How comes Fords/Vauxhalls/anything non-Jap are crap @ TOTB?
29-06-2007, 10:19 PM
#1
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Northampton
Posts: 729
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How comes Fords/Vauxhalls/anything non-Jap are crap @ TOTB?
Seriously - why? Scoobys, Skylines et al all start off with similar power to Cossies so how comes the Jap crew fucking white-wash the whole thing every year?
What are they doing that we're not? (apart from buying Jap, obviously
)
What are they doing that we're not? (apart from buying Jap, obviously
)
29-06-2007, 10:29 PM
#4
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Northampton
Posts: 729
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
I wouldn't of said vauxhalls done too bad last year
No Cav or Calibra 4x4s though
29-06-2007, 10:33 PM
#5
Advanced PassionFord User
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,055
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
I wouldn't of said vauxhalls done too bad last year
there's obviously huge power to be had from the xe turbo'd and/or nitrous'd its just putting it through a transmission to cope
there's plenty of 1500kg cars competing.
but no one is gona spend 5k+ on a transmission setup for a cavalier size vauxhall.
29-06-2007, 10:39 PM
#7
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Northampton
Posts: 729
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Rick
money.
Trending Topics
29-06-2007, 10:42 PM
#8
Re: How comes Fords/Vauxhalls/anything non-Jap are crap @ TO
Originally Posted by monkey nutz
Seriously - why? Scoobys, Skylines et al all start off with similar power to Cossies so how comes the Jap crew fucking white-wash the whole thing every year?
What are they doing that we're not? (apart from buying Jap, obviously)
What are they doing that we're not? (apart from buying Jap, obviously
)and some have sponcers with their own pit crew
the very first one was the best because it was cars like mine that you could use every day but modded
now it's who's got the 10 biggest/richest pockets
if Garreth Lloyd was there he would still win the handling as he is a very good driver full stop
he dont need any computers or trick diffs to controll a car
marco
29-06-2007, 10:42 PM
#9
14000+ post superhero
is it because jap cars are more reliable even when massively tuned?they spend their cash making their cars go faster while we spend most of our cash repairing the broken bits i dont know if its all in the mind but jap cars seem much faster with the same power.a 320bhp evo seemed much faster to me than a similar stage 3 cossie.
i dont know if its all in the mind but jap cars seem much faster with the same power.a 320bhp evo seemed much faster to me than a similar stage 3 cossie.
29-06-2007, 10:48 PM
#10
to be honest the new 6 speed jap 4wd boxes are strong as fook 
they cant take loads of bhp the 5speed subs box is weaker than the normal mt75
with alot of the jap cars they are alot newer so the componets are still fresh metal
lets be honest the cossies are old cars and unless you throw thousands at them and buy the proper stuff then you will have a good cossy
marco
they cant take loads of bhp the 5speed subs box is weaker than the normal mt75
with alot of the jap cars they are alot newer so the componets are still fresh metal
lets be honest the cossies are old cars and unless you throw thousands at them and buy the proper stuff then you will have a good cossy
marco
29-06-2007, 10:59 PM
#11
PassionFord Post Whore!!
theres a lot more to it than gbox's and diffs isnt there? how about correct suspension setups and other chassis parts that play a vital role
i also think wide/big tyres are a big factor too.
I remember that Danny @ Hauser racing who had a very good chassis setup imo, his acceleration times were good for a stg1 RWD cosworth
i also think wide/big tyres are a big factor too.
I remember that Danny @ Hauser racing who had a very good chassis setup imo, his acceleration times were good for a stg1 RWD cosworth
29-06-2007, 11:12 PM
#12
9500RPM torqueless wonder
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Paisley, Scotland
Posts: 1,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quite simply there are more people willing to spend lots of money on making a fully competitive car for these type of events any one spending that type of money on escorts, sierras and saffs are generally in rally
29-06-2007, 11:16 PM
#13
Advanced PassionFord User
I'd say most of the difference is in the chassis/suspension set-up. RS Turbo's and Cosworth's were far from cutting edge when new.
Compare the back axle on Cosworth to something like a 200SX.
My Levin came out in 1992 and the suspension set-up is far more advanced than anything FWD Ford.
Compare the back axle on Cosworth to something like a 200SX.
My Levin came out in 1992 and the suspension set-up is far more advanced than anything FWD Ford.
29-06-2007, 11:19 PM
#15
Advanced PassionFord User
Originally Posted by Homer.
Quite simply there are more people willing to spend lots of money on making a fully competitive car for these type of events any one spending that type of money on escorts, sierras and saffs are generally in rally
30-06-2007, 01:25 AM
#18
PassionFord Post Troll
Re: How comes Fords/Vauxhalls/anything non-Jap are crap @ TO
Originally Posted by marco polo
Originally Posted by monkey nutz
Seriously - why? Scoobys, Skylines et al all start off with similar power to Cossies so how comes the Jap crew fucking white-wash the whole thing every year?
What are they doing that we're not? (apart from buying Jap, obviously)
What are they doing that we're not? (apart from buying Jap, obviously
)and some have sponcers with their own pit crew
the very first one was the best because it was cars like mine that you could use every day but modded
now it's who's got the 10 biggest/richest pockets
if Garreth Lloyd was there he would still win the handling as he is a very good driver full stop
he dont need any computers or trick diffs to controll a car
marco
100% correct though
Also andy (racer) would do awesome in his DJ car in the RWD class.. but I suppose with a car like that you don't want to abuse it too often
30-06-2007, 01:53 AM
#19
DEYTUKURJERBS
bollocks excuses
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
30-06-2007, 02:13 AM
#20
PassionFord Post Troll
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Essex!
Posts: 3,115
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I don't think you can say reliablility.. For a few runs, most cossie's will do it no hassle.
Its the fact that the engines in cosworths were just dropped into a half assed chasis. Whereas the jap owners have a good chasis to start with.
As Stav said, Martins, IMO will wipe the floor, well.. almost.
Its the fact that the engines in cosworths were just dropped into a half assed chasis. Whereas the jap owners have a good chasis to start with.
As Stav said, Martins, IMO will wipe the floor, well.. almost.
30-06-2007, 07:36 AM
#21
Happily retired
It depends on what you have built your car for.
I didnt set out to build a car to compete at events like totb the event is not really an event for 18 year old rwd Fords . If I was 30 years younger I may well be upto competing at events like totb but working at MAD I get to see a bigger picture & it would be a EVO that I would use.
Do you lads think mine would be outclassed at the discipline for which it was built by the Jap cars at totb, even over the mile which is way too short for mine to shine, would be one of very few to run past 200mph.
Martin is one of the few Ford tuners to build is own car to compete head on with these guys, ask Mark to do that & he will say get me a customer to pay for me to build one & I will.
He was asked only last week why he cant build a 900+bhp engine like the Scandys his reply give me the money & I will. Yes a competative Cossie could be built but when other cars have such a better base to start with it is rather pointless. The newest Cossie is now 12 years old & sometimes I think you lads forget that. Have a vetrans totb & me & my Cossie will be a force to be reconed with .
I didnt set out to build a car to compete at events like totb the event is not really an event for 18 year old rwd Fords
. If I was 30 years younger I may well be upto competing at events like totb but working at MAD I get to see a bigger picture & it would be a EVO that I would use.Do you lads think mine would be outclassed at the discipline for which it was built by the Jap cars at totb, even over the mile which is way too short for mine to shine, would be one of very few to run past 200mph.
Martin is one of the few Ford tuners to build is own car to compete head on with these guys, ask Mark to do that & he will say get me a customer to pay for me to build one & I will.
He was asked only last week why he cant build a 900+bhp engine like the Scandys his reply give me the money & I will. Yes a competative Cossie could be built but when other cars have such a better base to start with it is rather pointless. The newest Cossie is now 12 years old & sometimes I think you lads forget that. Have a vetrans totb & me & my Cossie will be a force to be reconed with
.
30-06-2007, 08:36 AM
#22
PassionFord Post Troll
Originally Posted by MadRod
It depends on what you have built your car for.
I didnt set out to build a car to compete at events like totb the event is not really an event for 18 year old rwd Fords . If I was 30 years younger I may well be upto competing at events like totb but working at MAD I get to see a bigger picture & it would be a EVO that I would use.
Do you lads think mine would be outclassed at the discipline for which it was built by the Jap cars at totb, even over the mile which is way too short for mine to shine, would be one of very few to run past 200mph.
Martin is one of the few Ford tuners to build is own car to compete head on with these guys, ask Mark to do that & he will say get me a customer to pay for me to build one & I will.
He was asked only last week why he cant build a 900+bhp engine like the Scandys his reply give me the money & I will. Yes a competative Cossie could be built but when other cars have such a better base to start with it is rather pointless. The newest Cossie is now 12 years old & sometimes I think you lads forget that. Have a vetrans totb & me & my Cossie will be a force to be reconed with .
I didnt set out to build a car to compete at events like totb the event is not really an event for 18 year old rwd Fords
. If I was 30 years younger I may well be upto competing at events like totb but working at MAD I get to see a bigger picture & it would be a EVO that I would use.Do you lads think mine would be outclassed at the discipline for which it was built by the Jap cars at totb, even over the mile which is way too short for mine to shine, would be one of very few to run past 200mph.
Martin is one of the few Ford tuners to build is own car to compete head on with these guys, ask Mark to do that & he will say get me a customer to pay for me to build one & I will.
He was asked only last week why he cant build a 900+bhp engine like the Scandys his reply give me the money & I will. Yes a competative Cossie could be built but when other cars have such a better base to start with it is rather pointless. The newest Cossie is now 12 years old & sometimes I think you lads forget that. Have a vetrans totb & me & my Cossie will be a force to be reconed with
.
30-06-2007, 04:06 PM
#23
Originally Posted by Stavros
bollocks excuses
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
steve
ask martin how much he has spent and you tell me how many people have got that kind of money lying around
you dont half talk bollox some times
the cossie is a tractor in design chassis wise it's just basically a 1983 development/techno (its late 1970's design ) and unless you spent alot of money on the handling the cossie isn't not going to be competative
money is every fooking think in that event so you telling me a standard cos vs a standard sti/evo is going to beat it theres nearly 2oyrs techno differance + these have more bhp as standard
the cossie has had it's time thats why everyone wanted to beat it just look how much Nissan spent tyring to beat it (they went bust because of it)
what car could touch it when it was release in 86 there was fook all to touch it unless you had super car
end of story
30-06-2007, 05:05 PM
#24
Happily retired
Originally Posted by Stavros
bollocks excuses
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
30-06-2007, 05:08 PM
#25
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: fife
Posts: 1,246
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
you can import a big spec car for example a 600bhp skyline from japan for not much more than buying a standard escort cosworth.so the car you are starting with is so much better equiped than a ford before you start spending here
30-06-2007, 05:12 PM
#26
Advanced PassionFord User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: london
Posts: 1,963
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
bit of an obvious question. The jap cars are a better standard pacakge with newer/better technology and get the power down better, although the ones which are entered for this sort of event must have everything changed to after market in the handling department.
jap cars have better chasis to cope with putting the power down i rekon
jap cars have better chasis to cope with putting the power down i rekon
30-06-2007, 05:18 PM
#27
Advanced PassionFord User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Filming Sticky's and Shorty's gay romps!!
Posts: 1,571
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by Stavros
bollocks excuses
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
30-06-2007, 05:39 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Originally Posted by MadRod
Your job with a motoring mag ( Reylandline) gives you a very narrow view of life. I suppose you think all Cossie owners are out there thinking of winning totb & that Martin is the king of all Cossie tuners well 'they aint' & 'he aint' are the answer to that. You more than anyone on this Forum is all talk & no action, you were going to build the fastest rwd Cossie & then the fastest Skiline in this or any other universe , well you did jack shit except talk about it. If you want to have a Ford competative at totb you build it.
Double standards, rules for you and different ones for everyone else.
If you think Steve is blinkered regards any car then you havent read many of his posts on here
30-06-2007, 05:50 PM
#30
Advanced PassionFord User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: london
Posts: 1,963
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by jdee0499
why have this debate cosworths are all legendery motors none off that jap crap will ever compair
now your gonna get ripped apart for saying that by the cosworths are dated brigade but not me though, im on your side
30-06-2007, 05:53 PM
#31
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Worcsetershire
Posts: 1,048
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by jdee0499
why have this debate cosworths are all legendery motors none off that jap crap will ever compair
30-06-2007, 05:57 PM
#32
15000
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by jdee0499
why have this debate cosworths are all legendery motors none off that jap crap will ever compair
spot on, we dont need to take our cossies to totb to prove how good they are.
30-06-2007, 05:58 PM
#33
Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by Stavros
bollocks excuses
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
30-06-2007, 06:00 PM
#34
Advanced PassionFord User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: london
Posts: 1,963
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MadRod
not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
Can i ask if you entered or have done before in TOTB with your car? if not i cant see why you said what you did to STAVROS when he said the reyland cosworth was one of the best cars in the compition
not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
Can i ask if you entered or have done before in TOTB with your car? if not i cant see why you said what you did to STAVROS when he said the reyland cosworth was one of the best cars in the compition
30-06-2007, 06:03 PM
#35
I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Worcsetershire
Posts: 1,048
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
[quote="4x4"]MadRod
not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
You have noticed too
not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
You have noticed too
30-06-2007, 06:10 PM
#36
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 6,613
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by Stavros
bollocks excuses
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
I think its money ! imagine a cash no option wrc escort some where between the reyland beast and the blue wrc escort
with wide track, xtrac box and diffs, reiger or ohlins supsension, running funny fuel and mega horse power, light weight panels would kick fucking complete arse 
30-06-2007, 06:14 PM
#37
20K+ Super Poster.
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Local, when i'm home...
Posts: 22,888
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by *VICKIE*
Originally Posted by jdee0499
why have this debate cosworths are all legendery motors none off that jap crap will ever compair
spot on, we dont need to take our cossies to totb to prove how good they are.
BLINKERED!!
30-06-2007, 06:20 PM
#38
Advanced PassionFord User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: london
Posts: 1,963
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Dan
Originally Posted by *VICKIE*
Originally Posted by jdee0499
why have this debate cosworths are all legendery motors none off that jap crap will ever compair
spot on, we dont need to take our cossies to totb to prove how good they are.
BLINKERED!! jdee0499 See i told ya it would happen
Just wait for the rest of the comments to come flooding in
30-06-2007, 06:22 PM
#39
20K+ Super Poster.
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Local, when i'm home...
Posts: 22,888
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by 4x4
Originally Posted by Dan
Originally Posted by *VICKIE*
Originally Posted by jdee0499
why have this debate cosworths are all legendery motors none off that jap crap will ever compair
spot on, we dont need to take our cossies to totb to prove how good they are.
BLINKERED!! jdee0499 See i told ya it would happen
Just wait for the rest of the comments to come flooding in
