electronic throttle body - signal inputs?
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Can anyone tell me if all elecontric throttle bodies tend to receive a PVM input or if some use a 0-5 voltage etc?
I basically need to open and shut one on a switch, I dont need any finer control than just "open" and "closed"
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I basically need to open and shut one on a switch, I dont need any finer control than just "open" and "closed"
Any advice on how to do that would be appreciated
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So not likely to be in my local breakers yard then? ![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Right, going back to the original question then please, which as far as I can see no one seemed to understand, I want to be able to flick a switch and it open a throttle body basically if people are in any doubt of what im trying to do
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Right, going back to the original question then please, which as far as I can see no one seemed to understand, I want to be able to flick a switch and it open a throttle body basically if people are in any doubt of what im trying to do
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So not likely to be in my local breakers yard then? ![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
Right, going back to the original question then please, which as far as I can see no one seemed to understand, I want to be able to flick a switch and it open a throttle body basically if people are in any doubt of what im trying to do![Top](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/smile011.gif)
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Right, going back to the original question then please, which as far as I can see no one seemed to understand, I want to be able to flick a switch and it open a throttle body basically if people are in any doubt of what im trying to do
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we use them on the F1 TAG TURBOS
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BMW stuff looks like its just a simple voltage to make a DC motor use, no CAN or serial interfaces to get in the way.
So in theory its very simple to wack it from closed to open on command...
I'll keep digging and try and test the theory today.
Alex
So in theory its very simple to wack it from closed to open on command...
I'll keep digging and try and test the theory today.
Alex
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Originally Posted by AlexF
BMW stuff looks like its just a simple voltage to make a DC motor use, no CAN or serial interfaces to get in the way.
So in theory its very simple to wack it from closed to open on command...
I'll keep digging and try and test the theory today.
Alex
So in theory its very simple to wack it from closed to open on command...
I'll keep digging and try and test the theory today.
Alex
+VE
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PWM
And the PVM % on time represents how open to make it.
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
steeper motor driver board,,, it isnt that simple just to open it!
pull actuator on the buttlefly is the easyest option
pull actuator on the buttlefly is the easyest option
then I need to operate the actuator electonically too, as I want this to open and shut relative to RPM/TPS, irrelevant of boost at the time, so even that isnt simple
I was thinking maybe I could pikey sometihng up with an indicator relay or something, lol
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
I need to open a throttle plate when I get over 25% throttle and am over 4K rpm essentially.
(actual numbers will change, thats my initial guesses)
(actual numbers will change, thats my initial guesses)
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
No, I cant use boost, I want this to happen even when under vacuum at the time.
Ingenius little setup that though mate![Big Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Ingenius little setup that though mate
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some cars must of used electrically operated
actuator for choke, which! is the bummer.
RS Components will have a Elec actuator
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Sadly I think the TB would just get "sucked open" in certain circumstances with something so weak on it.
these don't move chip solid at either end of travel
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I know early Bosch ETMs require a PWM signal and an analogue backup/reference signal. One of these signals is sent over CAN bus from the ECM and the other direct from the accelerator pedal.
I could get you signal parameters tomorrow at work for a couple of variations of ETM however, i dont think there is simply an on/off option
I could get you signal parameters tomorrow at work for a couple of variations of ETM however, i dont think there is simply an on/off option
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i have a 225bh audi tt (quite big) throttle body from when i was going to convert the cos to fly by wire. can have that for 50 quid i payed 70 for it and works of voltage for definate i can find out what wires do what exatly aswel
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
that sounds promising as I could use the analogue side of it
do you know an example car done that way mate?
do you know an example car done that way mate?
I will try and get the pin specs for you tomorrow so you can see what the ETM's are seeing from the engine ECU and accelerator pedal inputs.
Have you thought about running a small electronic vacuum pump connected to a vacuumed controlled flap as found on most modern diesel intake systems? The vacuum/flap could be controlled from a vacuum solenoid which would give you the fully open and fully closed positions you are looking for.
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tbh the majority work of voltage and majority are made by bosch and 6 wires id say
12v
ov
2 x 0-5v?
moniter wires? i can find out for defo tomo what does what if anyones interested
12v
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2 x 0-5v?
moniter wires? i can find out for defo tomo what does what if anyones interested
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Originally Posted by NEEDFORSPEED
i have a 225bh audi tt (quite big) throttle body from when i was going to convert the cos to fly by wire. can have that for 50 quid i payed 70 for it and works of voltage for definate i can find out what wires do what exatly aswel ![Top](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/smile011.gif)
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If it is, then sold
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