lashed a Ducati yesterday............
12-10-2004, 04:32 PM
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Well given Pets stat's thats well over 700bhp per tonne so he's quite right if power can be used the cossie would need circa 1000bhp or a lot of weight saving!
12-10-2004, 04:34 PM
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Thanks Paul, but if people don't want to be logical, you just can't force them 
Anyway, bikers on here will be here to back me up, it's just a CAR driver's dream, so typical
Deano, your MV is outstanding. IMHO, it's the most beautiful bike ever, just above the 916/996/998. It's the same designer for the MV and the 916, tho, if you knew it
This version is oustanding, must be fookin rare... love the red and black mix up
But on the pic above, exhausts are black
That's why i asked pretty sure the red is not standard on exhausts Very nice, indeed
Anyway, bikers on here will be here to back me up, it's just a CAR driver's dream, so typical
Deano, your MV is outstanding. IMHO, it's the most beautiful bike ever, just above the 916/996/998. It's the same designer for the MV and the 916, tho, if you knew it
This version is oustanding, must be fookin rare... love the red and black mix up
But on the pic above, exhausts are black
That's why i asked pretty sure the red is not standard on exhausts Very nice, indeed
12-10-2004, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
the prob is that UK is not a bike country, because of weather i imagine, so you are imagining lots of things... but ask an Italian, a French, a Spanish, or anyone that really drives bikes all year long, and know them, and they would die laughing reading this !!!
it would take over 1000 bhp to have a little hope in catching a bike (and i mean a 600, not a 1000, would be even worse) , especially if it's in straight line
quickly summing up : Ducati 996 -> 140 bhp (at WHEEL), 190 kilograms
Cossie -> 400 bhp (not at wheels ), 1390 kilograms.
How come you HOPE catching it ?
Don't get me wrong, i love my stage 3 Escort Cosworth, fookin LOVE it, but this does not allow to have such irrealistic dreams
it would take over 1000 bhp to have a little hope in catching a bike (and i mean a 600, not a 1000, would be even worse
) , especially if it's in straight line quickly summing up : Ducati 996 -> 140 bhp (at WHEEL), 190 kilograms
Cossie -> 400 bhp (not at wheels
), 1390 kilograms.How come you HOPE catching it ?
Don't get me wrong, i love my stage 3 Escort Cosworth, fookin LOVE it, but this does not allow to have such irrealistic dreams
a 1000bhp skyline will leave every bike for dead.
and since when will a bike go faster in a bend. i thought jeremy clarkson proofed not.
12-10-2004, 04:38 PM
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wimwerf, compared what can be compared. Put a GOOD bike driver and a GOOD car driver, one on a 140 bhp bike, the other on a 400 bhp cossie, and the biker would KILL the car driver on any track, hands down.
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at the end of the day, it all depends on the driver/rider- a bike MAY be technically faster on paper, but using that advantage 100% on the road is a completely different matter, true?
just get a 996 ( cos they ARE THE BOLLOX!
) and a 500BHP cos so you can enjoy both
just get a 996 ( cos they ARE THE BOLLOX!
) and a 500BHP cos so you can enjoy both
12-10-2004, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
Deano, your MV is outstanding. IMHO, it's the most beautiful bike ever, just above the 916/996/998. It's the same designer for the MV and the 916, tho, if you knew it
This version is oustanding, must be fookin rare... love the red and black mix up
But on the pic above, exhausts are black
That's why i asked pretty sure the red is not standard on exhausts Very nice, indeed There are only 300 Senna`s world wide 27 came to the UK and mine is number 289 .
Yeah even the Race cans you get with the bike are still a very bronze colour
12-10-2004, 04:43 PM
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Alps pacino -> you see? that's exactly what i meant. I never said they were unbeatable, i said that pretending lashing a 996 on a 400 bhp cossie (or any other 400 bhp car) is totally irrealistic
Especially in straight lines
Especially in straight lines
12-10-2004, 04:43 PM
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wimwerf, compared what can be compared. Put a GOOD bike driver and a GOOD car driver, one on a 140 bhp bike, the other on a 400 bhp cossie, and the biker would KILL the car driver on any track, hands down.
a porsche with 320bhp and 4wd against a yamaha R1. how many bhp has a R1?
12-10-2004, 04:50 PM
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A Porsche has real torque mate, a Cossie has no torque at all compared to a Carrera.
there arent non turbo porsches which has more torque then a stage 2 cossie. and a carrera 4s hasnt more torque because it hasnt a turbo.
12-10-2004, 04:58 PM
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My Senna cost 2 arms and a leg and it was a second hand bike
ok it only had 500 miles on it and every MV factory fitted carbon fibre option but still I could have bought a MINT Escort Cossie for the same money
ok it only had 500 miles on it and every MV factory fitted carbon fibre option but still I could have bought a MINT Escort Cossie for the same money
12-10-2004, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wimwerf
seen the movie from Jeremy Clarkson. the one with a good driver on a yamaha R1 and a 4wd porsche (not the fastest one). the porsche won. how is that.
Of course they're factual.
We couldn't actually see the bike-hating Clarkson put out a video where he lost now could we..............
12-10-2004, 05:00 PM
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ive raced loads of bikes and unless they are mega bikes when they get above about 120 they are crap and overrated, FACT!!!, ive raced a zxr750, sv650, bbr 6, blade, these were real bikes with the rider flat on the tank giving it death and no mistake, you do not need silly power to compete with bikes, as for power to weight and all that, have a look at the likes of westfields / kit cars etc , they have incredible power to weight etc but clarkson had a shootout with one in amongst some real supercars, it got fucked big style even though it had a much better p2w ratio, gearing , wheel size, torque, power etc all are major factors, i agree that it has a lot to do with bottle but the fact remains that they get lashed a lot by cars esp cozzies, in my real life experiance a genuine 350 2wd car will trouble a bike over 120, and as for no car beating a bike round a track petrucci, have a look at clarksons r1 against the porker round the track, one driven byjason plato and the bike by some superbike champ bloke, the bike lost, so
end of!!!
end of!!!
12-10-2004, 05:02 PM
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That video was Bollocks
They had Jason Plato driving the Carrera4 and Niall Mackenzie riding an R1
The way Plato was getting well close the bike sliding all over the place I bet the biker thought fuck this its only a Clarkson Video ............. aint worth dying over
They had Jason Plato driving the Carrera4 and Niall Mackenzie riding an R1
The way Plato was getting well close the bike sliding all over the place I bet the biker thought fuck this its only a Clarkson Video ............. aint worth dying over
12-10-2004, 05:04 PM
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The strut brace ->
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And i'm sure you probably never touched a bike in your life
The problem is that i own both what we are talking about here.
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12-10-2004, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Deano
The way Plato was getting well close the bike sliding all over the place I bet the biker thought fuck this its only a Clarkson Video ............. aint worth dying over
................ and why is it that people assume that the biker was giving it full beans too?
I raced an R1 once in my stage 3 cossie, and we were side by side till he opened up the throttle
12-10-2004, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
I raced an R1 once in my stage 3 cossie, and we were side by side till he opened up the throttle
12-10-2004, 05:11 PM
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the clarkson video is a farce ffs 
we have all raced porsche's in our cossies and most of us have won (exept maybee a good driver in a gt2 or 3) so do you really think a porka that will get whooped by most of the cossies on here could really beat a bike that was being ridden properly
and as pet say's v twin 100 cc bike has torque from as low down as 3k and will pull past 170 mph easily .
i would be willing to set up a race with 2 or 3 of my non proffesional rider mates on bikes with less than 1000c against any 3 drivers on this forum in any cossie powered car and put money on the cars coming last ( dry day obviously ) road or track
we have all raced porsche's in our cossies and most of us have won (exept maybee a good driver in a gt2 or 3) so do you really think a porka that will get whooped by most of the cossies on here could really beat a bike that was being ridden properly
and as pet say's v twin 100 cc bike has torque from as low down as 3k and will pull past 170 mph easily .
i would be willing to set up a race with 2 or 3 of my non proffesional rider mates on bikes with less than 1000c against any 3 drivers on this forum in any cossie powered car and put money on the cars coming last ( dry day obviously ) road or track
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yeah that's a good idea, i invite ANYONE on here with his 400 bhp Cossie to come here and race me on my 996, WHEREVER he wants.. track, road, corners, straight lines... as long as it's dry, which is always the case in France anyway.
Anyone willing to bet money ?
Anyone willing to bet money ?
12-10-2004, 05:15 PM
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Alps pacino -> you see? that's exactly what i meant. I never said they were unbeatable, i said that pretending lashing a 996 on a 400 bhp cossie (or any other 400 bhp car) is totally irrealistic
Especially in straight lines
Especially in straight lines
do you know what it is, if your name isn't Martin Hadland, Sean Bicknell, Porkie etc etc, you allways get shot down for whatever you say and people say your talking shite
I'm not saying the bike couldn't have beaten the car, i'm saying I (as in me a person in a machine) beat Him (as in a person on a machine) just like grand prix's have different winners, touring cars, rally's........its down to the person on the day
12-10-2004, 05:17 PM
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petrucci, had my full bike licence for 11 years , riden ducati,cbr, blade, etc etc so apart from that i have never touched a bike in my life
im talking from personal experience, the thing what people get forgetfull about is how much faster a bike feels rather than is!!! up against a fast car is where the reality meets fiction.
im talking from personal experience, the thing what people get forgetfull about is how much faster a bike feels rather than is!!! up against a fast car is where the reality meets fiction.
12-10-2004, 05:17 PM
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it would take over 1000 bhp to have a little hope in catching a bike (and i mean a 600, not a 1000, would be even worse ) , especially if it's in straight line
12-10-2004, 05:19 PM
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you need to get off your high horse and re read the posts twat ..
no one has said you didnt beat him !! but we have all said if the bike was being ridden by a proper rider and he was really trying you would have lost . its as simple as that . well done in your race anyway
no one has said you didnt beat him !! but we have all said if the bike was being ridden by a proper rider and he was really trying you would have lost . its as simple as that . well done in your race anyway