How comes Fords/Vauxhalls/anything non-Jap are crap @ TOTB?
30-06-2007, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4
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not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
Can i ask if you entered or have done before in TOTB with your car? if not i cant see why you said what you did to STAVROS when he said the reyland cosworth was one of the best cars in the compition
not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
Can i ask if you entered or have done before in TOTB with your car? if not i cant see why you said what you did to STAVROS when he said the reyland cosworth was one of the best cars in the compition
30-06-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jdee0499
why have this debate cosworths are all legendery motors none off that jap crap will ever compair
spot on, we dont need to take our cossies to totb to prove how good they are.
30-06-2007, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Originally Posted by Stavros
bollocks excuses 
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
I think its money ! imagine a cash no option wrc escort some where between the reyland beast and the blue wrc escort
with wide track, xtrac box and diffs, reiger or ohlins supsension, running funny fuel and mega horse power, light weight panels would kick fucking complete arse 
thats what i mean lets say if an all singing and dancing wrc escort with all the trimings wins it out right
all they will all say you couldn't buy that car in the show room
seriously look at the cost of a car like that the box alone is 25k then you got the rest of the car a fully built up wrc brand new escort would cost about 250k easy
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30-06-2007, 08:11 PM
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i watched totb on sky the other day the old one
the guy in the evo said ive been on the handling all day and spunk 1000s of pounds on suspension tyres ect what a waste
i belive that totb best is about doing well at all events not just one fucking muppets
imop of course
the guy in the evo said ive been on the handling all day and spunk 1000s of pounds on suspension tyres ect
what a waste i belive that totb best is about doing well at all events not just one fucking muppets
imop of course
30-06-2007, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
seriously look at the cost of a car like that the box alone is 25k then you got the rest of the car a fully built up wrc brand new escort would cost about 250k easy
marco
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Also people like Simon Norris have stunning cars and again, that car cost him 100k
30-06-2007, 08:24 PM
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well dan
it all depends but lets say if ford was to build you a proper works car i dont think you would have seen any change from 250 k
the works wrc focus are about 400k to build the works car will have the best of everything that money can buy and to be honest with the works teams money is no object
marco
it all depends but lets say if ford was to build you a proper works car i dont think you would have seen any change from 250 k
the works wrc focus are about 400k to build the works car will have the best of everything that money can buy and to be honest with the works teams money is no object
marco
30-06-2007, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bigal1978
i watched totb on sky the other day the old one
the guy in the evo said ive been on the handling all day and spunk 1000s of pounds on suspension tyres ect what a waste
i belive that totb best is about doing well at all events not just one fucking muppets
imop of course
the guy in the evo said ive been on the handling all day and spunk 1000s of pounds on suspension tyres ect
what a waste i belive that totb best is about doing well at all events not just one fucking muppets
imop of course
you can make any car fast if you have got plenty of money thats all it boils down to
and then you need the abilty to drive thats another story
30-06-2007, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
well dan
it all depends but lets say if ford was to build you a proper works car i dont think you would have seen any change from 250 k
the works wrc focus are about 400k to build the works car will have the best of everything that money can buy and to be honest with the works teams money is no object
marco
it all depends but lets say if ford was to build you a proper works car i dont think you would have seen any change from 250 k
the works wrc focus are about 400k to build the works car will have the best of everything that money can buy and to be honest with the works teams money is no object
marco
30-06-2007, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
well dan
it all depends but lets say if ford was to build you a proper works car i dont think you would have seen any change from 250 k
the works wrc focus are about 400k to build the works car will have the best of everything that money can buy and to be honest with the works teams money is no object
marco
it all depends but lets say if ford was to build you a proper works car i dont think you would have seen any change from 250 k
the works wrc focus are about 400k to build the works car will have the best of everything that money can buy and to be honest with the works teams money is no object
marco
limited with in the rules
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30-06-2007, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Originally Posted by 4x4
MadRod
not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
Can i ask if you entered or have done before in TOTB with your car? if not i cant see why you said what you did to STAVROS when he said the reyland cosworth was one of the best cars in the compition
not trying to have a go or anything seriously, but it seems when someone says something about the best cosworth and do not mention your car,name or tunning company you dont like it.
Can i ask if you entered or have done before in TOTB with your car? if not i cant see why you said what you did to STAVROS when he said the reyland cosworth was one of the best cars in the compition
01-07-2007, 07:16 AM
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You asked if he'd entered or had done before in TOTB with his car, I can assure you he competed at TOTB 1 and maybe TOTB 2, I'm not sure.
The first TOTB held was more or less for any Joe Bloggs who had a fast road going car to compete in..... there were none of the massive powered cars which have had mega amounts of money spent on them like there are now [probably Andy Lloyd and Rocket Ronnie had the most expensive cars].
There were very few spectators at TOTB 1 in comparison to the 1000s that spectate now. TOTB has spiralled into a massive event where only those who have spent silly amounts on their cars to make them competitive will stand a chance of winning anything.
The first TOTB held was more or less for any Joe Bloggs who had a fast road going car to compete in..... there were none of the massive powered cars which have had mega amounts of money spent on them like there are now [probably Andy Lloyd and Rocket Ronnie had the most expensive cars].
There were very few spectators at TOTB 1 in comparison to the 1000s that spectate now. TOTB has spiralled into a massive event where only those who have spent silly amounts on their cars to make them competitive will stand a chance of winning anything.
01-07-2007, 09:35 AM
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A few pics from TOTB 1....
Note the lack of spectators on the RHS of the start. Nowadays it's about 10 deep of spectators for a long way down the strip.
Derek Burleigh (I think)
AndyRS
Gareth Lloyd
Spectators car park.... LOL
Supra.... look at the lack of people and no trade tents...
Rod's car parked next to Andys
Dannns Monte
Rob Wiles' old RS500
Note the lack of spectators on the RHS of the start. Nowadays it's about 10 deep of spectators for a long way down the strip.
Derek Burleigh (I think)
AndyRS
Gareth Lloyd
Spectators car park.... LOL
Supra.... look at the lack of people and no trade tents...
Rod's car parked next to Andys
Dannns Monte
Rob Wiles' old RS500
01-07-2007, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Andy Lloyd
Rhys, Why the tears welsh boy!?
Sure you've got a 100k and your only a fucking student!
01-07-2007, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
ask martin how much he has spent and you tell me how many people have got that kind of money lying around
roger clark motorsport scooby- 150 THOUSAND POUNDS (if was a customer car) to get it as awesome as it is.
and to all intents and purposes, barring the nitrous on top, its a incredibly incredibly similar all round spec to martins (i mean in all details), and certainly does the job on the strip and on the track (9sec 1/4s, 200mph, and is a full circuit car on road legal tyres)
01-07-2007, 11:23 AM
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just noticed this...
I know your old and all, so maybe senile, but you bullshit comments REALLY boil my piss cometimes with your comments, esp as you a sound bloke apart from when it comes down to this forum.
WHEN have i EVER mentioned I wanted or was gonna build the fastest anything? never as your talking utter bollocks as ever.
I had a pretty ordinary but fun 400bhp sorta spec cossie then sold after 3 years of driving it, and had a GTR which I had a fully built 900bhp engine for which I recently got rid of as ive no interest in it.
Neither cars were ever built or planned to be built as record breakers, christ, I could never afford that if I wanted to, and im glad as that scene seems to turn you into an obsessed and bitter old man...
Fact is, even tho id just got in and was completely cunted when I said that, but its still the truth, Cossies are as useful for setting crazy times as everyone else if you gonna spend the MONEY in the right way.
The top Jap motors are spending 100k+ and spending it well, you might think you know it all as you the 200mph Cossie god, but the fact is Cossies and Jap stuff will cost a similar amount of money to make truly competitive, and thats a LOT.
I cant see how they got it easier in any way barring the fact they focus their attentions and money at the right things.
Id LOVE for you to explain with your allmighty brain why thats incorrect.
Do you know the details etc of all the top cars inc money spent? No, so STFU like what im saying is wrong.
Really dont know why you givie it the Reylandline thing either, grow up for gods sake, its been a cover car, like, erm, hundreds of cars, big deal
Infact I think the company with the most cars ever in the mag is JapImportsUK, so surely its JapImportsUKline? No, surely not for you, as youve never heard of them, as your just spouting the usual forum bitching.
PMSL at saying I got blinkers, im the least blinkered person on this forum , I dont give a toss about cossies or any other car, I just like fast cars, youy really havent got a clue about what goes on past your buttoned down bit of 200mph Cossie life, so I wished youd not comment, esp in such an abraisive way...
Originally Posted by MadRod
you were going to build the fastest rwd Cossie & then the fastest Skiline in this or any other universe , well you did jack shit except talk about it.
WHEN have i EVER mentioned I wanted or was gonna build the fastest anything? never as your talking utter bollocks as ever.
I had a pretty ordinary but fun 400bhp sorta spec cossie then sold after 3 years of driving it, and had a GTR which I had a fully built 900bhp engine for which I recently got rid of as ive no interest in it.
Neither cars were ever built or planned to be built as record breakers, christ, I could never afford that if I wanted to, and im glad as that scene seems to turn you into an obsessed and bitter old man...
Fact is, even tho id just got in and was completely cunted when I said that, but its still the truth, Cossies are as useful for setting crazy times as everyone else if you gonna spend the MONEY in the right way.
The top Jap motors are spending 100k+ and spending it well, you might think you know it all as you the 200mph Cossie god, but the fact is Cossies and Jap stuff will cost a similar amount of money to make truly competitive, and thats a LOT.
I cant see how they got it easier in any way barring the fact they focus their attentions and money at the right things.
Id LOVE for you to explain with your allmighty brain why thats incorrect.
Do you know the details etc of all the top cars inc money spent? No, so STFU like what im saying is wrong.
Really dont know why you givie it the Reylandline thing either, grow up for gods sake, its been a cover car, like, erm, hundreds of cars, big deal
Infact I think the company with the most cars ever in the mag is JapImportsUK, so surely its JapImportsUKline?
No, surely not for you, as youve never heard of them, as your just spouting the usual forum bitching.PMSL at saying I got blinkers, im the least blinkered person on this forum
, I dont give a toss about cossies or any other car, I just like fast cars, youy really havent got a clue about what goes on past your buttoned down bit of 200mph Cossie life, so I wished youd not comment, esp in such an abraisive way...
01-07-2007, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
bollocks excuses
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
esp the money one, people spend insane money on cossies, bigger budgets than so many other cars, buit fuck all to show barring forum hero worship.
i reckon cossies have as much or more potential than most, its about spending money wisely.
martins car once set up and running to its max is potentially better than almost the whole of the TOTB/TimeAttack competitiors in an all round sense, awesome motor.
broms car too in the RWD classes.
renton does well enough in the cossie in time attack with not the most amazing spec on earth, its not that cossies are bad at all, no excuses, the potentially the bollocks.
and there MANY other cars that have had similar amounts of money spent, tho maybe not so wisely.
and this isnt cossie love talking, no blinkers, just saying what i see
money who has the biggest pockets
having race cars and race teams tyre warmers what a waste when ronny turned up won and drove home
total waste time and money
the stress would kill me anyway
quite simply my car is not built for proving i am it its built for track-day use !! its not getting used as it should due to following reasons
i am still very ill recovering from all what happened last yr having 6 blood clots 5 strokes and a very near to death !!!!!!!!
due to being ill and not being able to work i have no income !!!
therefore car is not finished fully not mapped still waiting !
cant afford a Ł300 track day at the min
when i return to work in nov hopfully(not looking good thow may be signed off for life) i will finish the car and time the car to see what it does untill that time i make do with the odd car show and driving around on 24 psi and 8000 revs
01-07-2007, 08:54 PM
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it is about money if you can't build it yourself. i would imagine that brom's car would do very well, particularly at the handling, with the mods that have been done to it
and as they were self made, i shouldn't think the cost to him would run into the hundreds, or even tens of thousands of pounds (for the chassis mods). although they probably would to a customer
and as they were self made, i shouldn't think the cost to him would run into the hundreds, or even tens of thousands of pounds (for the chassis mods). although they probably would to a customer
01-07-2007, 09:03 PM
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Fooking hell!
Why are we going through this again?
If you want an iconic motor that performs well, is reliable, plentiful spare parts, fast as fook, etc, get a scooby/skyline/supra! (and get your sorry arse off of a FORD WEBSITE!!!)
If you want a historic legend that is miles ahead of its time but Ford can't be arsed to keep you in touch, spend your money on a cossie and ignore the tits that try to talk you out of one!
Either way this is called PassionFORD!
Not passionninja!
Why are we going through this again?
If you want an iconic motor that performs well, is reliable, plentiful spare parts, fast as fook, etc, get a scooby/skyline/supra! (and get your sorry arse off of a FORD WEBSITE!!!)
If you want a historic legend that is miles ahead of its time but Ford can't be arsed to keep you in touch, spend your money on a cossie and ignore the tits that try to talk you out of one!
Either way this is called PassionFORD!
Not passionninja!
01-07-2007, 09:19 PM
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I have only entered as a bit of fun as now way on this planet am i going to even get close to ANY of the times these bespoke big Ł cars are going to achieve,
Just hope its stopped raining by then
Just hope its stopped raining by then
01-07-2007, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
it is about money if you can't build it yourself. i would imagine that brom's car would do very well, particularly at the handling, with the mods that have been done to it
and as they were self made, i shouldn't think the cost to him would run into the hundreds, or even tens of thousands of pounds (for the chassis mods). although they probably would to a customer
and as they were self made, i shouldn't think the cost to him would run into the hundreds, or even tens of thousands of pounds (for the chassis mods). although they probably would to a customer
12 rose joints x Ł65
billys new Ł500
shafts Ł660
brakes Ł1000
t6 alloy hubs uprights Ł300
prop Ł300
one off exhaust Ł500
then 200 odd hrs making it modding it till i got it right (angles and pickup points)
01-07-2007, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by c0ss1e9i6
Fooking hell!
Why are we going through this again?
If you want an iconic motor that performs well, is reliable, plentiful spare parts, fast as fook, etc, get a scooby/skyline/supra! (and get your sorry arse off of a FORD WEBSITE!!!)
If you want a historic legend that is miles ahead of its time but Ford can't be arsed to keep you in touch, spend your money on a cossie and ignore the tits that try to talk you out of one!
Either way this is called PassionFORD!
Not passionninja!
Why are we going through this again?
If you want an iconic motor that performs well, is reliable, plentiful spare parts, fast as fook, etc, get a scooby/skyline/supra! (and get your sorry arse off of a FORD WEBSITE!!!)
If you want a historic legend that is miles ahead of its time but Ford can't be arsed to keep you in touch, spend your money on a cossie and ignore the tits that try to talk you out of one!
Either way this is called PassionFORD!
Not passionninja!
just imagine driving around in a chaved up 200sx, civic with a massive hole on the back,,,,, o wiat, thats an exhaust pipe over a 3dr, or escos
02-07-2007, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Eagle
Originally Posted by CozzyBrom
then 200 odd hrs making it modding it till i got it right (angles and pickup points)
02-07-2007, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
TOTB has spiralled into a massive event where only those who have spent silly amounts on their cars to make them competitive will stand a chance of winning anything.
FWD class last year was won by a car built by two blokes with no tuning companies involved, for a budget of about 5K including buying the car and modifying it.
I agree with your post when referring to the 4wd class though, thats gone crazy!
02-07-2007, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Redkop
TOTB has spiralled into a massive event where only those who have spent silly amounts on their cars to make them competitive will stand a chance of winning anything.
FWD class last year was won by a car built by two blokes with no tuning companies involved, for a budget of about 5K including buying the car and modifying it.
I agree with your post when referring to the 4wd class though, thats gone crazy!
This year, hopefully, it will be better organised, according to the TOTB team thread on MLR it will be, especially with regards to queuing for the handling.
02-07-2007, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Eagle
Originally Posted by CozzyBrom
then 200 odd hrs making it modding it till i got it right (angles and pickup points)
02-07-2007, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Redkop
TOTB has spiralled into a massive event where only those who have spent silly amounts on their cars to make them competitive will stand a chance of winning anything.
FWD class last year was won by a car built by two blokes with no tuning companies involved, for a budget of about 5K including buying the car and modifying it.
I agree with your post when referring to the 4wd class though, thats gone crazy!
TBH though last year I went on all the different forums after the event and had a read round, without a doubt the most talked about car was in fact that 5 grand corsa, even on the skyline forum they were chatting about how it got the biggest cheer from the crowd, so I think there are more people interested in the "keeping it real" FWD class than you give them credit for, even if its not as glamourous as the 4wd class, simply cause its something most people can relate to one way or another.
02-07-2007, 09:08 AM
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But thats only one car that was noticed really in RWD.
TOTB has already moved in the direction of being an event for the mega money tuners, it did so a couple of years back, starting with the Skylines and the Scoobs [specifically the Roger Clark one] and Evos following suit.
TOTB has already moved in the direction of being an event for the mega money tuners, it did so a couple of years back, starting with the Skylines and the Scoobs [specifically the Roger Clark one] and Evos following suit.
02-07-2007, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
TOTB has already moved in the direction of being an event for the mega money tuners, it did so a couple of years back, starting with the Skylines and the Scoobs [specifically the Roger Clark one] and Evos following suit.
Its a victim of its own success to a certain extent sadly.
When me and Rob were there a couple of years ago with his astra (before there was even a vauxhall team, just as an invited car) we were laughing our tits off in the pits.
"pop-bang-pop" as a team of mechanics test out the antilag is working on a fully prepared racing car
"Oh look, another road car" we would comment
02-07-2007, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CozzyBrom
i fort andy with the maestro won fwd ????
he works with a company and his car cost alot more than 5 grand or am i confused
he works with a company and his car cost alot more than 5 grand or am i confused
http://www.vauxhall-sport-forum.com/...d&image_id=115
http://www.vauxhall-sport-forum.com/...y&image_id=118
Those are genuine event winning hubcaps baby