BlueSmoke

Yes possibly, as I said in a scientific sense, lifeforms originate through chemical reactions, such as moss growing on a stone or algae in water as a basic example. If this were to happen in an environment with no oxygen then there's every chance lifeforms would evolve that were not oxygen dependent.

I think our own limitations prevent us from being able to accurately imagine such a thing.

They say we only use 10% of our brains, so that's probably why it's also so hard to imagine what was there before anything existed!

RS500

No where are not alone and people from outerspace are allready here.
Yust watch the videos.
http://www.livevideo.com/video/Consp...ck-box-uf.aspx
http://www.livevideo.com/video/Consp...ck-box-uf.aspx
http://www.livevideo.com/video/Consp...ck-box-uf.aspx

kennyA

as for other life forms, who knows, maybe there are so many other planets with far more advanced beings than us.

who would want to visit 'earth' ?

most of the inhabitants know nothing,

we fight each other and look like destroying the Planet we live on. Most of this effort is to make sure the rich people gain a few more dollars more.

In fact we are pretty basic when it takes all our effort just to get a few miles into space.

would anyone drive their cossie around the globe 100 times to look at some ants building a nest in New Zealand.

Jimboxr4x4

If you want to know how many other civilations are out there then go to this website:

http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious..._equation.html

Hit the calculate button and it will tell you (not a wind-up). Its the Drake Equation, developed by Frank drake.

Also, any civilation out there intelligent enough to communicate with us will be massively more advanced than us. Its simple maths. The universe has been around for 13 billion years give or take and during that time we have only been radiating radio waves from our plant in the last 100 years. Hence, we are right at the birth of the technological age. Seeing as the rest of the universe has been around for 13 billion years its unlikely that any life form detecting our radio waves has also been around for less than 100 years!

I like to think that we might be the only lifeforms in the universe and the whole place is just a blank canvas for us to use as we see fit. It would take billions and billions of years but one day mankind (or what we devolve into!) may populate the entire universe!

BlueSmoke

It'd be like that airwaves ad where the alien turns up and they tell him to make himself at home and he realises what kind of life he'd end up with

Rich_w

Your Mrs said you were "small" If thats what you mean

To summarize your points Chip

1) No, we are not Alone.
2) The Universe is a circle. Probably a Krispy Kreme
3) We will have to wait until Aliens bring the tech for us to start space Travel. Every time NASA launch a Shuttle the wings get bashed up by Foam falling on them. You think they'd make it Mars?(and Ive seen the Beagle 2 lander footage Yuotube here
4) There is no God.

HTH

radiant red

This imo is the most interesting topic of conversation. Its so mind boggling how vast the universe is and i dont think for one minute we are alone.

The comet that dropped all our goodies must still be plowing into planets today.

When i sit and think about the universe it gets a bit frustrating as i will never ever know just what is out there

nilrem

that beagle 2 lander footage does bring up some interesting ponts!

OrionRST200bhp

iTrader: (1)

all im going to say is MATRIX.

Jimboxr4x4

OrionRST200bhp

Now that is another interesting discussion.....

Jimboxr4x4

We should change the name to www.Passionphilosophy.com

OrionRST200bhp

iTrader: (1)

i think they may have got something right in that film, especially when someone said in this topic are we being controlled? maybe we are part of a programme, someone up there's pushing the buttons.

Alex_86

iTrader: (2)

this dude was on earth, just to make a one hell of a sat phone

but regarding to space

i dont think we are alone out there, as its just endless

but that i dont think is that the aliens looks like this:



or like the supposed alien caught in roswell in 1945




as i think i would look like:






or it could look like this too




did like the planets/stars pics you posted

Rhys

The universe and everything to do with it is absolutly fasinating. however it makes my brain hurt just thinking about it as im a person who wants answers or likes to find a way to get answers but with this i think for now and many many generations ansewrs that we all seek will not come.


Of course unless something totally unexpected happens and we get the answer tomorrow or something


Who wishes it was like start trek now and we could all go jeting of around the universe?

Graham S1

There was a bit on the news about looking at the centre of the universe. But it was just a bunch of white dots, and he didn't explain it very well.

PT

Thats easy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ayujtMQi3i4



However I prefer this one better


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra5-H9ZBS1U

Carlsworth

ok,...i ve read all his topic, and while the majority is interesting, and quite scary given the size of the other planets, there is still something, a question, that has not been asked...

if the universe was created by a big bang....

what was there before the big bang...


also, the measurement of the universe is in theory

it is impossible for us to measure
at the rate the universe is expanding, although slowing down, the time it would take to "find" a new part of the universe with our current technology, another bit has been made, and by the time we do find it, another bit has been made

we can however, look back in time
because the time it takes to recieve light via the most advanced telescopes
we are reciving images that happened millions of years ago
in the same way that the sun is 8 light minutes away
so the light we see from the sun, was what the sun looked like 8 minutes go



edit
i stole the last bit in bold from a website to explain what i meant

carl

Graham S1

Perhaps the universe is simply another cell, inside the body of another being? (Another brain hurter )

radiant red

so what created the universe?

and what created that??

and where did that come from??

scary isnt it.

pjv7771

excellent post chip. those pics actually shut my 8yr old lad up for a minute so they must be good

Adam_BlackRS

Men in Black

We're just someones marbles

CossieRich

iTrader: (1)

Mind boggles with all this. Some questions are just not meant to be answered i reckon

nilrem

we can have a good idea at the size of the universe... its a very clever method that i cant remember... its asimilar way that they have an idea of how old the universe is! NASA and the european space comitee people are arguing over a few million years though... same with the size... they are both arguing over a few million meters... but whats a few million when its around the 10^83 big...

oh and i know you got it off another site... but its the sun is not "8 light minutes away"... its 8 earth minutes away... measurements are all relative... just thought i would let you know...

Carlsworth

not sure about that...not just cause i seen it elsewhere, but have a think about it

1 light minute = 17 987 547.5 kilometers
this isnt a mearuement of time, but light, and how far it travels in 1 earth minute
so if it takes the light of the sun, 8 light minutes to reach earth, then the sun is approx 143900380 k from earth
which is about right

its not in earth minutes, becase the equation is including light and not "time" as its known, and as light moves faster than anything in the known universe it is mearured to light to make things a little less complicated...lol...

nilrem

i can see where you are coming from... as in light years... but its still the distance a particle of light can travel in a year.. so its a distance rather than a time... (got confused there...)

interesting space fact
the speed of light is a constant... which is why they believe they can change time at the speed of light...

nilrem

sorry... just re-read... i got confused between meaning minutes as time as opposed to a distance, which you were meaning

Carlsworth

the reason that light cant be measured in earth minutes, is becuse "light speed" is based on the light being in an absolute vacuum
whereas on earth its not a vacuum



i was up till dark oclock this morning reading shit about the universe, and fuck me...its astounding

but i cant help thinking that
"what if" somone somewhere had got a claculation wrong or misinterperated it, then the universe as we know it maybe infinatley bigger/smaller than we know


carl

Rhys

Thats the thing that does my head in! How do they know they are correct? They cannot prove it afterall!

Imagine if another species made contact the impact it would have

Carlsworth

thats the bit that does me

"they" can weigh plantes and moons suns, yet its all based on clculations relating to the gravitational pull on stars etc around them
like, how do "they" KNOW that in the core of M87, there is an object that is 1,200,000,000 times heavier than our sun, and also, how do they "know" that M87 is a black hole and that even light cannot travel fast enough to escape a black hole, and where the fook does all the matter entering a black hole "go"


mind bending


carl

nilrem

space is a vacuum though!!!

lol about the size thing... if someone got it wrong, then we could be the biggest thing in the universe... and all the other planets you see in the sky ar actually the size you see them... lol... it ends just past the moon!

there are things that support ideas, like other planets being affected by something else through gravity or such like... like when a star supernova's after becoming a white dwarf there is a ginormous gravitaional pull that pulls every thing around it in... thats one of the ways they tell if a star is about to explode or not...

nilrem

the thing thats even more mind bending, is that even though light has no mass, and therefore no momentum, how can it be affected by the gravitatilnal pull from a black hole? how big must gravity be to pull stuff with no mass in?

Carlsworth

yeah,....hence why i was saying light is measured in light minutes, and not earth minutes


another thing that does my head in, is that i KNOW im not intelligent enough to understand exactly how they know what they know

and that is very frustrating

Carlsworth

yup
its a head fuck of the highest order


carl

The Beer Monster

WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!

nilrem

top thread this year imo... but where is chip? not seen a post from him in ages!

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Im still reading, but dont feel qualified to comment on things like how gravity can effect light which has no mass, so have kept my mouth shut as its WAY out of my league!

Benni

This whole thread is way out of my league yet I'm still very interested. Fantastic thread Chip.

PT

Agree

turbotoaster

just a quick comment in regards to the 'are we alone in the universe'....due to the statisitcal chance of theres being so i do beleive there are other life forms more and less advanced than ourselfs.

the problem also is even in this subject we are limited by what we understand, if a lifeform can do something amazing that no human can do or replicate with machines, but yet has no form of communication or base thought are they more advanced or not?

also getting onto the will they visit part, the only issue with that comes from the fact that scientists use s=d/t to look back in time at far away stars to see what happened, due to the time it takes for light to reach us, ie the further we want to look back, the larget distance we have to see.

now that may or may not pose a problem for other lifeforms, they maybe in another solar system and decide, lets have a look around this(our) solar system, due to the distance and now time they will be looking at a planet much younger than it is now.

im not gonna try and work out how far back in planets life they will see as im at work and a bit busy and each solar system/galaxy would have a different number, but say for example it was 20 million years ago, all they would see is primative lifeforms running around in the forests, not able to maintain contact or educated.

if im completely off the mark here feel free to bitch slap me as im only half awake today

Chip

iTrader: (3)

turbotoaster, I agree, if anyone can "see" earth from where they are using similar technology to our own, they would be looking at dinosoars or before that no doubt!