i wanna remove a rad from my kitchen to finish the fucker off,,, now i can turn off the water to my taps and toilets but the fucking rad keeps pissing out water

theres a pipe beside the other taps comming out the water tank but its got a radiator key type thing where the tap handle would be,, is this what i should be turning and where can i get the ket from as ies larger tnan my radiator key

this one also has a pipe comming off it a little like a capped on screemer pipe,, the hot and cold water feeds also have this too and both have smaller taps on them aswell

help me plese

 

EDIT: ignore me

 

Ginge its not that simple...


One quick question...

does you boiler have a pressure gauge on it?

 

turn off the rad valves each end of rad

 

thats the easy way

then you only have to deal with the water thats in the rad

 

cant work out how the lower valve works, it had a plastic cap on it and i removed a screw and it looks like theres 2 nuts pinched together, not sure how to work em, i need to turn off the water though as i need to trim the water pipe a little

why couldnt they turn the water off on my street today

btw ive got a normal boiler and a 2 way water tank what ever that means

i just wanna shut the water off and cut the poxy pipe so i can fit my work top

 

my advice: phone a plumber.

 

Turn it off at the meter if you have one, if not there will be a stop cock outside so your whole property is turned off.

Mark

 

your central heating will be supplied by whats called a header tank.

Most likely place for the is in the loft next to the cold water storage tank.

will look the same only alot smaller.

You will need to tie the ball cock up and drain the entire system mate.

there are other quicker ways to do it but its not for the inexperienced

 

sorry mate but the last time i had a plumper here a 1200 quid braclet and a 3k rolex diamond ring seem to havee gone missing and i aint seen em since i went to blackpool,,, no more strangers pass through my door and i wont stand over people who are working in my house

btw ive no proof it was the plumber as it wasnt till i was leaving for the ring i discovered i never knew where they was,, but hes the only pne whos been in my house who iaint been watched

now its diy time unless theres no choice

a plumber to turn off a tap seems a pointless exercise considering the last one game me a 240 quid bill and it STILL aont sorted the problem and iv also lost 4k work of tom too

so any prper help would be good, ive done alot of diy by trial and error and ive got the caps to cap the ends of it off in both sizes too

 

Ginge...you can get good books on this kinda stuff

 

the header tank, would that also supply the hot water ?

ive got both tanks above my stairs but i cant get to look inside them as its built in

the tap think im talking about, could that be a turn off or not ?

btw theres no stop cock outside my place as i live in a flat

ive got a seperator thingy under my sink that works with the boiler thats ment to supply either or both hot water for the bath aswell as the central heatiing but theres no tap on the boiler


also is there a spray freeze type stuff i could freeze the pipe wth and stop the flow to allow be to remove the rad and cut the pipe or does nobody make this stuff ive invented in my head

 

few names and places to get em adn ill buy em, remember im just a normal bloke not a builder and the missus old man ises contractors who are all from bosnia/ albainia and i wouldnt want them knowing where i live let alone on my house and see what ive got in there

 

As above mate, easiest way for someone inexperianced ( no offence) would be to tie up ball valve (float) and drain whole system unfortunatly

 

sounds like you might have antoher type of system.

your header tank might be built into the top of your hot water cylinder.

in all honesty you could turn off all stop cocks you can see and it will stop the system from filling babck up but you still need to drain the system, not easy if in a flat

you not know anyone that a plumber or gas engineer? its an easy job for someone with a bit of experience

 

library

 

HEY GUYS !!!

right the hot water tank feeds both taps andcentral heating, theres another one beside it that does the cold water too, cold water has a ball cock inside like the toilet and the water is fucking cold, the hot water is hot and ill be fucked if im gonna stick my hand in like i did the cold water to find if that has the same system as i cant get me head in there

but with that said, how can i cut the water feed to it then ?

whys it too difficult to just do that ?

 

If you have 2 tanks in loft the smaller one should be heating, there maybe a valve on the feed side if not just tie up ball valve and drain rads and tank

 

nope,, hence the post

its a newish system ive got thats a little bit of a new Vs old system

ive got a new boiler, i dont have a cylinder like them bag covered things though but ive got a hot water tank that feeds the system instead i belive if that makes sence

ive got a valve that directs the water to where is needs to feed from the boiler somehow under the sink with a water pump and some other electrics, i know this as ive ripped out my kitchen and found em

plan B is to just cut the pipes have lots of towels down and buckets and then hope i can join them in time,,though thats not a plan i wanna try unless i have to

 

ginge the hot water tank cant feed hot taps AND central heating or you would be bathing in water that has been round your central heating

this type of system doesnt exsist.

Honestly mate its one of these things thats hard to explain over the net and I would really need to be thee to see what was going on.

Best bet is to work out how to shut the rad valves and take it from there

 

What boiler is it

 

ones got hot water than the others got cold in it, the bottm of the cold water when i turn it off the bathroom cold water tap turns off, the other one coming from the tank with hot water in it has one tap that turns off ALL the hot water taps in the house and there anohter one beside it but thats not got a tap op the end of it but a rad type square key built in it

help me, too afraid to stick my hand in a tank of hot water blind looking for a stop cock, btw the smaller tank is got cold water in it and they both get fed from a pipe at the top wich i can turn off with a tank, could that be a possibility ?

 

There shouldnt be any hot water in an open tank in the loft

 

some cheepy arse potterton thingy that gots soe sort of circuit board problems that ive had repaired 3 times, its mounted on the wall and ive got a seimens type controller thingy
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ok ive taken piccys, dont go to bed yet guys

 

i dont have a loft

 

ok, here's my thoughts on this seeing as i've repaired some bodgery in my time in the central heating side of things (rememebr my post about the toilet flushing hot water )

the water you have coming into the property will be cold
this will either go into the storage tank or into the boiler or from the storage tank to the boiler

the hot water then comes out of the boiler and sits in the tank
there is a pass through in the boiler that also heaters the central heating system by way of a heat exchanger which is a pipe that curls around in the water tank/boiler so that it doest get direct heat from the burner by conducted heat from the water that is going to go to the taps

so there are 2 seperate systems
the hot water for the taps is a constant flow from the cold water in the mains, getting heated by the boiler, then to the taps
the hot water for the radiators is in an enclosed system so it never mixes
think of it as the cooling system in the car with the engine as the boiler and the cooling system being the radiators and you've got it

so what you need to do is find out where the feed for the hot water in the radiators is so that you can fil the system up again and then find the bleed so you can drain the system to do the pipework

there is a freee spray that, as the name suggests, freezes the water in the pipes so you can cho and change the pipework without having to drain the whole system, but it's a bit of a techincall approch and may not last long enough for you to do what you need to do

unles you want to freeze it in 2 places way beyond where you want to cut, and then put some stop cocks in the way and turn them off before reconnecitng everything up again where you want it to be, but draining the system will also give you the opportunity to top u the stuff you need inside like anti corrosion and delimescalers etc

 

the "rad type key thingy" is a lockshield valve,the outer covers on most of these are removable so you can turn it off with a pr of grips if you want,only problem is if its really old it could be seized up

 

which would be the prefct time to drain the system and replace valves he probably won't ever turn off again