rebuilds- how much? wet cr test on pg2
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whats the average price for a tuner to do a rebuild on a 4wd cossie
not looking for stupid power just reliable but having the potential to run greys at a later date
just curious as i think my engine is going to have to come out
this would inc taken engine out and refitting and supplying all bits
i want to see what im looking at as i could get the bits aswell and then just get a tuner to build it
thanks
not looking for stupid power just reliable but having the potential to run greys at a later date
just curious as i think my engine is going to have to come out
this would inc taken engine out and refitting and supplying all bits
i want to see what im looking at as i could get the bits aswell and then just get a tuner to build it
thanks
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i know what your saying but i just dont have the energy to do it anymore
this car has almost killed me building it and now this has happened
if i have to take it out and refit i will just a pain in the arse as it has to be dropped with the gearbox underneath aswell
im going to start pricing things up over the weekend and get onto a few people to see how much it costs to build it
hopefully it will last a little bit longer as its only been on the road a week
this car has almost killed me building it and now this has happened
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if i have to take it out and refit i will just a pain in the arse as it has to be dropped with the gearbox underneath aswell
im going to start pricing things up over the weekend and get onto a few people to see how much it costs to build it
hopefully it will last a little bit longer as its only been on the road a week
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
whats the average price for a tuner to do a rebuild on a 4wd cossie
not looking for stupid power just reliable but having the potential to run greys at a later date
just curious as i think my engine is going to have to come out
this would inc taken engine out and refitting and supplying all bits
i want to see what im looking at as i could get the bits aswell and then just get a tuner to build it
thanks
not looking for stupid power just reliable but having the potential to run greys at a later date
just curious as i think my engine is going to have to come out
this would inc taken engine out and refitting and supplying all bits
i want to see what im looking at as i could get the bits aswell and then just get a tuner to build it
thanks
Sounds like a nice stage 3 would suit you. T34. 48/55/63 Housing, greens etc, should see you a nice reliable 340+
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You could take the engine out from the top, with a hoist...
I know what your saying about not having the energy tho
Good luck, just be carefull who rebuilds it and makesure its done properly!!!
I know what your saying about not having the energy tho
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Good luck, just be carefull who rebuilds it and makesure its done properly!!!
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its already on greens,t35 .63 housing lol
everything has been uprated inc headgasket
its proberbly a bit too much for stage 3 but wanted it reliable then it goes and does this too me
surprised you havnt seen it about yet as im out in it everyday in cov
will be out later aswell if you fancy a butchers and a laff
its already on greens,t35 .63 housing lol
everything has been uprated inc headgasket
its proberbly a bit too much for stage 3 but wanted it reliable then it goes and does this too me
surprised you havnt seen it about yet as im out in it everyday in cov
will be out later aswell if you fancy a butchers and a laff
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for the rebuilding i havnt decided yet
im going down to a skyline tuners tomorrow as hes only 200 yards from my door and has created some stupidly fast cars
so i think an old pinto may be a doddle for him will have to see
if not then the nearest is nms or reyland
im going down to a skyline tuners tomorrow as hes only 200 yards from my door and has created some stupidly fast cars
so i think an old pinto may be a doddle for him will have to see
if not then the nearest is nms or reyland
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
staffi
its already on greens,t35 .63 housing lol
everything has been uprated inc headgasket
its proberbly a bit too much for stage 3 but wanted it reliable then it goes and does this too me
surprised you havnt seen it about yet as im out in it everyday in cov
will be out later aswell if you fancy a butchers and a laff![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
its already on greens,t35 .63 housing lol
everything has been uprated inc headgasket
its proberbly a bit too much for stage 3 but wanted it reliable then it goes and does this too me
surprised you havnt seen it about yet as im out in it everyday in cov
will be out later aswell if you fancy a butchers and a laff
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trouble isnt the word lol
when on full boost its chucks out loads of blue smoke and uses a almost a sump of oil day
doesnt smoke on startup or general driving only when full boost is hit
compression is 140 on all 4 cylinders will do a leak down test tomorrow
looked at my water earlier and it looks a little milky
but doesnt get hotm well the car has always ran on the O and has always cooled down when fans kick in does take a while though
headgasket was done before fitting engine
so im thinking that its either valve guides or rings or cracked block or head
i dont know what tests i can do to try and eliminate some problems
so thinking its time for rebuild
trouble isnt the word lol
when on full boost its chucks out loads of blue smoke and uses a almost a sump of oil day
doesnt smoke on startup or general driving only when full boost is hit
compression is 140 on all 4 cylinders will do a leak down test tomorrow
looked at my water earlier and it looks a little milky
but doesnt get hotm well the car has always ran on the O and has always cooled down when fans kick in does take a while though
headgasket was done before fitting engine
so im thinking that its either valve guides or rings or cracked block or head
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i dont know what tests i can do to try and eliminate some problems
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so thinking its time for rebuild
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
clutch is fantastic mate is worth getting, so much nicer than cable
alls i done to the engine was headgasket that was it, its a 80k engine
but was running swwet when i got the car
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alls i done to the engine was headgasket that was it, its a 80k engine
but was running swwet when i got the car
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so dont know why its spat its dummy now
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Did u drive the car that it came out of in anger?
or was it runnin sweet just on tick over?
What ever the problem is its shit,
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the car was running fine, it was completely std even exhaust
fuk knows now
will keep an eye on it and if it blows up it blows up
just hope it will last for another week until i get some mode of transport
ive turned the boost down now so will see what happens now even though i think the damage is already done
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fuk knows now
will keep an eye on it and if it blows up it blows up
just hope it will last for another week until i get some mode of transport
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ive turned the boost down now so will see what happens now even though i think the damage is already done
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Originally Posted by Tev
Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
RS500/364
thanks
but i have a 200 block in the shed mate
and would rather have it all done at once
thanks
but i have a 200 block in the shed mate
and would rather have it all done at once
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isnt it more likely to be the turbo itself if its chucking out oil on boost?
i paid 2G to have the piston rings done and a recon ported and polished head fitted with a cometic 3 layer head gasket along with the seals in the turbo replacing. i would like to learn more about the engine so i can do things like these myself rather than having to trust a so called specialist with their specialist prices
i paid 2G to have the piston rings done and a recon ported and polished head fitted with a cometic 3 layer head gasket along with the seals in the turbo replacing. i would like to learn more about the engine so i can do things like these myself rather than having to trust a so called specialist with their specialist prices
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Originally Posted by Tev
Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
RS500/364
thanks
but i have a 200 block in the shed mate
and would rather have it all done at once
thanks
but i have a 200 block in the shed mate
and would rather have it all done at once
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the turbo is spanking new
but i can get it checked free of charge to see if thats causing my problem
so may take it off next week and have them look at it
but i dont think it will be the turbo though but could be wrong
plus i changed the water today as i didnt like the look of it
started the car up and the water coming out my swirl pot was lightly milky
so this could be a number of things even though it cleared up
but i can get it checked free of charge to see if thats causing my problem
so may take it off next week and have them look at it
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but i dont think it will be the turbo though but could be wrong
plus i changed the water today as i didnt like the look of it
started the car up and the water coming out my swirl pot was lightly milky
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so this could be a number of things even though it cleared up
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve
Originally Posted by cossie4i
Originally Posted by Tev
Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
RS500/364
thanks
but i have a 200 block in the shed mate
and would rather have it all done at once
thanks
but i have a 200 block in the shed mate
and would rather have it all done at once
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So do i
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Good luck on your quest for a build mate.
I remember to good old days when we were out in your black XR4 cosworth racing at Brum, firing 6 foot flames out the exhaust
The good old days
I remember to good old days when we were out in your black XR4 cosworth racing at Brum, firing 6 foot flames out the exhaust
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The good old days
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yes oil is very black and sooty mate
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this one is just the same except i dont launch it im always rolling now
but ive hardly gave it any at all as i was just chuffed it was up and running so just potted around in it, and when i didi give it some it does this
yes oil is very black and sooty mate
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this one is just the same except i dont launch it im always rolling now
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but ive hardly gave it any at all as i was just chuffed it was up and running so just potted around in it, and when i didi give it some it does this
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not so good then
- if it was valve stems or turbo leaking the oil would just burn off and not effect the rest of the oil in the engine to any great degree
If its piston blow by then as well as burning the oil off the cylinder walls the combustion process also effects the rest of the oil under the pistons and into the crank causing it to blacken and soot up
Looks like worn bores and or rings, a rebore and oversized pistons will be a minimum, then its daft not to fit new shells in the crank while your at it
Remember though it could be a combination of things so best to also replace valve stem seals again as a minimum in the head
None of the above is expensive DIY, its the labour thats the killer
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If its piston blow by then as well as burning the oil off the cylinder walls the combustion process also effects the rest of the oil under the pistons and into the crank causing it to blacken and soot up
Looks like worn bores and or rings, a rebore and oversized pistons will be a minimum, then its daft not to fit new shells in the crank while your at it
Remember though it could be a combination of things so best to also replace valve stem seals again as a minimum in the head
None of the above is expensive DIY, its the labour thats the killer
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yes oil is very black and sooty mate
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this one is just the same except i dont launch it im always rolling now
but ive hardly gave it any at all as i was just chuffed it was up and running so just potted around in it, and when i didi give it some it does this![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
yes oil is very black and sooty mate
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COMEDY DAN
this one is just the same except i dont launch it im always rolling now
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but ive hardly gave it any at all as i was just chuffed it was up and running so just potted around in it, and when i didi give it some it does this
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im going to doa wet compression test later as a dry one my comprerssion is perfect in all reading exactly the same
so this test should indicate worn oil rings
if i was going to have a rebuild, then i would do everything and spec it for high power at a later date
i went out in the car last night when i changed my water and the car ran cooler
i did give it some on a private road witha merecdes coupe thing (same style as the sl500 i think but a baby engine i think) and big ass cadilac(spelling)
either way it still smoked but not as bad
and was pulling in every gear and just kept going
ive just gone into the garage now and checked the oil and its bang on the top mark
im going to doa wet compression test later as a dry one my comprerssion is perfect in all reading exactly the same
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so this test should indicate worn oil rings
if i was going to have a rebuild, then i would do everything and spec it for high power at a later date
i went out in the car last night when i changed my water and the car ran cooler
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i did give it some on a private road witha merecdes coupe thing (same style as the sl500 i think but a baby engine i think) and big ass cadilac(spelling)
either way it still smoked but not as bad
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ive just gone into the garage now and checked the oil and its bang on the top mark
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you might be lucky and its just glazed up/ sludged up rings which sometimes stick in the grooves allowing occasional by pass of combustion gases and oil
I dont know how good they are but why not try one of those engine cleaning solution like STP etc might help remove some glaze - I have heard they also dislodge all manner of crap which clogs up other things instead so it is a risk
I dont know how good they are but why not try one of those engine cleaning solution like STP etc might help remove some glaze - I have heard they also dislodge all manner of crap which clogs up other things instead so it is a risk
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I'm trying this stuff in my cossie
http://www.auto-rx.com/
smoking on the overrun turbo done last year stem seals and guides done three years ago its more of a process this is though
http://www.auto-rx.com/
smoking on the overrun turbo done last year stem seals and guides done three years ago its more of a process this is though
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possible
heres what the bores looked like when i tok the head off for a headgasket change
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proberbly wont be able to see much but they looked like they had honing marks still in them
ill know if its bottom end today when i do a leak down test, if its not then its valvguides as im sure my old one used to do this aswell but it was so long ago i carnt remember
heres what the bores looked like when i tok the head off for a headgasket change
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proberbly wont be able to see much but they looked like they had honing marks still in them
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ill know if its bottom end today when i do a leak down test, if its not then its valvguides as im sure my old one used to do this aswell but it was so long ago i carnt remember
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