tunes that sound like other tunes
30-07-2007, 12:53 PM
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tunes that sound like other tunes
at the moment there is that sean kingtons track thats got the beats from stand by me from ben e king
then there was breathe by that cantrell woman and sean paul which had the same music as whats the difference between me and you by dre and mnm
and i also heard a tune the other day that had the same music as daville's tune give thanks for what you've got (thats a cracking tune btw and it's an alright album
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so the question is, when they do this sort of stuff, why don't they actually credit the original tune they smapled/robbed the tune from?
one of the sugababes did a tune recently and didn't make any money from it because it was a lenny kravits sample and (apparenlty) he said "fuck you bitch, when you play your own tunes you can get your own money, but this one';s mine so i want the royalties"
why can't more people be lke that? you've get much more diverse musical ability then
then there was breathe by that cantrell woman and sean paul which had the same music as whats the difference between me and you by dre and mnm
and i also heard a tune the other day that had the same music as daville's tune give thanks for what you've got (thats a cracking tune btw and it's an alright album
)so the question is, when they do this sort of stuff, why don't they actually credit the original tune they smapled/robbed the tune from?
one of the sugababes did a tune recently and didn't make any money from it because it was a lenny kravits sample and (apparenlty) he said "fuck you bitch, when you play your own tunes you can get your own money, but this one';s mine so i want the royalties"
why can't more people be lke that? you've get much more diverse musical ability then
30-07-2007, 01:05 PM
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Erm, thats not strictly true 
My mate is the guitarist in Mutya Buena's live band, and she's doing alright out of that track
Artists, most of the time, don't just rob other artists music and without permission/licensing rights - cos they would get sued for fuck! Rights are got, deals are made, royalty cheques get distributed....
My mate is the guitarist in Mutya Buena's live band, and she's doing alright out of that track Artists, most of the time, don't just rob other artists music and without permission/licensing rights - cos they would get sued for fuck! Rights are got, deals are made, royalty cheques get distributed....
30-07-2007, 02:18 PM
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but why do you get so many tunes that are just the same as others then?
and i'm not on about new tunes, i'm on about back in the day tunes when vanilla ice wngled soemthing out of queen when he said he added an extra little twange to the start ofunder pressure/ice ice baby
and i'm not on about new tunes, i'm on about back in the day tunes when vanilla ice wngled soemthing out of queen when he said he added an extra little twange to the start ofunder pressure/ice ice baby
30-07-2007, 03:50 PM
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Because many many artists don't have creative talent. Look at all the remakes of films, and sequels to that matter... why? Because it's easier to work with something that already exists than it is to create something new.
Add to that, that if you take a popular and successful bit of music and "rework" it, it's likely to be almost, if not more so, popular and successfull than the original.
Take Gone In 60 Seconds - much bigger hit film than the original was!
Likewise take Boyzone - shit "band" and nearly every hit they had was a cover of someone elses song!
The Scissor Sisters - very popular and successful "band" - what was their first real hit that launched them into the stratosphere? A cover/rework of Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb"!!!!!
People, ala the general music-singles buying public, stand more chance of remembering something they already know than remembering a new song. So when Busta Rhymes sampled NightRider theme into one of his songs, or Jay-Z sampled lyrical excerpts from Annie (the musical), or Puff Daddy has a huge hit with a song that is based around "Every Breath You Take" by The Police - the singles buying public remember these originals and latch onto the new songs, buying them up, thus making the record companies loads of money and the artists more popular.
Add to that, that if you take a popular and successful bit of music and "rework" it, it's likely to be almost, if not more so, popular and successfull than the original.
Take Gone In 60 Seconds - much bigger hit film than the original was!
Likewise take Boyzone - shit "band" and nearly every hit they had was a cover of someone elses song!
The Scissor Sisters - very popular and successful "band" - what was their first real hit that launched them into the stratosphere? A cover/rework of Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb"!!!!!
People, ala the general music-singles buying public, stand more chance of remembering something they already know than remembering a new song. So when Busta Rhymes sampled NightRider theme into one of his songs, or Jay-Z sampled lyrical excerpts from Annie (the musical), or Puff Daddy has a huge hit with a song that is based around "Every Breath You Take" by The Police - the singles buying public remember these originals and latch onto the new songs, buying them up, thus making the record companies loads of money and the artists more popular.
30-07-2007, 04:29 PM
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a lot of dance tunes are old songs sampled with an uptempo beat on, get played in ibiza during the summer and hey presto the original artists who are playing a butlins tour are happy again and just take a slice of royalties and maybe get another tour sorted playing a few arenas. and the dj's happy cos he's now in the public eye. very easy way of gettin recognised imo
then youve got your bands who will take certain things from records and make songs there own. oasis cigarettes and alcohol is a perfect example. such a good song but that intro with the t-rex rift probably got peoples radars going.
bitter sweet symphony was another song that was sampled with a rolling stones string section which imo makes the song.
i think everyone nicks off everyone at the end of the day tho in one way or another, its just as to how blatant your gonna do it.
then youve got your bands who will take certain things from records and make songs there own. oasis cigarettes and alcohol is a perfect example. such a good song but that intro with the t-rex rift probably got peoples radars going.
bitter sweet symphony was another song that was sampled with a rolling stones string section which imo makes the song.
i think everyone nicks off everyone at the end of the day tho in one way or another, its just as to how blatant your gonna do it.
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Originally Posted by Thrush
jumpin jack crash - Keith Moon and Mick Jagger wrote Bitter Sweet Symphony
30-07-2007, 06:24 PM
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Compare the refrain on both these tunes.
Swedish tune that did not win the national qualifiers for the Eurovision contest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmjU22CP6EY
Russias Eurovision finishing in third.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB6bYRZU44o
Once a again russian spies steal swedish knowledge.
Swedish tune that did not win the national qualifiers for the Eurovision contest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmjU22CP6EY
Russias Eurovision finishing in third.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB6bYRZU44o
Once a again russian spies steal swedish knowledge.
30-07-2007, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jumpin jack crash
Originally Posted by Thrush
jumpin jack crash - Keith Moon and Mick Jagger wrote Bitter Sweet Symphony
OMG - I just realised that initally I wrote Keith Moon!
Bit hard for him to write the song considering a) he's not a Stones member and b) he's dead (RIP Moony)
30-07-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrush
Originally Posted by jumpin jack crash
Originally Posted by Thrush
jumpin jack crash - Keith Moon and Mick Jagger wrote Bitter Sweet Symphony
OMG - I just realised that initally I wrote Keith Moon!
Bit hard for him to write the song considering a) he's not a Stones member and b) he's dead (RIP Moony)
31-07-2007, 03:08 AM
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Although the song's lyrics were written by Verve vocalist Richard Ashcroft, it has been credited to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger because the song uses the Andrew Oldham Orchestra recording of The Rolling Stones' 1965 song "The Last Time" as its foundation.
Originally, The Verve had negotiated a license to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample.[3] Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" was arguably largely based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and then builds upon, though the continuous riff is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards.
"We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says Jones. "They rung up and said 'we want 100 per cent or take it out of the shops', you don't have much choice."[4]
After losing the composer credits to the song, Richard Ashcroft commented, "This is the best song [Mick] Jagger and [Keith] Richards have written in 20 years."[5]
The song was later used, against the will of the band, by Nike in a shoe commercial. As a result, it was on the Illegal Art CD from the magazine Stay Free!. The song was also used in a Vauxhall Motors commercial, prompting Ashcroft to declare onstage, "Don't buy Vauxhall cars, they're shit", and the "cruel intentions" film. However the band was able to stop further use of the song by employing the European legal concept of moral rights.
Ashcroft and the band's reaction to the loss of control and financial rewards from what was their most popular song was not positive; and it has been argued long after that the issue contributed to Ashcroft's depression. The band split not long afterwards
Although the song's lyrics were written by Verve vocalist Richard Ashcroft, it has been credited to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger because the song uses the Andrew Oldham Orchestra recording of The Rolling Stones' 1965 song "The Last Time" as its foundation.
Originally, The Verve had negotiated a license to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample.[3] Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" was arguably largely based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and then builds upon, though the continuous riff is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards.
"We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says Jones. "They rung up and said 'we want 100 per cent or take it out of the shops', you don't have much choice."[4]
After losing the composer credits to the song, Richard Ashcroft commented, "This is the best song [Mick] Jagger and [Keith] Richards have written in 20 years."[5]
The song was later used, against the will of the band, by Nike in a shoe commercial. As a result, it was on the Illegal Art CD from the magazine Stay Free!. The song was also used in a Vauxhall Motors commercial, prompting Ashcroft to declare onstage, "Don't buy Vauxhall cars, they're shit", and the "cruel intentions" film. However the band was able to stop further use of the song by employing the European legal concept of moral rights.
Ashcroft and the band's reaction to the loss of control and financial rewards from what was their most popular song was not positive; and it has been argued long after that the issue contributed to Ashcroft's depression. The band split not long afterwards
31-07-2007, 06:21 AM
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Song credits
Although the song's lyrics were written by Verve vocalist Richard Ashcroft, it has been credited to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger because the song uses the Andrew Oldham Orchestra recording of The Rolling Stones' 1965 song "The Last Time" as its foundation.
Originally, The Verve had negotiated a license to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample.[3] Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" was arguably largely based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and then builds upon, though the continuous riff is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards.
"We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says Jones. "They rung up and said 'we want 100 per cent or take it out of the shops', you don't have much choice."[4]
After losing the composer credits to the song, Richard Ashcroft commented, "This is the best song [Mick] Jagger and [Keith] Richards have written in 20 years."[5]
The song was later used, against the will of the band, by Nike in a shoe commercial. As a result, it was on the Illegal Art CD from the magazine Stay Free!. The song was also used in a Vauxhall Motors commercial, prompting Ashcroft to declare onstage, "Don't buy Vauxhall cars, they're shit", and the "cruel intentions" film. However the band was able to stop further use of the song by employing the European legal concept of moral rights.
Ashcroft and the band's reaction to the loss of control and financial rewards from what was their most popular song was not positive; and it has been argued long after that the issue contributed to Ashcroft's depression. The band split not long afterwards
Although the song's lyrics were written by Verve vocalist Richard Ashcroft, it has been credited to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger because the song uses the Andrew Oldham Orchestra recording of The Rolling Stones' 1965 song "The Last Time" as its foundation.
Originally, The Verve had negotiated a license to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used 'too much' of the sample.[3] Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" was arguably largely based on the Oldham track (the song uses the sample as its foundation and then builds upon, though the continuous riff is Ashcroft's creation), which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to ABKCO and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards.
"We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says Jones. "They rung up and said 'we want 100 per cent or take it out of the shops', you don't have much choice."[4]
After losing the composer credits to the song, Richard Ashcroft commented, "This is the best song [Mick] Jagger and [Keith] Richards have written in 20 years."[5]
The song was later used, against the will of the band, by Nike in a shoe commercial. As a result, it was on the Illegal Art CD from the magazine Stay Free!. The song was also used in a Vauxhall Motors commercial, prompting Ashcroft to declare onstage, "Don't buy Vauxhall cars, they're shit", and the "cruel intentions" film. However the band was able to stop further use of the song by employing the European legal concept of moral rights.
Ashcroft and the band's reaction to the loss of control and financial rewards from what was their most popular song was not positive; and it has been argued long after that the issue contributed to Ashcroft's depression. The band split not long afterwards
if ashcroft had used a song to sample from a band that burst on the scene and had a one hit wonder (album or single) then probably nothin would have been said as they get to re-form or stop playing holiday camps and get one last payday. thats why imo a lot of these 80's bands are letting dj's mix there songs and hoping they get the exposure in ibiza/ ayia napa etc with the youngsters
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