Mondeo TDCI 115bhp vs 130bhp- whats the diff?
28-12-2007, 12:54 PM
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Mondeo TDCI 115bhp vs 130bhp- whats the diff?
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What the hell is the difference... in the engines apart from the power?
(not car spec as they seem to be all specs)
Change over from TDDI to TDCI is 03-53 which was the old difference if memory serves correct but all the 53 on cars seem to be TDCI and they either have 115 or 130 bhp.
I dont get whats going on- even down the auctions they had 2 identical cars and one was 115 and one was 130.
Jake
What the hell is the difference... in the engines apart from the power?
(not car spec as they seem to be all specs)
Change over from TDDI to TDCI is 03-53 which was the old difference if memory serves correct but all the 53 on cars seem to be TDCI and they either have 115 or 130 bhp.
I dont get whats going on- even down the auctions they had 2 identical cars and one was 115 and one was 130.
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28-12-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
the tdCi's were in the higher end models hwhile the tdDi's were in the cheaper versions
I know what you're saying but they're all labeled as TDCI from 53 onwards but with the 2 different horse powers.
28-12-2007, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Shings
Originally Posted by dojj
the tdCi's were in the higher end models hwhile the tdDi's were in the cheaper versions
I know what you're saying but they're all labeled as TDCI from 53 onwards but with the 2 different horse powers.
tdci 130 is a 2.0
Thats the only difference, apart from the BHP difference
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28-12-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by littlebrownbike
They are both 2.0's...
The 130's feature variable vane turbos and the 115's are static, although up to a certain point you could get TDDi 115's with variable van turbos.
The 130's feature variable vane turbos and the 115's are static, although up to a certain point you could get TDDi 115's with variable van turbos.
29-12-2007, 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by NMS Badboy^NUTTER^
Same story as the VAG 1.8T units, 150, 180 or 225 brake, all the same basic engine
29-12-2007, 03:05 AM
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great cars the 130 TDCI's... But make sure the clutch and flywheel have been done recently, the dual mass flywheel has a habit of shitting itself, my dads and my brothers went within 6 months of each other, Ł700 bill each time 
. Also check it dosn't pull to the left and check for uneven tyre wear, they really suffer from front subframe bush problems, and can kill tyres VERY quickly if they are not spot on. Apart from that they are great cars, nice to drive and munch miles easy
. Also check it dosn't pull to the left and check for uneven tyre wear, they really suffer from front subframe bush problems, and can kill tyres VERY quickly if they are not spot on. Apart from that they are great cars, nice to drive and munch miles easy
29-12-2007, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
great cars the 130 TDCI's... But make sure the clutch and flywheel have been done recently, the dual mass flywheel has a habit of shitting itself, my dads and my brothers went within 6 months of each other, Ł700 bill each time . Also check it dosn't pull to the left and check for uneven tyre wear, they really suffer from front subframe bush problems, and can kill tyres VERY quickly if they are not spot on. Apart from that they are great cars, nice to drive and munch miles easy
. Also check it dosn't pull to the left and check for uneven tyre wear, they really suffer from front subframe bush problems, and can kill tyres VERY quickly if they are not spot on. Apart from that they are great cars, nice to drive and munch miles easy I had one for 2 years so I am fully aware about the tyre munching
but the flywheel thing- my mate had his done and I honestly drove mine like I stole it as it was a work car and had no probs in best part of 80k.. I can only say thats luck of the draw- Ł700 sounds nice and cheap.. Maybe I'll buy a golf instead.
29-12-2007, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by littlebrownbike
Ł700? That is cheap, most people pay around Ł1000
I dont think DMF are a weak point, people just need to learn how to drive. If they bothered to read the manual they would learn that the car needs to be driven a bit differently.
I dont think DMF are a weak point, people just need to learn how to drive. If they bothered to read the manual they would learn that the car needs to be driven a bit differently.
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Mainly the gears, the manual says dont shift into 3rd gear until your doing 25mph, or 4th until your doing 33mph and 5th until your doing 45mph but most people dont bother to read it and will drive around in the wrong gear
I've been in a few TDCi's as a passenger and have seen people put it in 5th at 30mph while the engine is doing around 900rpm and you can hear the clutch and flywheel eating themselves yet they dont change down
You musn't try and pull away in 2nd either, even if your still rolling at 5mph as you'll have to slip the clutch to stop it from kangarooing, instead double declutch into 1st.
1st = 10mph
2nd = 20mph
3rd = 30mph
4th = 40mph
5th = 50mph
Thats how I've driven mine for the past 2 years and I must be doing something right because it returns 650 miles to a tank on average
I've been in a few TDCi's as a passenger and have seen people put it in 5th at 30mph while the engine is doing around 900rpm and you can hear the clutch and flywheel eating themselves yet they dont change down
You musn't try and pull away in 2nd either, even if your still rolling at 5mph as you'll have to slip the clutch to stop it from kangarooing, instead double declutch into 1st.
1st = 10mph
2nd = 20mph
3rd = 30mph
4th = 40mph
5th = 50mph
Thats how I've driven mine for the past 2 years and I must be doing something right because it returns 650 miles to a tank on average
29-12-2007, 02:46 PM
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The Duel Mass Fly wheel and Clutch IS a weak point on the TDCI's.
Regardless how you drive a clutch is still going to wear out eventually and this is where the problems start.
When the clutch starts to slip (even a little) it slowly fooks up the DMF and all the fly wheel filings fook up the starter and might need replacing or if you can, just a clean up.
If you go here > http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/show...hp?tid/762392/
Theres a bit there on it,plus my little bit where you can get all the parts for less than Ł370.
If you go here > http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/show...hp?tid/724263/
this is where the buying advice is for the Mk3 Mondeo diesel (upto 2007)
The injectors might need re-coding as well as sometimes they forget but this is normally on higher milage cars,but can happen on the lower milage cars aswell.
If you do go for the 115bhp i would get it chipped for the Ł300 odd pounds that it costs, up to 145bhp and Stu @MSD does it.
Havent had mine done yet, but its supposed to transform the car totaly.
Hope this helps Shings.
Regardless how you drive a clutch is still going to wear out eventually and this is where the problems start.
When the clutch starts to slip (even a little) it slowly fooks up the DMF and all the fly wheel filings fook up the starter and might need replacing or if you can, just a clean up.
If you go here > http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/show...hp?tid/762392/
Theres a bit there on it,plus my little bit where you can get all the parts for less than Ł370.
If you go here > http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/show...hp?tid/724263/
this is where the buying advice is for the Mk3 Mondeo diesel (upto 2007)
The injectors might need re-coding as well as sometimes they forget
but this is normally on higher milage cars,but can happen on the lower milage cars aswell.If you do go for the 115bhp i would get it chipped for the Ł300 odd pounds that it costs, up to 145bhp and Stu @MSD does it.
Havent had mine done yet, but its supposed to transform the car totaly.
Hope this helps Shings.
29-12-2007, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by littlebrownbike
Mainly the gears, the manual says dont shift into 3rd gear until your doing 25mph, or 4th until your doing 33mph and 5th until your doing 45mph but most people dont bother to read it and will drive around in the wrong gear
I've been in a few TDCi's as a passenger and have seen people put it in 5th at 30mph while the engine is doing around 900rpm and you can hear the clutch and flywheel eating themselves yet they dont change down
You musn't try and pull away in 2nd either, even if your still rolling at 5mph as you'll have to slip the clutch to stop it from kangarooing, instead double declutch into 1st.
1st = 10mph
2nd = 20mph
3rd = 30mph
4th = 40mph
5th = 50mph
Thats how I've driven mine for the past 2 years and I must be doing something right because it returns 650 miles to a tank on average
I've been in a few TDCi's as a passenger and have seen people put it in 5th at 30mph while the engine is doing around 900rpm and you can hear the clutch and flywheel eating themselves yet they dont change down
You musn't try and pull away in 2nd either, even if your still rolling at 5mph as you'll have to slip the clutch to stop it from kangarooing, instead double declutch into 1st.
1st = 10mph
2nd = 20mph
3rd = 30mph
4th = 40mph
5th = 50mph
Thats how I've driven mine for the past 2 years and I must be doing something right because it returns 650 miles to a tank on average
This is why they are easy to stall, which if you think about it is very unusual for a diesel... As you get close to stall the ECU will kill the engine rather than let you kill the DMF completely.
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30-12-2007, 05:27 AM
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I always thought they were a twat to pull away in 
... Most weasels you just ease the clutch up and off you go, but the TDCI family needs revs to pull away cleanly.... All is explained
... Most weasels you just ease the clutch up and off you go, but the TDCI family needs revs to pull away cleanly.... All is explained
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ive just baught a mk3 tdci 115 ghia x
the best day of my life when i picked up my mondeo tdci 115bhp ghia x, super comfy in the heated leather seats, and sony 6 cd changer,
but when i was sat in traffic i noticed tht the clutch was making a knocking noise, i did some reasarch and found out its the dmf, to prove i was right i took it back to where i got it from, and they confirmed it, i had an argument with the garage about who should pay for the repair, as i only had the car a week. i ended up paying but it was a favour from the clutch garage so i got it done for Ł400 all in clutch flywheel master cylinder, but they fitted a single flywheel conversion. not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. any ideas?
but when i was sat in traffic i noticed tht the clutch was making a knocking noise, i did some reasarch and found out its the dmf, to prove i was right i took it back to where i got it from, and they confirmed it, i had an argument with the garage about who should pay for the repair, as i only had the car a week. i ended up paying but it was a favour from the clutch garage so i got it done for Ł400 all in clutch flywheel master cylinder, but they fitted a single flywheel conversion. not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. any ideas?
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04-09-2011, 05:35 PM
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The only real saving is if you have it replaced again, but driven correctly you should see good milage from it anyway.
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thanks for the reply,
yeh i have seen good milage from it, far better than my 1.8 petrol focus lol.
i have avr 55-60 mpg on motorways and 45-50 around town. im verry happy with it. as said before its a verry annoying thing as there are no tell tale signs of it going faulty. if you have the radio on you pro wont hear it. and then its to late. if it goes completely it will be a new gearbox and maybe engine. the only tell tale symptoms i had was a slight nock (noise not feeling) when the clutch was pressed. under driving no noise, when in neutral no noise. id advise everyone to check out there clutch it only takes a min. turn the radio off, press the clutch and listen for a unusual nock.
i have avr 55-60 mpg on motorways and 45-50 around town. im verry happy with it. as said before its a verry annoying thing as there are no tell tale signs of it going faulty. if you have the radio on you pro wont hear it. and then its to late. if it goes completely it will be a new gearbox and maybe engine. the only tell tale symptoms i had was a slight nock (noise not feeling) when the clutch was pressed. under driving no noise, when in neutral no noise. id advise everyone to check out there clutch it only takes a min. turn the radio off, press the clutch and listen for a unusual nock.
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my mk3 I had was great, Id of had another if the Auto wasnt a shitty 4 Speed, I fitted new injectors into it that I got for a real good price, it had been proper bodged at some point with a facelift turbo cartridge and 115bhp injectors, once I got it back to normal I literally couldnt get less than 45mpg out of it, cracking car, and being a zetec s tdci it had the bodykit on it so was pleasing to look at for an old smoker barge, everything was so cheap to replace too.
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Hi I kinda gatherd that they would be lower p
Just out curiosity u got 1234 cylinders I was told 3n4 are reversed coding is that right? Please
my mk3 I had was great, Id of had another if the Auto wasnt a shitty 4 Speed, I fitted new injectors into it that I got for a real good price, it had been proper bodged at some point with a facelift turbo cartridge and 115bhp injectors, once I got it back to normal I literally couldnt get less than 45mpg out of it, cracking car, and being a zetec s tdci it had the bodykit on it so was pleasing to look at for an old smoker barge, everything was so cheap to replace too.[/QUOTE]
Just out curiosity u got 1234 cylinders I was told 3n4 are reversed coding is that right? Please
my mk3 I had was great, Id of had another if the Auto wasnt a shitty 4 Speed, I fitted new injectors into it that I got for a real good price, it had been proper bodged at some point with a facelift turbo cartridge and 115bhp injectors, once I got it back to normal I literally couldnt get less than 45mpg out of it, cracking car, and being a zetec s tdci it had the bodykit on it so was pleasing to look at for an old smoker barge, everything was so cheap to replace too.[/QUOTE]
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I guess your referring to injector coding? It depends on the program your using, most programs use firing order but a couple Ive seen use cylinder order, usually the program will tell you or there will be info on the net.
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I have a 2.0 tdci and it's 115bhp (113ps)
Pretty sure the difference is a tune
Think both also came in a 5 or 6 speed but 6th is a bit tall for the 115
I have a 2.0 tdci and it's 115bhp (113ps)
Pretty sure the difference is a tune
Think both also came in a 5 or 6 speed but 6th is a bit tall for the 115
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