As above whots involed Yes the car Loom not the engine loom side just the Lights ect i can buy every thing i need localy Ie wire Fuse boxs relays But whot i dont know is whot would run on the relays Ie Lights ect do they need to have a Relay

Realy I would like to find a Cossie wiring loom whitch has'nt been cut around and had Alarms ect put in it and just go from there but i cant find one without Alarm ect being cut into it

I realy dont know whot to do

 

I am not being funny but if you are not sure at all it would not be a good idea to attempt this.
The subject is not going to answered in a few sentences.
A relay would be used on anything that needs an electrical load higher than the switches will pass(comfortably), so headlights would be one but there are loads of others, you will also need a DECENT crimper set to make the joins at terminals, plus soldering iron etc.
Might it not just be easier/cheaper to get a alarmed one and just repair the cut out wires.
tabetha

 

buy one from ryan ....

 

try dingy mate

 

Yip - Ryans is a good bet IMO

 

would be easier to repair a loom than make one from scratch. wiring is not that difficult, and the ford colour schemes are very easy.

it might be worth pulling a whole loom from a scrapper and untaping it as a guide, but it's a lot of work to remove a whole loom as virtually every trim panel has to be removed.

a whole car loom for a beginner to make would be nigh on impossible

 

not worth my agro doing full car looms, there a fucking ball ache.

i bet people think there easy, and not much work involved on a road car

 

Alan s1


must be able to find a loom dude.

 

Alan,

The concept of making a car loom aint too difficult, there are a couple of difficult(ish) circuits to consider, all depends on what type of car you are building. Pure track car is very basic, as Tabatha says relays are only really necessay when the load exceeds the switch rating or you want to control a circuit from several points.

The diificult circuits to get right are the wiper circuits, and hazard warning. Most other circuits just need sketching out before you begin laying cable.

Remeber ohms law when sizing cable/switches/relays....

V = I × R

I = V/R

R = V/I

where:

V = voltage in volts (V)
I = current in amps (A)
R = resistance in ohms

 

ian sibbert

 

ian also tell them the cost of doing a proper loom, with ETA's breakers aswell

 

what makes doing a complete loom such a ball ache ryan ?

 

1, ever car is different. so making a pattern loom isnt really an option.
2, i swear people think its just lights and wipers that runs a car. (for example heated front and rear screens, indicator and wiper stalks, central locking, possibly remote boot pop and petrol cap (could be cable pulled), ABS, interior lights, head lights, side lights, spots, fogs, number plate lights, heater control, wipers front and rear, screen wash pumps front and rear, idiot lights, and cluster lighting and minor interior lighting. starting loom, charging loom,Thats just some of them, not forgetting fuel pump wiring, and then you have all the extra gismo's that the customer wants to add in

3. The working involved in doing a car loom doesnt take 1 or 2 days. it takes a while.
4 costs involved
5 costs involved

6 and importnantly, alot of the plugs are no longer available for alot of the ford components, so you would have to pick apart all the unavailable plugs and then research and research to find the corresponding terminals.

race cars are a completely different matter though.

 

If financially viable Ryan and no major timescale was required would you consider quoting on doing a full loom (allready have one of your engine looms) ?

 

Ryan - thought about doing replacment starter / alternator looms for 3drs/saphires/escos by chance?
I can see they'd be too much work, and I'd have thought most will have seen better days (esp given the postsion of the alternator)

 

yes there no problem at all, can be made with new better grade cable.

could use proper cable

 

Ryan - whats that stuff that the engine looms you make are wrapped around in - is it called Melamide or something (the fireproof stuff?). If so how much does that cost per metre?

Chris

 

Cool- if you're up on saturday, i'll have a chat with you about it then

 

sorry to hijack the thread but how easy is it the replace the engine loom yourself with a pre made loom like one of ryans.

 

Chirs,

Its megamide and its quite dear..on average i'd say about 5 - 10 quid a metre....

http://www.hellermanntyton.co.za/proddetails.asp?id=562

Ian

 

very. hour or 2's work

 

what about a full car loom ryan could you be bribed to do one for the right money, or can you reccomend someone who could

 

as ryan said the melamide stuff is real expensive....if you want the same stuff (not fireproof) it can be had quite cheap from here

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.e...ng.php#braided

very similar to what we use at work (we get ours from RS)

 

From my experience of designing, prototyping and instaling a loom and then reworking it to eliminate problems like back feeds etc. I'd give 1 man a full time job for 6-8 working weeks to make a car loom from scratch depending on lots of factors.

 

o dear im having one made for mine now



pants down

 

jsut for info aswell the megamide stuff isnt fireproof, it does have a high melting point, but its certainly not burn proof should your engine bay go up in flames.

i would suggest DR25, but i think you boys will pass out if you see the price of that

 

is that the rubber looking stuff?


thats what i was gonna be going for, but came across a engine and car loom half started in megamide

 

yes mate probably the stuff.

awesome stuff to work with and excellent properties, but damn expensive.

 

Nice one cheers Ryan! I have about 6 metres of it at home and didnt know how much to sell it for!!

 

i was thinking about making my own car loom but just coppying the one removed but leaving out allot of stuff like rear wiper motor, electric windows,central locking etc as i found this site to get all thats needed, hopefully

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.e...e/homepage.php

 

Bollock not righting it out for the 3rd time
Ok i get the idea its going to be alot of work for me to do it

I have asked RYAN in the past and he's also helped me out with other wiring issues i've had on the phone BIG THANKS for that But a complete car loom he said would cost ALOT to do and alot of wire

And THANKS to all that have replied i did right a reply to you all in 1 big list but lost it all twise so not doing it a 3rd time

 

I think I should bet my arse down to night school to do auto electrics...

 

Alan s1 little tip for you when writing long replies mate. before clicking the submit button, press Ctrl & a to select all the text in the reply box, and then Ctrl & c to copy it to the clipboard. then press the submit button and if you get an error you simply go back a page to the reply and press Ctrl & v to paste the text in the box again so that you don't have to write it out again

 

Alan s1
Why not find a boggo sierra loom? Apart from a few wires, its practically the same as the cosworth loom (bar the engine loom and the ABS) I dont reckon mant base models had alarms spliced into them

 

I've done that already but im have alot of problems when it comes down to the the ABS

Nick thanks for the the tip but im usless with cumputers

 

how do you even switch it on if you can't even follow simple instructions like that?

 

Ons the easy bit