else. For all you know i could have owned Vauxhall UK and you wouldnt have known.

Thats what we actually do for a living, and we dont need any form of workshop to do it. Our dealer network does the fitting and dealing with customers. (Dare i say thankfully? LOL )

The Ford work was an offshoot and one we enjoy and made profitable so we still do it, but setting up and chipping cosworths is never going to run a business with overheads and staff to pay i am afraid, and the market is dying fast. Real fast... much as it saddens me to say.

Lee Reynolds

Ginge i wouldnt say 'upset' mate

Ginge !

stu what i was refering to was the acces of people HEARING about you from this site and others....... on the RSOC i never noticed you as much,,, you was another tuner like turbosystems who i was belived to be the bollocks

this site HAS OBV made your abillitys more well known, you do a whole range of stuff i know,,,,,,, but this site SHOWS HOW GOOD YOU ARE without having to actually pay for the work to be done

15% of the business is fords NOW.... but when the site opened what was the percentage then ?

are you saying that you didnt get any extra business from here at all ?

how many customers REPEAT ONES started out with fords and moved up also,,, then told there mates....... told people in general

hell i recomend you about once every 2 weeks at work for stuff we dont do BUT i know you do

hence why i added the end part of my comment

you DESERVE to do well anyway,,,,, this site will never make your business run for a long period of time,,,, YOU AND KENNY have done that,,, your business manor has done that

but this site will have gained you MORE people to become aware of you just like the turbosystems stickers on fiat pandas,,,,,,, they get the name onto peoples brains

as said ive ALOT to thank for this site,,,,,, i do ok financially and enjoy my life that i got the infomation AND STILL DO from this site

are you saying you DONT feel this site has helped you ?

i dont even mind you getting 50/50 with pet and the site being sold on,,its the way it APPEARS to ahve been handled that makes you feel theres something up

i owe alot to this site,,,, rod can call me sad or what ever but i dont give a shite,,,,,, its done alot for me and taught me alot and also made alot of friends

hell someone on here gave me the name of my fucking child when me and the missus couldnt decide

Ginge !

what you talking about,,,,,, you been crying so much insurance companys are fearing a high risk of more flood damage in your area

Lee Reynolds

Bring it on more work for us

Stu @ M Developments

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Your missunderstanding me mate, i dont deny for one second that these forums are great for advertising, of course they are and i am thankfull they exist, only a complete MUG would ever suggest otherwise.

What i was pointing out is that we have a lot od dealers all over the UK and into Europe fitting our chips on a daily basis and about 95% of them have never even heard of PassionFord mate.

Anyway, thanks for the very kind recomendations. I am glad i didnt scare you away in my Caffeine days of poor telephone manner.

Stu @ M Developments

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Me too mate, thats why i am still touchy about her.
Poxy to think she is just magnetic data on some french hard disk isnt it?

Ginge !

stu i only recomend people that i wont get call back a few weeks later cunting me off for sendign them to a muppet who wont listen and done more damage to there car

just like i wont recomend you to any people who are ignorant pricks either,,,, i got a list of "other" garages for them. aswe;; as some funny numbers to help guide there way

im glad you may understand what i ment now. i wasnt saying you started this site and now your a millionare burning gold members tenners to light your BBQ near the pool thats overlooked by the westwing

your missus works hard to pay for all that

twoblacklines

I love the pf mentality, the arguements that dont turn into fistfights etc.

be a shame to lose all that, as all the other sites im on are far too overmoderated.

PF is currently great, if 40 year old virgin was still a mod here hed have banned everyone by page 2 of the recent controversial thread by now!

just a pity that someone up top has been a greedy cunt!, but then again he is french!

MikeR

May l offer a different way of looking at Passion Ford,

How much is a Magazine subscription to a multi car mag each year ?
How much is it to list items for sale in a mag as a trader
How much is it to list items for sale as an individual (acctually a bedroom trader)
How do you reply to questions, comments, crazy ideasin a mag
How do you deal with Mag politics because for sure it exsists
Does a Mag offer you the option of looking at all the cars they feature being built and tweaked allowing you to share in there trials and tribulations
Does a Mag allow you to look at Porn and offer different topics such as Fitness Motor Bikes dedicated technical pages


I think it is absolutly fair to say that there is not a Mag out that caters for the above, yet people dont mind paying for a mag each month, hell i have not owned a Ford for 5 yeas yet still buy the usual 2,

Your £20 pounds represents a fantastic purchase in my opinion, all be it some of the above you get with out payment,

When you have finished reading your mag you put it down with Passionford you turn you computer of and go and enjoy your life away from it.

I could not give a rats ares what Stu may or may not have done with any thing he got in return for what l can imagine must have been a huge ball ache at times, i am sure his wife does not want him sat on a computer all hours of the day much like mine

People are quick to suggest Stu for work on cars but if they think there hard earned £20 has been taken they starting slating I have only had the Pleasure of Stus company once and he certainly never struck me as anything other than a top bloke who l would trust exsplicitly.

Life goes on your £20 never gaurenteed blood so dont look for it

Stu some people will never listern mate and in reality have already made there mind up and are not repared to listern,

Crack a beer and enjoy Nicoles company mate because it just aint worth it, as for me, l am cooking a curry and enjoying a beer

Good night

Mike

Lee Reynolds

Mike its NOT about stu mate

SteveB

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Following on from what Stu was saying about his 10-15% of his business being from Ford/RS/Cosworth.


The scene is dying and has been for years.... When I 1st worked at SCC 7 years ago we'd see Cossies and RST's etc every single day usually 2 or 3 a day. Nowadays and I'm sure Rob from SCC will agree he sees 1 a week (not including Focus RS as he specialises in the FRS and I recon he has 1 in everyday).
The problem nowadays in that alot of RST/Cossie owners aren't really into the whole RS scene and buy them because they are cheap for decent BHP, when they bring a car in with a multitude of problems and what you to fix it for £2.50, £3 at a push and you do your best for under a fiver the second something else goes wrong they turn up screaming merry hell and threatening to shout it to the world on the WWW even thought it hasn't anything to do with any work that has been carried out!!!!! That's the reason that many tuners are turning their back on the RS marque due to the fact there are soooo many wankers out there that don't realise that a 20 year old cossie in all honesty is a time bomb waiting to go off....lol

Probably why Rob decided to spend £25k on a MOT bay instead of putting it towards a Dyno Dynamics RR...


Agree with me or not it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it....


Steve

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..people keep saying its dying this RS scene BOLLOCKS i am still doin well.

This site did nothing for me as it was the TELEPHONE that got me my business not to mention my prices ...if you want to make money self employed you got to communicate in person IMO..the internet is bollocks thats why i talk bollocks on the net

Keep it real..2 worlds to most..Life and internet

I hope Petrucci made a fortune..BUT its damn rude to just fuck off and not say anything..even if he comes in tommorrow to explain,he has NO respect from me.

There are 2 types of people in this world....Nice and cunts.

MikeR

Lee, my comments were not directed at you but there have been a few a comments made that l feel are unjust

Steve i agree with what you are saying

Mike

SteveB

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100% agree with that...... good old telephone and talking is the best way, it also answers questions much quicker!!!! I fookin hate text messgaes as well....

Big G

Thing is it spiralled from a Club to a Business when people were paying subscriptions and traders paying fees, all be it to cover the costs of its upkeep,
But you will keep getting these arguments as some see the place as a club, and others a business.

S1rst

But surely the only people to see it as a business are the people who have had a financial benefit from it?

Surely, to everyone else its a club/forum.

Big G

If people took a breif moment to consider how much money could be handed over to the PF kitty, then you may look at it as a business.
I am sure when Stu started this place up he never imagined, dreamed or had the slightest idea it would grow and become what it is/was, and he probably started off as a forum/club and it just grew into the monster that we have now.

OldSkoolRS

I'm a cunt and I don't care!