That 45k RS500....
22-11-2007, 08:14 AM
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personal crusade of mine, cannot help myself when I see these threads 
must try harder.
we will have to agree to disagree
In my opinion the ultimate RS500 is the car that won the World touring Car Championship - the highest accolade there was - hand assembled by race engineers in Switzerland in clinical like conditions from the best components money could buy -and not a load of end of line 3drs converted in some sheds in England, having first sat for many months in open compounds throughout the whole of winter and spring of 1986/87 (Its funny how some RS500 owners say "never seen rain")
I would still have one though
, but cannot justify to myself the premium they now command over a 3dr, I have better things to spend my play money on.
I thought you would reply
Its a matter of opinion
I still say you cant have more than 500 rs 500"s
The race cars are not built to EXACT specs of the road cars ,, they are higher spec
Plus ,,there are only 500 chassie numbers registered as rs500
Im not saying your totaly wrong , im just saying that IMO it has to carry one of the 500 chassie numbers allocated by FORD , to be a REAL 500 , not a built from parts 500 ,,
This is in itself irrelevant tho as the gen 500 touring cars are classed as 500"s by everyone so it doesnt realy matter , plus i would love to own the Tim harvey Labbatts car
must try harder.we will have to agree to disagree
In my opinion the ultimate RS500 is the car that won the World touring Car Championship - the highest accolade there was - hand assembled by race engineers in Switzerland in clinical like conditions from the best components money could buy -and not a load of end of line 3drs converted in some sheds in England, having first sat for many months in open compounds throughout the whole of winter and spring of 1986/87 (Its funny how some RS500 owners say "never seen rain")
I would still have one though
, but cannot justify to myself the premium they now command over a 3dr, I have better things to spend my play money on.
Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Originally Posted by a.k.a
Ford purely built the 500 road RS500s so that the RS500 touring car could exist in accordance with the FIA homologation rules in place at the time, therefore the definitive answer is that any car built up to exactly meet the requirements of the Ford FIA homologation papers for the RS500 is therefore an RS500.
You could today gather up all the required parts and build a car to RS500 specification, and have it certified by the FIA as an RS500.
500 cars were the minimum number required, not the maximum.
Everyone else is just purely applying their own personal interpretation, and that includes the RSOC and its members.
If Ford had only needed to build 5 road cars in order to compete then thats all Ford would have done to meet the homologation rules.
Ford happily used many of the RS500 touring cars in its advertising at the time, which also endorses such cars as RS500s and would over ride any restrictions placed by the RS owners club which is independant of Ford, not affiliated to Ford, or run or controlled by Ford in any way.
You could today gather up all the required parts and build a car to RS500 specification, and have it certified by the FIA as an RS500.
500 cars were the minimum number required, not the maximum.
Everyone else is just purely applying their own personal interpretation, and that includes the RSOC and its members.
If Ford had only needed to build 5 road cars in order to compete then thats all Ford would have done to meet the homologation rules.
Ford happily used many of the RS500 touring cars in its advertising at the time, which also endorses such cars as RS500s and would over ride any restrictions placed by the RS owners club which is independant of Ford, not affiliated to Ford, or run or controlled by Ford in any way.
Its a matter of opinion
I still say you cant have more than 500 rs 500"s
The race cars are not built to EXACT specs of the road cars ,, they are higher spec
Plus ,,there are only 500 chassie numbers registered as rs500
Im not saying your totaly wrong , im just saying that IMO it has to carry one of the 500 chassie numbers allocated by FORD , to be a REAL 500 , not a built from parts 500 ,,
This is in itself irrelevant tho as the gen 500 touring cars are classed as 500"s by everyone so it doesnt realy matter , plus i would love to own the Tim harvey Labbatts car
24-01-2008, 04:22 PM
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Does anyone know whether this car actually sold?
Has anyone on here actually viewed the car?
Just got my christmas bonus to bolster my funds. Could make an offer of 35k for both, if both are still for sale?
Has anyone on here actually viewed the car?
Just got my christmas bonus to bolster my funds. Could make an offer of 35k for both, if both are still for sale?
24-01-2008, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by esccosben
Does anyone know whether this car actually sold?
Has anyone on here actually viewed the car?
Just got my christmas bonus to bolster my funds. Could make an offer of 35k for both, if both are still for sale?
Has anyone on here actually viewed the car?
Just got my christmas bonus to bolster my funds. Could make an offer of 35k for both, if both are still for sale?
24-01-2008, 04:57 PM
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at this thread. ths guy is funny. i know someone who genuinely offered 40k for it! and he said he would think about it 
now tbh its no a perfect car.thats not saying its shit at all but for 45k i would want perfect myself!
my mate offered him that months back! but th bloke has fuckd himself now as my mate has bought something else with he cash.shame really as tht 40k wont get offered by that many people
but tbh i said to my mate if it was me i'd go and buy a minter without a plate like that and something big power too
after all he already has a stunning moonstone 500 tucked away
24-01-2008, 06:32 PM
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I dont understand why everyone is hung up on the price of the car, the £45k is determined by the plate which the guy believes is worth around £20k. The proper question should be is the reg plate worth £20k?
According to some Reg sites the £20k seems a fair price for the plate compared to others similar, but no way would I pay that amount for a reg.
According to some Reg sites the £20k seems a fair price for the plate compared to others similar, but no way would I pay that amount for a reg.
the car may be worth around 25k
if the plate is worth 20k you have your price tag
simple
24-01-2008, 06:40 PM
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the biggest problem with the internet. people see cars advertised for a price, and them think therefore their car is worth the same.
just because a car is advertised at a price dont mean its worth that, they rarley sell for the full price, most dont sell at all. when your looking at cars with history/prestige.
just because a car is advertised at a price dont mean its worth that, they rarley sell for the full price, most dont sell at all. when your looking at cars with history/prestige.
24-01-2008, 06:51 PM
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put if this way if i won the big one id offer 35k for it, just to sit it in the garage and use ont he odd sunday, fook all the other stuff it just doesnt get any better than a 500
thats the point, someone out there has the right money for a 500 if its concourse some rich fuker will buy it for the sake of it
thats the point, someone out there has the right money for a 500 if its concourse some rich fuker will buy it for the sake of it
24-01-2008, 07:20 PM
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That's more money that race ones are going for...
and your not about to use that after paying that much for it, i know what one i'd rather have!
I might buy it just to break it to piss people off
and your not about to use that after paying that much for it, i know what one i'd rather have!
I might buy it just to break it to piss people off
24-01-2008, 08:00 PM
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IF i wanted an RS500 to put in the garage then yes i would pay 45K for that car with that plate 
at this moment in time im not intrested in having a car as an orniment maybe in 20+ years time
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NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Paul how much was that black RS500 at TOTB last year, it was yours wasnt it? do you have any picks, did it sell or is it still for sale?
cheers
at this moment in time im not intrested in having a car as an orniment maybe in 20+ years time
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NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Paul how much was that black RS500 at TOTB last year, it was yours wasnt it? do you have any picks, did it sell or is it still for sale?
cheers
24-01-2008, 08:31 PM
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this is whot you really wont
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SuAyBTwdo
roaad cars are good but been there done that,
had three black ones and a moonstone one,
just stick to race cars now.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SuAyBTwdo
roaad cars are good but been there done that,
had three black ones and a moonstone one,
just stick to race cars now.
24-01-2008, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullett
its the plate that i really dont see as being worth 20k! 8k is more like i would say myself.
I was only 16 or 17 back then too and used to droool over it whenever I saw it out on the road which was rare!!!
24-01-2008, 08:46 PM
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maybe but i really dont see many paying that much.it can only really go on an rs500. but tbh the person that will pay that is just too well off.my mate is too much of a moonstone fan and thats why he wanted it.but the owner is a fool for turning it down.
24-01-2008, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by martinrs500labatts
this is whot you really wont
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SuAyBTwdo
roaad cars are good but been there done that,
had three black ones and a moonstone one,
just stick to race cars now.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3_SuAyBTwdo
roaad cars are good but been there done that,
had three black ones and a moonstone one,
just stick to race cars now.
i agree,i'd rather invest the money and a bit more into some of teh cars you have owned Martin
Thats not saying i don't think this car is worth 45k....ithe market,or should i a say a willing buyer will decide that...
24-01-2008, 11:21 PM
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i know some one with a very very minty mint black 500 which is coming up for sale soon, is a rs club car and won iirc in concours a few times, if anyone is seriously after one pm me ill give you his number but no numptys please he wont appreciate it , the car was at the 500 day a brunters last year if anyone else went
25-01-2008, 04:27 PM
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this car belongs to a friend of mine and having seen it and been in it i would pay 25k for the car i could not justify 20k for the plate but thats what its been valued at he is considering seperating them . unfortunatly the fella who owns it has a terminal illness and needs the money to provide for his wife and children after his death . i have the means to buy this car but i cant because i would not be able to leave it alone ! the car needs to be left as is and will prob be worth more in the future it is a bit of motorsport history !
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25-01-2008, 07:56 PM
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hello tom,how you doing.didnt know you knew him.do you know why he turned down the 40k he was offered then?im not being funny but if you need that sort of cash and thats been offered,which tbh is a huge amount and not going to be offered by too many people you would think he would take it.
i know the car is a very good example and very clean(few minor bits but lets be honest what hasnt) and my mate who offered the cash wouldve kept her the way ford intended
hello tom,how you doing.didnt know you knew him.do you know why he turned down the 40k he was offered then?im not being funny but if you need that sort of cash and thats been offered,which tbh is a huge amount and not going to be offered by too many people you would think he would take it.
i know the car is a very good example and very clean(few minor bits but lets be honest what hasnt) and my mate who offered the cash wouldve kept her the way ford intended
25-01-2008, 08:32 PM
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I wouldnt pay that much, no way! Maybe someone will though, who knows. In fact i would never pay £25k for one when you could get one of the best escos' around the same money. But obviously thats becuase i prefer the escos over the 500. I suppose RS500 fans would say the opposite.
I personally wouldnt be able to justify paying over double for an RS500 over a 3 door. The extra money you pay is not 'worth it' to me when a 3 door looks the same (or very similar), and more often than not most 3 doors and 500's have similar power anyway.
Ok its a piece of history and all that, but to ME there just not worth twice the price of a 3 door. Obviously as regards value they ARE 'worth it' to RS500 fans as they do fetch the money so fair play.
I personally wouldnt be able to justify paying over double for an RS500 over a 3 door. The extra money you pay is not 'worth it' to me when a 3 door looks the same (or very similar), and more often than not most 3 doors and 500's have similar power anyway.
Ok its a piece of history and all that, but to ME there just not worth twice the price of a 3 door. Obviously as regards value they ARE 'worth it' to RS500 fans as they do fetch the money so fair play.
26-01-2008, 08:33 AM
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i love the rs500 as well as the escort and if i had the money i would own the rs500.but they are getting too pricey for a good one for my cash flow
i personally am a bit of snob then.as i couldnt own a 3dr over the 500 for the reason of i know the 500 is a rarer and better car albiet very similar
and no im not a gucci wearer who only goes for the name
i love the rs500 as well as the escort and if i had the money i would own the rs500.but they are getting too pricey for a good one for my cash flow
i personally am a bit of snob then.as i couldnt own a 3dr over the 500 for the reason of i know the 500 is a rarer and better car albiet very similar
and no im not a gucci wearer who only goes for the name
26-01-2008, 09:16 AM
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I think the top end cars under 25k miles are well worth 25+ but I don't understand why 50k +mile cars are going for 20k
A few years ago they were at 14 or 15 and that seemed about right, I would not pay 20k for an average condition 50k mile 500, looking at shows most of these cars need cosmetic work of some description or another and are far from mint.
If I can find a low miles moonstone 500 I will pay good money but I wouldn't even consider paying 20 grand for a higher mileage average one
A few years ago they were at 14 or 15 and that seemed about right, I would not pay 20k for an average condition 50k mile 500, looking at shows most of these cars need cosmetic work of some description or another and are far from mint.
If I can find a low miles moonstone 500 I will pay good money but I wouldn't even consider paying 20 grand for a higher mileage average one
26-01-2008, 10:48 AM
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I think personally, you are paying for the name and its history mainly. Ok obviously there are other changes but not that many that your going to see a major benefit from, and certainly not for over twice the price in my opinion.
To me its like paying £20k for a 328 or £10k for a 325. Very similar spec and performance but twice the price.
Still, if you can afford to get one over a 3 door, and have the money in the bank not doing anything anyway, then why not i suppose. Im sure neither will lose money.
Although, if i had money coming out of my ears, i still buy one.
To me its like paying £20k for a 328 or £10k for a 325. Very similar spec and performance but twice the price.
Still, if you can afford to get one over a 3 door, and have the money in the bank not doing anything anyway, then why not i suppose. Im sure neither will lose money.
Although, if i had money coming out of my ears, i still buy one.
26-01-2008, 11:15 AM
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I'm going to have to say if i had the money I would buy it in a shot. Look at house prices if someone wants it then they will pay what they can for it not what you would call the actual value of it
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