Why don't you ever see tuners using Megasquirt ?
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Why don't you ever see tuners using Megasquirt ?
Just a debate on another forum really, why don't these high powered tuner cars use Megasquirt over Omex/DTA/Pectel blah blah etc etc.
It's a cheaper alternative and does everything other ECU's do... or is ithere more to it than that?
Discuss! I use Omex 600 because the person who mapped it knows it like the back of his hand. And we've seen good results with Omex and Jenveys.
It's a cheaper alternative and does everything other ECU's do... or is ithere more to it than that?
Discuss! I use Omex 600 because the person who mapped it knows it like the back of his hand. And we've seen good results with Omex and Jenveys.
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I was told that Megasquirt was extremely crude system but I have since been told on here that this isn't the case so I too would like to know the answer to this question.
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i would say that it is mostly because they do not want to stake their reputation on something that may not be a reliable piece of hardware (if not built properly). even if they map it perfectly and then a transistor or something overheats due to not being soldered in properly and melts the engine the finger would be immediately pointed at the tuner that mapped it
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i would say that it is mostly because they do not want to stake their reputation on something that may not be a reliable piece of hardware (if not built properly). even if they map it perfectly and then a transistor or something overheats due to not being soldered in properly and melts the engine the finger would be immediately pointed at the tuner that mapped it
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Couple of obvious points that spring to mind:
Support: You need something updating on your Pectel T2 or need something new in Descpro etc. you can contact Pectel direct who make the product and get it sorted. (Just using Pectel as an example here), Who do you contact that you can trust if you're stuck with Megasquirt?
Build quality / Components: Megasquirt is a great bit of kit, and I was very impressed with a certain 3-door mapped by someone on here as it goes. BUT, the quality of the ECU itself, the components etc. Is it tested under extreme conditions ie. a race / rally car, is it waterproof? Is it reliable - That depends largely on who has soldered the connections LOL
Experience: If your tuner has used Pectel or Omex or DTA or whatever for 10 years and knows it inside out, they probably won't be over eager to switch to something new that's at the lower end of the market and perceived as the 'value' type ECU. I know I wouldn't be overly keen on it especially as most of the top tuners out there don't have time to do a Sudoko puzzle let alone learn how to build / install and map a new ECU...
There are plenty more reasons but that's just a few I can think of off the top of my head.
HTH
Support: You need something updating on your Pectel T2 or need something new in Descpro etc. you can contact Pectel direct who make the product and get it sorted. (Just using Pectel as an example here), Who do you contact that you can trust if you're stuck with Megasquirt?
Build quality / Components: Megasquirt is a great bit of kit, and I was very impressed with a certain 3-door mapped by someone on here as it goes. BUT, the quality of the ECU itself, the components etc. Is it tested under extreme conditions ie. a race / rally car, is it waterproof? Is it reliable - That depends largely on who has soldered the connections LOL
Experience: If your tuner has used Pectel or Omex or DTA or whatever for 10 years and knows it inside out, they probably won't be over eager to switch to something new that's at the lower end of the market and perceived as the 'value' type ECU. I know I wouldn't be overly keen on it especially as most of the top tuners out there don't have time to do a Sudoko puzzle let alone learn how to build / install and map a new ECU...
There are plenty more reasons but that's just a few I can think of off the top of my head.
HTH
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Why dont more people drive Skoda's ?
make more sense in Norwegian
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why did you asked if the ms is waterproof?
surly the others ain't any more waterproof
tough think MS is tested allot in the US, as it aint that big in Europe yet.
surly it tested in street racing drag racing tracks.
and if a resistor goes to heaven in the other ones?
surly some tuners dont like it because its allot cheaper then many other after marked ecus, as they look at it as cheep rubbish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne...y.27s_Internet
some on that thing i think could help
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MS is great but you do have to get pretty involved to get the best from it.
There is a great forum for back up which i have never had to wait longer than a day for someone to answer my question on.
Also if you bought a unit from efiextra - phil ringwood, he supplies very good support.
It is true that MS isn't built with automotive specific technology but it has lasted in some severe environments, desert racing etc. All down to how you mount it and wire it.
If you want a cheap ECU that uses surface mount technology and the same conectors as Motec you can't go far wrong with a VEMS unit.
It is based on MS but has been developed into a comercial product.
It even has a built in wideband and EGT controller.
A 4 cylinder unit is £340
Doug.
There is a great forum for back up which i have never had to wait longer than a day for someone to answer my question on.
Also if you bought a unit from efiextra - phil ringwood, he supplies very good support.
It is true that MS isn't built with automotive specific technology but it has lasted in some severe environments, desert racing etc. All down to how you mount it and wire it.
If you want a cheap ECU that uses surface mount technology and the same conectors as Motec you can't go far wrong with a VEMS unit.
It is based on MS but has been developed into a comercial product.
It even has a built in wideband and EGT controller.
A 4 cylinder unit is £340
Doug.
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Why dont more people drive Skoda's ?
i would imagine its because people view megasquirt as cheap and nasty to a certain extent because it is specificly aimed at the low budget customer, therefore is RC developments and MAD started using it, alot of their more well off customers might decide to go elsewhere as they dont want a poormans budget POS ecu on there escort cossie or evo...
the tuning industry is just like fashion in that sense, most people who can, will have the most expensive things on their car just so they can put it on their spec list and put stickers on their car telling everyone so.
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Why dont more people drive Skoda's ?
Beacuase they are crap, just like megasquirt.
Crap budget rubbish and I know 2 very reputable mappers who wont even bother entertaining mapping because it is so garbage.
End of.
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Originally Posted by V6 EDC
Sorry, but what is Megasquirt?
Hope this helps
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Originally Posted by COMEDY DAN
Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Why dont more people drive Skoda's ?
Beacuase they are crap, just like megasquirt.
Crap budget rubbish and I know 2 very reputable mappers who wont even bother entertaining mapping because it is so garbage.
End of.
Just like MS really.
Dan - have you ever mapped MS or any other system for comparison?
I would love you to have a drive in colins 3dr and then a marelli managed 3dr blindfolded (if that was possible) and then tell me what car is running what management.
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Originally Posted by marky_g
U get what u pay 4.....nuff said
You come over and i'll convert your car from MFI to efi running MS and insted of charging you a grand i'll charge you five grand just to make you feel better.
In no way does your above comment relate to the car tuning industry.
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Originally Posted by marky_g
U get what u pay 4.....nuff said
Have you not come across VEMs before... being into jap stuff. I know alot of 200sx boys are running it.
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just saying i wouldn't use it, who said my car was still mfi?
its a universal statement
seeings as i no so little about car the "modified car world" all leave u do it
its a universal statement
seeings as i no so little about car the "modified car world" all leave u do it
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From what i understand Ms is is a DIY system with Users Wrighting code and helping each other out , It very much self learnt
From my point of view i think building your own ECU and then mapping it using your own computer is rather talented and its something that i really want to look into and learn , and surely doing something like this will give you an emormouse sence of achievement , like building your own engine or gearbox ,
Maybe it this reason that more "tuners" dont use it posibly they dont want owners fiddling with their maps or like the fact that the ECUs that they use are seen as a bit of a "black art"
From my point of view i think building your own ECU and then mapping it using your own computer is rather talented and its something that i really want to look into and learn , and surely doing something like this will give you an emormouse sence of achievement , like building your own engine or gearbox ,
Maybe it this reason that more "tuners" dont use it posibly they dont want owners fiddling with their maps or like the fact that the ECUs that they use are seen as a bit of a "black art"
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Diy is for Diyers...
Why would any self respecting tuner/engine building etc want to start messing with DIY stuff...
Tuners are there for when the damage it your self brigade fuck things up or sensible people want something doing.
Also you go to your tuner with your £50 bits of electrical gubbins... he knows chances are you're a messer and will fuck about when you leave... he also knows you aint got a pot to piss in or you'll be using something tried and tested with proper back up that you cant mess with.
Say he does map your car but it needs a new turbo.. they're £1000 for the right thing for the job- I can just see it now...
Its ok mate ( because I am a messer diyer internet geek ) I'll go back to my home forum and ask on there for the best thing for my car (baring in mind the tuner will no doubt know anyway and told you) and then when I have had numeruous polls about the differenet turbo's I'll host another one to find out where I can get it for free/peanuts or I'll get ripped off on ebay.
MS hasn't stopped people using omex/dta/autronic etc its just allowed the people at the other less affluent end of the modified car scene play with their cars a bit more.
Jake
Feel free to pull all my reply apart and argue the toss as much as you like chance are I wont look back at this topic.
Why would any self respecting tuner/engine building etc want to start messing with DIY stuff...
Tuners are there for when the damage it your self brigade fuck things up or sensible people want something doing.
Also you go to your tuner with your £50 bits of electrical gubbins... he knows chances are you're a messer and will fuck about when you leave... he also knows you aint got a pot to piss in or you'll be using something tried and tested with proper back up that you cant mess with.
Say he does map your car but it needs a new turbo.. they're £1000 for the right thing for the job- I can just see it now...
Its ok mate ( because I am a messer diyer internet geek ) I'll go back to my home forum and ask on there for the best thing for my car (baring in mind the tuner will no doubt know anyway and told you) and then when I have had numeruous polls about the differenet turbo's I'll host another one to find out where I can get it for free/peanuts or I'll get ripped off on ebay.
MS hasn't stopped people using omex/dta/autronic etc its just allowed the people at the other less affluent end of the modified car scene play with their cars a bit more.
Jake
Feel free to pull all my reply apart and argue the toss as much as you like chance are I wont look back at this topic.
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[quote="Shings"]Diy is for Diyers...
Why would any self respecting tuner/engine building etc want to start messing with DIY stuff...
Tuners are there for when the damage it your self brigade fuck things up or sensible people want something doing.
MS hasn't stopped people using omex/dta/autronic etc its just allowed the people at the other less affluent end of the modified car scene play with their cars a bit more.
quote]
I Agree with the DIy thing is for DIY-ers
But why would it be for the less afluent , maybe the more talented or more interested , or people that want to know how their cars are put to gether and built , not just thrown a blank cheque at a tuner
Why would any self respecting tuner/engine building etc want to start messing with DIY stuff...
Tuners are there for when the damage it your self brigade fuck things up or sensible people want something doing.
MS hasn't stopped people using omex/dta/autronic etc its just allowed the people at the other less affluent end of the modified car scene play with their cars a bit more.
quote]
I Agree with the DIy thing is for DIY-ers
But why would it be for the less afluent , maybe the more talented or more interested , or people that want to know how their cars are put to gether and built , not just thrown a blank cheque at a tuner
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Originally Posted by marky_g
U get what u pay 4.....nuff said
megasquirt is widely used by tuners on our bmw e30 site. there view is that its up to any job if set up properly and it isnt more widely used because a lot of tuners are scared to vary of the tried and tested tuning route.
its beyond my capabilities so i dont know personally.
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Originally Posted by marky_g
U get what u pay 4.....nuff said
And just to make you feel better I now sell MS at £670!!
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MOST tuners won't touch it because MS is much more customiseable than other ecus...
You can have what you want - and modify the software and hardware to make it happen.
That means you need MORE knowledge to map a MS car than you do a Emerald, DTA, Motec etc etc etc.
Alex
You can have what you want - and modify the software and hardware to make it happen.
That means you need MORE knowledge to map a MS car than you do a Emerald, DTA, Motec etc etc etc.
Alex
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Interesting thread.
Regarding tuners not wanting to differ from what they know etc... Doesnt that theory go out the window when mappers state they dont want to touch it.
When someone who primarily maps cars of pretty much ever type and on every managment won't touch it, I assume its for good reason.
I too was always led to believe it was crap but then a few on here seem to strongly disagree with valid points.
Still dont think id have it on my car.
Regarding tuners not wanting to differ from what they know etc... Doesnt that theory go out the window when mappers state they dont want to touch it.
When someone who primarily maps cars of pretty much ever type and on every managment won't touch it, I assume its for good reason.
I too was always led to believe it was crap but then a few on here seem to strongly disagree with valid points.
Still dont think id have it on my car.
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Regarding tuners not wanting to differ from what they know etc... Doesnt that theory go out the window when mappers state they dont want to touch it.
But in terms of not wanting to - most(some?) tuners use a base map and modify from there! They don't know how to take the spec of the engine and work out what sort of figures for fueling and sprak are needed just to get it to start.
Alex
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ROFL@Alex.
Ill sell maegasquirt to you, with no electrical or mapping knowlege, no proof of talent or previos work, but in a flashy box, with a flashy website full of flashy words, and charge you 3500quid.
There you go, im just like most tuners these days
You get what you pay for
Ill sell maegasquirt to you, with no electrical or mapping knowlege, no proof of talent or previos work, but in a flashy box, with a flashy website full of flashy words, and charge you 3500quid.
There you go, im just like most tuners these days
You get what you pay for