why is long studding bad?
14-08-2007, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by RS500/364
Just thought i would say that and you confirmed it cheers !!
can i go on your stand £7.50 want to save the £2.50 on sunday lol
you on the track ?
can i go on your stand £7.50 want to save the £2.50 on sunday lol
you on the track ?
14-08-2007, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
There is such a ongoing argument to what the difference between the 205 block and 200 block is.
I have been guaranteed that there is a lot more than just extra webbing at the bottom as I have heard said before.
Even with the few years that I have had a interest in Cosworths I like others can think of a fair few 500+ hp engines that were built from 200 blocks with long studs and haven't failed, and thats just local to me.
Funny how all of a sudden everyone is on the bandwagon saying that 200 blocks are crap, long studs dont work etc..
yet for the last 20 years people have been using them with no problem whatsoever. (apparently)
IMO there is a lot more people around these days willing to build you a big power YB when in reality only 3/10 of all the tuners actually know what their talking about.
Apparently anyone these days can build you a reliable 500hp Yb for less than the next tuner
I have been guaranteed that there is a lot more than just extra webbing at the bottom as I have heard said before.
Even with the few years that I have had a interest in Cosworths I like others can think of a fair few 500+ hp engines that were built from 200 blocks with long studs and haven't failed, and thats just local to me.
Funny how all of a sudden everyone is on the bandwagon saying that 200 blocks are crap, long studs dont work etc..
yet for the last 20 years people have been using them with no problem whatsoever. (apparently)IMO there is a lot more people around these days willing to build you a big power YB when in reality only 3/10 of all the tuners actually know what their talking about.
Apparently anyone these days can build you a reliable 500hp Yb for less than the next tuner
Stick with tried and tesetd methods that have proven to work
As I said I can think of a few cars round my way running touring car engines, they might not get used much but they WILL be running over 500hp.
I certainly don't dispute that quite a few people with a T4 assume they have 500hp though.
Karl- Thanks for the imformative reply, I do not doubt your knowledge one bit and I have no doubt that you are correct in everything you have said
I dont and have never thought that I am the only one with 500 bhp??
did my post come across wrongly or something but I thought I was AGREEING with you!!
14-08-2007, 11:45 AM
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I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
However, given the number that have claimed the magic number and tried (but failed) to achieve this, I think it proves that these claims are nothing more than that - claims
.
Obviously it is a LOT easier to claim big numbers and then not back it up - and that is up to the owners what they want to use the car for, but I think that you will find that there are even MORE deluded people NOT prepared / interested in backing up their power claims, than those that are and fail .
I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
However, given the number that have claimed the magic number and tried (but failed) to achieve this, I think it proves that these claims are nothing more than that - claims
.Obviously it is a LOT easier to claim big numbers and then not back it up - and that is up to the owners what they want to use the car for, but I think that you will find that there are even MORE deluded people NOT prepared / interested in backing up their power claims, than those that are and fail
.
14-08-2007, 11:47 AM
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Although potentially failing at brunters could be something as simple as your car not being adequetly intercooler to maintain 500bhp all the way up that distance when foot to the floor, it could still be a genuine 500bhp when you first apply the throttle.
14-08-2007, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Although potentially failing at brunters could be something as simple as your car not being adequetly intercooler to maintain 500bhp all the way up that distance when foot to the floor, it could still be a genuine 500bhp when you first apply the throttle.
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14-08-2007, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Although potentially failing at brunters could be something as simple as your car not being adequetly intercooler to maintain 500bhp all the way up that distance when foot to the floor, it could still be a genuine 500bhp when you first apply the throttle.
.Im sure you yourself can confirm that one could lap the ring all day and not see the charge temps one would get in a single run at brunters.
I noticed Porkie's charge temps went up and down a lot during a lap of coombe, and were always cool enough at the start of the straight to be not a problem, but I suspect his car held flat out for 1.5 miles would end up at high charge temps, that doesnt stop it being useful at coombe though where that didnt happen to him.
14-08-2007, 11:57 AM
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there are those that just build it for the bragging rights... and are not really interested in driving it properly...
imo if you are gonn build it, build it properly! but people dont always think like that...
imo if you are gonn build it, build it properly! but people dont always think like that...
14-08-2007, 12:12 PM
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sorry... should have worded that properly... it should be built to the application of the car... i.e. drag, time attack or rally... e.t.c. not just bragging rights... so i do agree with you... lol
14-08-2007, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Although potentially failing at brunters could be something as simple as your car not being adequetly intercooler to maintain 500bhp all the way up that distance when foot to the floor, it could still be a genuine 500bhp when you first apply the throttle.
14-08-2007, 12:17 PM
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Yes gearing is another reason for people "failing" at brunters, but why the hell would Lee want to gear for 1.5 miles when the event that interests him is .25 mile!
LOTS of perfectly valid reasons for a car being 500bhp and not "proving it at brunters"
LOTS of perfectly valid reasons for a car being 500bhp and not "proving it at brunters"
14-08-2007, 12:30 PM
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Lee's car HAS been adequately proven at Brunters . 177mph on 3.9 gearing, almost 10s quarters and 0-150 in twenty-something seconds, proves the power figure COMPLETELY and beyond any doubt to me.
Regarding the intercooler comment, IN MY OPINION, anything that sees charge temps of over 55°C needs the intercooling being addressed.
. 177mph on 3.9 gearing, almost 10s quarters and 0-150 in twenty-something seconds, proves the power figure COMPLETELY and beyond any doubt to me.Regarding the intercooler comment, IN MY OPINION, anything that sees charge temps of over 55°C needs the intercooling being addressed.
14-08-2007, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
There is such a ongoing argument to what the difference between the 205 block and 200 block is.
I have been guaranteed that there is a lot more than just extra webbing at the bottom as I have heard said before.
Even with the few years that I have had a interest in Cosworths I like others can think of a fair few 500+ hp engines that were built from 200 blocks with long studs and haven't failed, and thats just local to me.
Funny how all of a sudden everyone is on the bandwagon saying that 200 blocks are crap, long studs dont work etc.. yet for the last 20 years people have been using them with no problem whatsoever. (apparently)
IMO there is a lot more people around these days willing to build you a big power YB when in reality only 3/10 of all the tuners actually know what their talking about.
Apparently anyone these days can build you a reliable 500hp Yb for less than the next tuner
I have been guaranteed that there is a lot more than just extra webbing at the bottom as I have heard said before.
Even with the few years that I have had a interest in Cosworths I like others can think of a fair few 500+ hp engines that were built from 200 blocks with long studs and haven't failed, and thats just local to me.
Funny how all of a sudden everyone is on the bandwagon saying that 200 blocks are crap, long studs dont work etc..
yet for the last 20 years people have been using them with no problem whatsoever. (apparently)IMO there is a lot more people around these days willing to build you a big power YB when in reality only 3/10 of all the tuners actually know what their talking about.
Apparently anyone these days can build you a reliable 500hp Yb for less than the next tuner
Stick with tried and tesetd methods that have proven to work
As I said I can think of a few cars round my way running touring car engines, they might not get used much but they WILL be running over 500hp.
I certainly don't dispute that quite a few people with a T4 assume they have 500hp though.
Karl- Thanks for the imformative reply, I do not doubt your knowledge one bit and I have no doubt that you are correct in everything you have said
I dont and have never thought that I am the only one with 500 bhp??
did my post come across wrongly or something but I thought I was AGREEING with you!!
, I did mis read what you said, not had anything near enough sleep over the last few nights .Mike I do agree with what your saying, as I said it does seem most people with a T4 claim 500 hp.
Most of the 500hp engines I refer to are race engines but I do know you know of the builder as he uses Harvey and Ahmed to dyno his engines, I'm also sure you would agree he doesn't make his figures up.
Again I apoligise if anything I wrote was taken the wrong way
16-08-2007, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
i'm fairly sure the brooklyn car did too...but that never ran a head gasket and the engines came apart more frequently than most road cars.
if that never ran with a headgasket, what did they use, im no expert, i hardly know a thing about engines, so feel free to take the piss
or have i read this wrong
16-08-2007, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
i'm fairly sure the brooklyn car did too...but that never ran a head gasket and the engines came apart more frequently than most road cars.
if that never ran with a headgasket, what did they use, im no expert, i hardly know a thing about engines, so feel free to take the piss
or have i read this wrong
Im sure there was some sort of seal there as you are looking at two vastly different metals.
Early 911 turbos dont run a headgasket at all, but they are heads and blocks with near identical expansion rates.
16-08-2007, 09:55 AM
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yeah, there were grooves machined into the deck face, around the bores, oil ways and waterways....fire rings went around the bores and sealant went around the oil and water ways.
16-08-2007, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
There is such a ongoing argument to what the difference between the 205 block and 200 block is.
I have been guaranteed that there is a lot more than just extra webbing at the bottom as I have heard said before.
Even with the few years that I have had a interest in Cosworths I like others can think of a fair few 500+ hp engines that were built from 200 blocks with long studs and haven't failed, and thats just local to me.
Funny how all of a sudden everyone is on the bandwagon saying that 200 blocks are crap, long studs dont work etc.. yet for the last 20 years people have been using them with no problem whatsoever. (apparently)
IMO there is a lot more people around these days willing to build you a big power YB when in reality only 3/10 of all the tuners actually know what their talking about.
Apparently anyone these days can build you a reliable 500hp Yb for less than the next tuner
I have been guaranteed that there is a lot more than just extra webbing at the bottom as I have heard said before.
Even with the few years that I have had a interest in Cosworths I like others can think of a fair few 500+ hp engines that were built from 200 blocks with long studs and haven't failed, and thats just local to me.
Funny how all of a sudden everyone is on the bandwagon saying that 200 blocks are crap, long studs dont work etc..
yet for the last 20 years people have been using them with no problem whatsoever. (apparently)IMO there is a lot more people around these days willing to build you a big power YB when in reality only 3/10 of all the tuners actually know what their talking about.
Apparently anyone these days can build you a reliable 500hp Yb for less than the next tuner
Stick with tried and tesetd methods that have proven to work
As I said I can think of a few cars round my way running touring car engines, they might not get used much but they WILL be running over 500hp.
I certainly don't dispute that quite a few people with a T4 assume they have 500hp though.
Karl- Thanks for the imformative reply, I do not doubt your knowledge one bit and I have no doubt that you are correct in everything you have said
I dont and have never thought that I am the only one with 500 bhp??
did my post come across wrongly or something but I thought I was AGREEING with you!!
, I did mis read what you said, not had anything near enough sleep over the last few nights .Mike I do agree with what your saying, as I said it does seem most people with a T4 claim 500 hp.
Most of the 500hp engines I refer to are race engines but I do know you know of the builder as he uses Harvey and Ahmed to dyno his engines, I'm also sure you would agree he doesn't make his figures up.
Again I apoligise if anything I wrote was taken the wrong way
28-09-2007, 09:13 PM
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just wanted to add to this my engine is nms built and has standard head bolts and running 2.2 bar boost and is perfect. ive done about 12 160 to 170 mph runs without any issues. at the end of the day cosowrth knew what they were doing when they built these engines. but everyone will have different views thats life
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
JB,
I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
Sorry Mike I could not resist!
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Originally Posted by Karl
205 and 200 blocks, now there is a topic I could write an essay about. However as Dan is a school boy, I shall refrain from helping. Minority spoil it for the rest im affraid.
Fuck the Minority, the majority of people want to read stuff like that on here!
28-09-2007, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
JB,
I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
Sorry Mike I could not resist!
Was you told when you bought it that it was 500bhp then?
28-09-2007, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Originally Posted by Dannn
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
JB,
I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
I think what Euan was saying is that lots of people claim / think they have 500bhp, but if this figure is GENUINE, then the car would be capable of a timed 180+mph at one of the runways.
Sorry Mike I could not resist!
Was you told when you bought it that it was 500bhp then?
28-09-2007, 10:47 PM
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ive had 5 engine blow ups now all have been long studded blocks have now reverted back to standard engine 200block with stretch bolts grp a headgasket will let u know in time how long in hours this lasts for,
my last engine lasted 15hrs,10 long studs wrc head gasket wrc oil squirters after a while like nutter u get pissed off with the expense of replacing blocks, pistons, headgaskets( especially at £375 a time )
my last engine lasted 15hrs,10 long studs wrc head gasket wrc oil squirters after a while like nutter u get pissed off with the expense of replacing blocks, pistons, headgaskets( especially at £375 a time )
29-09-2007, 01:19 AM
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Sorry but something HAS to be wrong for an engine to only last 15hours IMO.
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
29-09-2007, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Sorry but something HAS to be wrong for an engine to only last 15hours IMO.
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
I do map engines over this level if the customer does not have them but in the understanding that I am not a big fan running engines like it.
Mark
29-09-2007, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Sorry but something HAS to be wrong for an engine to only last 15hours IMO.
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
I do map engines over this level if the customer does not have them but in the understanding that I am not a big fan running engines like it.
Mark
could you explain why this is mark ?
29-09-2007, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
just wanted to add to this my engine is nms built and has standard head bolts and running 2.2 bar boost and is perfect. ive done about 12 160 to 170 mph runs without any issues. at the end of the day cosowrth knew what they were doing when they built these engines. but everyone will have different views thats life
29-09-2007, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kaliber cossie
ive had 5 engine blow ups now all have been long studded blocks have now reverted back to standard engine 200block with stretch bolts grp a headgasket will let u know in time how long in hours this lasts for,
my last engine lasted 15hrs,10 long studs wrc head gasket wrc oil squirters after a while like nutter u get pissed off with the expense of replacing blocks, pistons, headgaskets( especially at £375 a time )
my last engine lasted 15hrs,10 long studs wrc head gasket wrc oil squirters after a while like nutter u get pissed off with the expense of replacing blocks, pistons, headgaskets( especially at £375 a time )
My 500bhp engine in my Sapphire that did 150-175mph three-four times EVERY single tank full of fuel (sometimes even more often) lasted 20k with not one single problem. It was still going strong when I crashed it.
My last Escort engine did 35k miles (but with much kinder treatment on the road, but heavier track abuse) with no issues.
29-09-2007, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
just wanted to add to this my engine is nms built and has standard head bolts and running 2.2 bar boost and is perfect. ive done about 12 160 to 170 mph runs without any issues. at the end of the day cosowrth knew what they were doing when they built these engines. but everyone will have different views thats life
over 450 bhp per litre of capacity that is astonashing by anyones standard 
29-09-2007, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jay.
Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Sorry but something HAS to be wrong for an engine to only last 15hours IMO.
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
Mikes isn't mega tuned but it was a 500hp engine that done 30k, Rods old engine again was big hp and iirc that done around the same mileage with a lot of power runs.
Ofcourse I have no idea if Mark does long stud his engines though but I know Harvey does.
Really would be good for Karl to write up that article
I do map engines over this level if the customer does not have them but in the understanding that I am not a big fan running engines like it.
Mark
could you explain why this is mark ?
Mark
29-09-2007, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Every engine I biuld over 380hp has longs studs, I dont not biuld them if they dont have them,
I do map engines over this level if the customer does not have them but in the understanding that I am not a big fan running engines like it.
Mark
Well that's mine fooked then..
