That 45k RS500....
21-11-2007, 04:00 PM
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That 45k RS500....
Is it really worth 45k with the plate? This has caused quite a debate on some other forums , but what do the ford owners think?
Sorry if this is 'old news' or a repost!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/295685.htm
Sorry if this is 'old news' or a repost!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/295685.htm
21-11-2007, 05:06 PM
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I know that the car must be worth mega money, especially with that plate... it is awesome.
I would not want to pay that much for the car and plate. I can see the combination worth over £30k, but not much over.
I would not want to pay that much for the car and plate. I can see the combination worth over £30k, but not much over.
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21-11-2007, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
great car but imo no 
also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change
also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change 
I know they fetch big money but you are buying a piece of motoring FORD history , and a history that i honestly feel FORD will never achieve again
Anything in life is worth what people will pay as its the buyers that determin the prices not the sellers ,
21-11-2007, 05:37 PM
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For 45k...... a old sierra that'll never be usable to keep value or a 996 turbo and change??????
Stunning car though but at least 10k over priced IMO.
Stunning car though but at least 10k over priced IMO.
21-11-2007, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by mechanic28
great car but imo no also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change
also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change I know they fetch big money but you are buying a piece of motoring FORD history , and a history that i honestly feel FORD will never achieve again
Anything in life is worth what people will pay as its the buyers that determin the prices not the sellers ,
21-11-2007, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
For 45k...... a old sierra that'll never be usable to keep value or a 996 turbo and change??????
Stunning car though but at least 10k over priced IMO.
Stunning car though but at least 10k over priced IMO.
21-11-2007, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr S1
Whats a decent useable 500 go for these days Paul ?
But if you want a mint example of any colour with around 50k miles then you will need aprox 20k and the prices are just going up and up
If your looking for a more usable car then 15 / 16k should buy you a very good clean car with history
A unpainted very low miles car is now reaching 25k and upwards
21-11-2007, 06:07 PM
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Just dont see the point tbh
I had my 3 door with 500 bits and looks the same, and can use it harder without worrying, but this is just me
20k would get me a decent 500 surely
I had my 3 door with 500 bits and looks the same, and can use it harder without worrying, but this is just me
20k would get me a decent 500 surely
21-11-2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by mechanic28
great car but imo no also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change
also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change I know they fetch big money but you are buying a piece of motoring FORD history , and a history that i honestly feel FORD will never achieve again
Anything in life is worth what people will pay as its the buyers that determin the prices not the sellers ,
21-11-2007, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by mechanic28
great car but imo no also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change
also i feel rs500 go for silly money,i want one oh so bad but refuse to pay what people ask for them,but as long as people heep paying the over priced tags they have it aint going to change I know they fetch big money but you are buying a piece of motoring FORD history , and a history that i honestly feel FORD will never achieve again
Anything in life is worth what people will pay as its the buyers that determin the prices not the sellers ,
Most people just think its the spoilers the t4 and the 8 inj
If you think about this
The rs500 road cars were built THEN all the touring cars were upgraded to the same spec as the road cars
The rs500 road cars were not a copy of the touring cars mate
also ,, the touring cars arnt actually rs500"s , ,,,,,
there are 500 road car rs500"s ,,you cant have more than 500 , rs500"s can you 
21-11-2007, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
whats is the difference then between a 3 door and a rs 500 set up
i havent got all night Look at the rs500 special Fast Ford mag from july this year mate ,issue 256 ,, i did a list for that feature of ALL the special parts
21-11-2007, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
so the brakes,suspenion are all different if so i am going back in to the corner but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
21-11-2007, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by mechanic28
so the brakes,suspenion are all different if so i am going back in to the corner but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
21-11-2007, 08:24 PM
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Ford purely built the 500 road RS500s so that the RS500 touring car could exist in accordance with the FIA homologation rules in place at the time, therefore the definitive answer is that any car built up to exactly meet the requirements of the Ford FIA homologation papers for the RS500 is therefore an RS500.
You could today gather up all the required parts and build a car to RS500 specification, and have it certified by the FIA as an RS500.
500 cars were the minimum number required, not the maximum.
Everyone else is just purely applying their own personal interpretation, and that includes the RSOC and its members.
If Ford had only needed to build 5 road cars in order to compete then thats all Ford would have done to meet the homologation rules.
Ford happily used many of the RS500 touring cars in its advertising at the time, which also endorses such cars as RS500s and would over ride any restrictions placed by the RS owners club which is independant of Ford, not affiliated to Ford, or run or controlled by Ford in any way.
You could today gather up all the required parts and build a car to RS500 specification, and have it certified by the FIA as an RS500.
500 cars were the minimum number required, not the maximum.
Everyone else is just purely applying their own personal interpretation, and that includes the RSOC and its members.
If Ford had only needed to build 5 road cars in order to compete then thats all Ford would have done to meet the homologation rules.
Ford happily used many of the RS500 touring cars in its advertising at the time, which also endorses such cars as RS500s and would over ride any restrictions placed by the RS owners club which is independant of Ford, not affiliated to Ford, or run or controlled by Ford in any way.
21-11-2007, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by p17fld
Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by mechanic28
so the brakes,suspenion are all different if so i am going back in to the corner but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
21-11-2007, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by a.k.a
Ford purely built the 500 road RS500s so that the RS500 touring car could exist in accordance with the FIA homologation rules in place at the time, therefore the definitive answer is that any car built up to exactly meet the requirements of the Ford FIA homologation papers for the RS500 is therefore an RS500.
You could today gather up all the required parts and build a car to RS500 specification, and have it certified by the FIA as an RS500.
500 cars were the minimum number required, not the maximum.
Everyone else is just purely applying their own personal interpretation, and that includes the RSOC and its members.
If Ford had only needed to build 5 road cars in order to compete then thats all Ford would have done to meet the homologation rules.
Ford happily used many of the RS500 touring cars in its advertising at the time, which also endorses such cars as RS500s and would over ride any restrictions placed by the RS owners club which is independant of Ford, not affiliated to Ford, or run or controlled by Ford in any way.
You could today gather up all the required parts and build a car to RS500 specification, and have it certified by the FIA as an RS500.
500 cars were the minimum number required, not the maximum.
Everyone else is just purely applying their own personal interpretation, and that includes the RSOC and its members.
If Ford had only needed to build 5 road cars in order to compete then thats all Ford would have done to meet the homologation rules.
Ford happily used many of the RS500 touring cars in its advertising at the time, which also endorses such cars as RS500s and would over ride any restrictions placed by the RS owners club which is independant of Ford, not affiliated to Ford, or run or controlled by Ford in any way.
Its a matter of opinion
I still say you cant have more than 500 rs 500"s
The race cars are not built to EXACT specs of the road cars ,, they are higher spec
Plus ,,there are only 500 chassie numbers registered as rs500
Im not saying your totaly wrong , im just saying that IMO it has to carry one of the 500 chassie numbers allocated by FORD , to be a REAL 500 , not a built from parts 500 ,,
This is in itself irrelevant tho as the gen 500 touring cars are classed as 500"s by everyone so it doesnt realy matter , plus i would love to own the Tim harvey Labbatts car
21-11-2007, 08:52 PM
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the road cars would not exist if ford did not want to go racing
ford race to sell cars
edit.
i watched rs500's when they touring car raced, but they were no where near as exiting as rallycross rs500's, them cars could get beaten by
16v kadetts in the wet or loose parts of the track.
i never saw a rs500 touring car get sideways like a rallycross rs500
ford race to sell cars
edit.
i watched rs500's when they touring car raced, but they were no where near as exiting as rallycross rs500's, them cars could get beaten by
16v kadetts in the wet or loose parts of the track.
i never saw a rs500 touring car get sideways like a rallycross rs500
21-11-2007, 09:34 PM
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[quote="cozzfather"]the road cars would not exist if ford did not want to go racing
ford race to sell cars
edit.
100% agree
My point is tho ,,you cant have more than 500< rs 500"s ,,
I understand that the race cars are classed as 500"s , and thats fine with me so we must start numbering the 501 / 500 then
ford race to sell cars
edit.
100% agree
My point is tho ,,you cant have more than 500< rs 500"s ,,
I understand that the race cars are classed as 500"s , and thats fine with me
so we must start numbering the 501 / 500 then
21-11-2007, 09:58 PM
#31
its fords fault for making 500 road cars and hundreds more
bodyshells/motors and supplying a lot to teams that they paid
to race the cars just to promote the sierra to the man in the street
sometimes one department in ford does not know what the other is doing
there was't this problem with the rs200, ford built 200 of them and then
canabilised loads of them for spares for the rally and rallycross
programme.
bodyshells/motors and supplying a lot to teams that they paid
to race the cars just to promote the sierra to the man in the street
sometimes one department in ford does not know what the other is doing
there was't this problem with the rs200, ford built 200 of them and then
canabilised loads of them for spares for the rally and rallycross
programme.
21-11-2007, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cozzfather
its fords fault for making 500 road cars and hundreds more
bodyshells/motors and supplying a lot to teams that they paid
to race the cars just to promote the sierra to the man in the street
sometimes one department in ford does not know what the other is doing
there was't this problem with the rs200, ford built 200 of them and then
canabilised loads of them for spares for the rally and rallycross
programme.
bodyshells/motors and supplying a lot to teams that they paid
to race the cars just to promote the sierra to the man in the street
sometimes one department in ford does not know what the other is doing
there was't this problem with the rs200, ford built 200 of them and then
canabilised loads of them for spares for the rally and rallycross
programme.
If you have a built from parts 200 tho it isnt classed as a gen 200 tho
Unless it has a correct 200 id
21-11-2007, 11:15 PM
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i going to go off topic here
if ford made it and pulled it to bits just to use it for spares its still
genuine ford,just built up race or road
the last i heard mike kranefuss (the top guy at ford motorsport worldwide)
owned a rudi eggenberger rs500
rudi's first rs500's were 3dr gpa touring cars with the later stuff on
it was raced by eggenberger for ford as a 500 but was a updated car.
i would love to know what someone like graham goode thinks of it
all, does he consider his gpa rs500 to be a genuine thing or what???????
why not ask tony mannock??? he iirc did the engine work for the
trackstar rs500's for mike smith and roberto gravetto
they were British Touring Car Championas in 1990, were they rs500's or wanky 1.3's converted?? :
ask tony.... i would love one of his sttp one liners
if ford made it and pulled it to bits just to use it for spares its still
genuine ford,just built up race or road
the last i heard mike kranefuss (the top guy at ford motorsport worldwide)
owned a rudi eggenberger rs500
rudi's first rs500's were 3dr gpa touring cars with the later stuff on
it was raced by eggenberger for ford as a 500 but was a updated car.
i would love to know what someone like graham goode thinks of it
all, does he consider his gpa rs500 to be a genuine thing or what???????
why not ask tony mannock??? he iirc did the engine work for the
trackstar rs500's for mike smith and roberto gravetto
they were British Touring Car Championas in 1990, were they rs500's or wanky 1.3's converted?? :
ask tony.... i would love one of his sttp one liners
22-11-2007, 01:34 AM
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there will only be 500 real ones and that is the ones that ford sold and badged as rs 500'2 imo. so all the rep's and built up ones are just what i just said rep's. i fookin love em, but i could not justify paying that amount of money for a std example low miles and awesome plate or not
22-11-2007, 04:55 AM
#37
Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by mechanic28
so the brakes,suspenion are all different if so i am going back in to the corner but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
22-11-2007, 06:28 AM
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I dont understand why everyone is hung up on the price of the car, the £45k is determined by the plate which the guy believes is worth around £20k. The proper question should be is the reg plate worth £20k?
According to some Reg sites the £20k seems a fair price for the plate compared to others similar, but no way would I pay that amount for a reg.
According to some Reg sites the £20k seems a fair price for the plate compared to others similar, but no way would I pay that amount for a reg.
22-11-2007, 06:53 AM
#39
Originally Posted by Mitsy FQ
Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by mechanic28
so the brakes,suspenion are all different if so i am going back in to the corner but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways
but i still say they r too steep !for me anyways All the late 3 doors were fitted with the revamped ARB, it was only the early ones that had the recall item fitted , and with the 500 being in the last batch of 3 doors made it was just lucky it had the newer ( saff ) ARB fitted ,,this was nothing special to the rs500 , just fitted as std to all late ( 87 plate 3 doors
there is no mention in the rs500 homologation papers about a " special" revamped ARB
Im sure you will correct me if im wrong
Im always willing to learn new stuff to help me in my registrars job
