xr2i-carl

schumacher was awesome

who else can be disq for two races, banned from participating in another two and still win 8 races and become world champ

those 4 races he was disq/banned were won by Hill, so out of 6 wins in 1994 that HILL won 4 of them schu was either not there or disq

schu still won 8 that year

hill was never a match for schu, belgiam 95, think about it

Carl

Robski

I hope Hamilton wins the title,but lets not count our chickens yet...that Alonso is one jammy fooker.
Last Year the great Schumaccer had the title in his hands after an epic come back,but car reliablity cost him in the end.
As for 2005,Ferrari had a crap car and Mclaren had a great car,and Kimi would have been a worthy champ in the circumstances...but the car was sooo unreliable(quite ironic,as the Mclaren's are bomb proof now)...and once again the orange picker was there to steal the title.
I think Lewis is a very good driver,but that rookie tag that he has....well its not completly accurate....he's Mclarans first moulded driver,he spent years in simulators and testing the cars....not to mention the other racing formats he competed in...
No other rookie has ever had THE BEST car in the field......we will never know what he would be like in a crap car with no driver aids.....like a certain Schumaccer had when he first burst on the scene in a crappy car.....but its nice to see a Brit doing well,so i will back him all the way
Aslong as Mr Thunderbirds eyebrow's loses im happy

dojj

iTrader: (3)

he would have won the title the eayr he broke his leg as well
ok, i can forgive him for his deviousness when he took of damon hill on the corner, and he wasn't so lucky the next time he tried it as he was stripped of his points etc, but winning the amount of titles wasn't as easy as you lot think it was

RichardPON

Most exciting thing for me was the Massa Kubica fight on the last lap!

We haven't seen driving like that for 20 years!

You actually had overtaking and everything!

For those that missed Massa and Kubica doing their impression of a BTCC race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh2Lk1ZU_FM

foreigneRS

what a treat those moments were, but sadly all too rare in F1

the race in general was a corker - the most exciting for ages in many ways

i did not think that lewis would do it up until yesterday, but now the title is his to lose, let's hope he doesn't.

slowly but surely his arrogance is showing itself though - but then that's all part of being what a champion needs to be

It's Czech Mate

You need a degree of arrogance to be a sucessful modern sportsman.

COMEDY DAN

FIngers crossed for a Brit championship win.

Turbocabbie

You mean the benetton which was found to have 'illigal' launch control half way through the season.. the benetton that was found to have an iillgal' enlarged fuel tank.. you mean the benetton that he crashed into the wall at the final race damaging it to such an extent that he would not finish the race.. you mean the benetton that he drove into Damon Hill to win the world championship ? -- He won it because of his ethics and quick thinking, it was an crash that decided the championship not his driving in a shit car (his driving only stuck it in the wall and ensured he would not finish the race).... he could have been in a friggin transit and it would not have made a difference

Rain is supposed to be another sign of greats and its worth remembering that in the Bennetton with the works Ford engine that Senna in a Mclaren Ford with a less powerfull customer engine blew everyone away including Schumi... It was back in 1993, when the duo of the Williams Renault with Prost and Hill was dominating the field. Thanks to traction control, active suspension and Renault ‘s superior engine the two Williams seemed unbeatable. Schumacher ‘s Benetton was the second fastest car on the grid, using the latest spec of the Ford Cosworth engine. Senna was struggling in an underpowered Mclaren, powered by the 92 spec Ford engine.. yet at Donington Park they all got show the way in terrible weather at the rate of a second a lap.

that's greatness... actions such as parking the car at monaco only shows a great mind and incredible commitment.
The continued support Schumi received from team mates such as Rubens and Irvine who on many occasions gifted him wins ensure that the statistics are flattering rather than factual.

Whatever your view on Michael, you can not get away from the fact that he recieved incredible support from his team mates, the role was to help Schumi win the title... he can never be considered the greatest as he never faced a competitive team mate, this and the ethical questions ensure that Schumacher's legacy is tainted

Its also worth remembering that Schumi never put in a championship challenge in the Ferrari untill Ross Borne and Rory Byrne who masterminded his championship campaign in Benetton arrived at Ferrari.. it could be said that these people are responsible for the success, which could be supported by the fact that since leaving or taking sabbaticals the team has deteriorated in reliability and performance.

Schumi is the cleverest and most focused driver ever without a doubt, but would his stats be as good without another driver supporting him.... the questions regarding parking the car, cheating, crashing a car only to park it on the race line so the race is stopped.....Championship deciding accidents, there are just to many questions for him to be considered great in the same manner as Fangio, Prost, Senna
which is a shame as he probably should be but we will never truly know.

4x4

link doesn't work

Linsay

Agreed
Started to watch it with the intention of only catching the start and just keep checking back - had to watch the whole thing! Sato's car leaving the pits on fire, Vetten crying his eyes out in the pits, everyone aquaplaning everywhere and proper fight for positions at the end

dojj

iTrader: (3)

in light of this years race , wouldn't it be great if all the races were driven on sodden tracks

RichardPON

Try this link:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...arch&plindex=4

S2martin

Absolutly fantastic driving

Great clip Rich

COMEDY DAN

That is a rude video..

silverfox999

May have been said already but i dont see McLaren beating a path to get their hands on Kimi.... he is a bit like Sato - balls and all and if breaks the car, oh well..

I think he is great driver but not in the same league as Lewis.

Its bollox to start talking about silver spoons. No one said this about Schuy when his dad owned a go-kart track...."oh, hes only a world champ because he got free goes after 5pm in a go-kart"....no. He had simple raw talent which was honed out on the track.

Same for Lewis; someone spotted him and gave him the opportunity, not a silver spoon.

BTW, good on you Lewis, now go and win the championship and stop that slug eyebrowed Spaniard from winning !!!

cos jon

holy sh!t, you can hardly see anything when behind with all that spray !!

Great bit of driving by both drivers, always like Massa too

Rich_w

erm. They did though. It cost Ron $14M and several Mercedes Trucks to get Kimi out of his Sauber Contract in 2001

american

props to hamilton....shame that his car will bear the number 21 or 22 on its nose next year.

and a big "numbro uno" on the nose of the 'rari, awarded last week.

silverfox999

Cracking vid! I have watched it three times it was so good. When i watched it on telly i thought Massa was being a twat, but after watching they were both racing hard.

xr2i-carl

raw talent, kimi from leavign karting to F1 18 fucking months.... lewis 6 FUCKING years, been well trained this young one has and given the best car!!

maclaren mercedes made a kart championship for lewis to win to boost his profile as he couldnt win the British kart championship!!


when he moved into Formula Super A karting, he got his ass cained by some Proper drivers...


schuey dad ran a kart track yeah, didnt have much money to support him tho, lewis has had all his racing paid for (by Ron Dennis), for the last 10 years, so spoon fed is a good word really... all paid for etc.. he has always had the best people around him supporting him, finacially, mentally and engineeringly no wonder he is doing well..

xr2i-carl

what?? number one will be on the world champions car not the team

silverfox999

Ok, good points - lets see who wins the championship this year, and then for the next foreseeable few years. Kimi or Hamilton, i know where my money is going to be.

All i hope is that Hamilton doesnt become an arse as he gets more and more world championships under his belt.

xr2i-carl

same car, kimi is a quicker, and better racing driver.. when his hea dis in gear..

JjCoDeX75

Kimi is such a mindless boring fucking cunt!

Who gives a fuck how he drives?

JJ

It's Czech Mate

You're guessing because that has never hapened

Why cant you face that you are wrong. Kimi is one lap fast

Hamilton has te speed, consistency and technicl knowledge to blow him into the weeds in his first season


Get your dad to argue past that

xr2i-carl

ok then, why on several occasions, lewis has been blown into the weeds by kimi alonso, lewis has had alot of luck and the fia on his side, so has helped him alot.. he has done well, and probs desrrves the title but he aint no wonder kid who came outta no where, he was manufactured by maclaren.

Rich_w

Hmmm. Not really. Speed, well Yes of course. Consistency. Yup pretty much but then hes in one of the top 4 cars and its in the top 2 for reliability this year. I fear he may be due a mechanical in Shanghai.

Technical Knowledge. err No. Not really. He's relied heavily on Nandos setup this year. He's also been guided a lot by his Race Engineer. That to be fair is a race experience thing. Its "relatively" easy to test all day and get a good setup by 17:00 but to do it every other weekend in around 4 hours is not so easy.

Worth pointing out that once Kimi understood the car he was quicker than Massa consistently. And as Fuji showed hes a racer which counts for a hell of a lot in my book. Theres maybe only 6 of them on the grid!

Ralf, Nick and Jenson moaning about the conditions shows them to be journeymen!

maxrs16

i think Hamilton will win this season and get blown away next season

xr2i-carl

by a sudden gust of wind

silverfox999

Not taking anything away from any of the drivers that went out on Sunday in all of that rain. But i really agree with this statement.

It's Czech Mate

Tech Knowledge er yes...he has deviated qite strongly from Fernandos set up quite a few times this year...and the tech knowledge allows a good relationship with the race engineer. Kimi doesnt have it, Ron D admitted as much

He may be in one of the top 4 cars...but he's in the number one slot


The season is 17 races long, if you win and beat the reigning world champoin in the same car, you deserve it

silverfox999

this is a key statement. He has been battling with a two time world champ, who arguably beat schuy and is on top of the points.....

Rich_w

Yeah he did the last 3 races before Fuji.

Kimi as you say may not have the most in depth tech knowledge. Raw talent usually doesnt need it quite so much

It's Czech Mate

Who is winning

Not many drivers with no tech knowledge win a title

edd

bottom line/

you cant win in a shit car.

LH is winning in what is most weekends a faster car than the rest.

and hes a slimy little cunt.

djmillsy

im not saying he wont be a great a great has to win mutiple championships and dominate like rossi on the bikes. he hasnt won it yet he proberly will but for me untill he wins it year after year he wont be a great to me. i hate alonso but you have to respect what hes won back to back title not many win them.

Robski

what a twat!!..you obviously know very little about F1!!!...Just remember what driver was leading the championship in a lesser car when your "senna" was infront of him and basically lost it under pressure at the re-start of the San marino Grand Prix....and if you read the books that came out after his death from close friends of Senna,they all said he was VERY weiry of this "new kid on the block".
Yes,maybe he chose easier team mates(not that any could be his equal anyway),but i bet my house he would have trashed them all.
Schummi isn't stupid and would have seen the disruption that the senna/prost partnership had(and since then the Hamilton/Alonso duo) and would have realised that 2 fighters in a team would be a recipe for disaster!

And to this day,i've not seen Hamilton or Alonso win a race they had no right to win......and i've seen schummi do that many a times with his race craft and SHEER natural pace....as Michael DID in 1996 when Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne WASN'T THERE!!

I just think some people in here just think they know it all by watching a few races on TV and buying some Top Trump F1 cards...i've been to countless LIVE Grand Prix's and witnessed these events for myself,,,,maybe its a German thing.....who knows?......but all i remember is a certain German scaring a Brazilian into a wall....enough said really.....

It's Czech Mate

If that has anything to do with Senna dying, you are a stupid arrogant spiteful cunt. who knows nothing

Graham S1

is there not an age limit on being able to race F1? Something to do with the license needed? Can't really have a 14 year old in an F1 car now could we?

stonehavencossie

Totally disagree with the people claiming kimi is a better natural talent than hamilton.

Yes hamilton has been 'moulded' and got everything on a plate for one reason. He had talent from the start and was always gonna be a world champion.

Yes hes got one of the fastest cars but what has impressed me is his coolness under pressure and out and out balls.

So many times the other drivers have tried to bully him out of the way. It was clear from the usa gp (i think) where he held off alosno on the straight that this guy meant business.

The way some of you fellow brits slag him and make excuses for his success is shocking

Good luck hamilton. Either way im proud your flying the flag