come on then, how many are there? that red mk3 fiesta still about? what does that do?

what did chris todd do in his mk1 before he converted it to rwd?

 

I have some hens teeth you can have if you're into collecting rare, possibly fictitious items

 

there must be some....

 

try abroad mate, malta maybe.

 

plenty of vauxhalls mate,think all five totb hopefulls ran in the 12's at pvs.don't know of ant fords though except tims escort

bryan

 

im aiming for 12s with mine, just wondered what other machinary about there is doing those sort of times. we all know the vauxhall and r5ggt boys can do it, dunno why ford owners cant...

 

5GTT boys have been doing it for the last 10years!

 

Wasnt there a bloke in Malta doing low 12's with a diesel fwd fiesta? Was in one of the mags ages ago.

 

Tim got a 12.7@114, grey Series 2 300+hp

 

Chris ran 12.4 in FWD.

 

The R5 boys are nearly all doing their 12s on non road legal tyres which doesnt count as its gayer than sticking your penis in a bloke.


Some of the Vauxhall lads seem to struggle with the 12s.

For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead



WHY ARE FWD FORD OWNERS ALL FULL OF SHIT?

They all give it the big'un like their cars are fast, and they just arent, I dont know of any other marque of car that suffers so much with bullshitting owners.

 

Thats pretty good going, nice to see at least there are some ford lads who CAN build a fairly quick car.

Still nothing dramatic in non ford circles of course, but that is quick for a ford.

 

Try turning the engine around and making them RWD then you will get good times

 

Rubbish, there was GTTs in the 12s in the 90s on road tyres.

Its the 11s they mostly on slicks for, 12s is no problem.

 

Fair enough mate, if you say so, ive never personally seen one well into the 12s on normal tyres, i have seen one or two manage a 12.8 or 12.9 but never the low and mid 12s the VX lads get.

But I know you know more about the renault scene than me, so if you say they are out there then I believe you.

The vauxhall lads are managing 11s on road tyres though of course

 

Your time would get less competitive if you did that though of course for events like TOTB!

 

Paul Ripley ran 12's in his fiesta years ago

 

Ford fwds are just not any good at quarter miles

But dont mean there not quick cars they have been doing 13.5 @ 114 1/4s for years they just have trouble getting off the line

the vauxhall boys are doing the 12s @108 which tell you something

Ive even seen a 16v corsa do 13.7 @98 traction issues must be virtually existent

 

if you look in stats bit at the back of performance ford mag there are loads of fwd rs's doing 12's

 

To 60

 

whats the big deal with 1/4 times any way ???

 

I think its a problem of traction for the ford boys, its well documented on here.

If the cars have the power what else can it be? If you look at peoples terminals then that will tell you they are big power.

Its not a case of bulshitting but a case of the suspension/chassis being overlooked

Anyone can lob a 300bhp engine in a boggo chassis. Its just that perhaps a corsa/nove/astra has better traction in standard/near standard format

 

Its also cause 300bhp ford engines tend to suck donkey cock where as a 300bhp vauxhall engine has wonderful torque delivery through the rev range I think.

The ford boys all seem desperate to build an engine that makes a big BHP figure for down the pub, and retains the standard 8v head to keep the nerds in the RSOC happy, where as the vauxhall lads want to build an engine that actually makes their car fast.

 

Perhaps its cause the vauxhall lads all have 16v ( cosworth influenced )heads to start with so the engines are more suited to big power than the cvhs

I think C&B, Paul Ripley, Tim B, Janno and Ian Howell, Sunny, The other 178mph fiesta who I cant remember the name of lol, have all shown what can be done when money is spent in the right place

I think its just fucking ignorance of what needs doing to get the times IMO

You cant deny its harder to get a s2 turbo to do a 12s quarter than it is to get a nova/corsa to do it, theres more work needed on the scort.

 

Well ford have an engine that cosworth helped with too that people could use, as you seem to be forgetting that cosworth also did the head on, well, the cosworth


Have they?
from what little I know of them, they all seemed to fall into the "nice bhp figure for the pub, but not decent enough torque curves for the quarter" category pretty much????


Definately an element of that.

Well I suppose the nova and corsa are better cars to build from perhaps, they certainly get used more in rallying etc, but I still dont think its the cars thats the problem, its the blinkered owners.

 

1) Novas and R5s have shells that weigh about as much as a fag packet and in acceleration weight is a huge factor. ERST shell must be 100 kg more?

2)Nova boys can start with the XE to begin with, which is an awesome breathing engine out of the box. Ford boys seem to have an un explained love of the wanky 8v cvh??? Even when there are better engines that bolt straight in???

 

I dont beleive for a minute that a nova shell is as much as 100kg heavier than a mk1 fiesta, in fact I dont even believe the shell itself is even 20kg heavier TBH!

I agree on the obession with the wanky engiens though.

 

Nothing to do with the it being 8v cvh engine

They get exactley the same times with full zetec turbo engines

Just look how shonky the r5 engines are 8v 1.4 carb turbo fed there still getting good times

 

I totally agree with the ignorant factor. It seems the RS lot suffer from 'my-cars-making-X-power disorder' e.g. All Escort RS turbos in my area seem to be making 220bhp on standard intercoolers and all cossies in my area make 350bhp on standard T3s

Theres defo a bit more interest in the quarter mile times now.

Tim was on Drag radials the day he ran a 12.4 wasn't he? According to chip thats cheating which is a valid point.

Ill defo 100% get my car in the 12s and I wont be increasing the power to get it (just yet) and spend the money where it should be to see what results I can get on current low boost.

I know of only 3 FWD RS's to hit a 12 i think?

 

 

but whatbhp are the r5 boys needing to do the 12 sec quarters?

 

Nevermind the fooking sprint times getting a rs turbo just to do a 1/4 mile without breaking down is hard enough work LOL


having said that still prefer my car to a fucking Nova


Fords....Gotta love em

 

The CVH is a very good engine for an 8V, the Zetec poor for a 16V. We use the CVH for the simple reason that the car came with it in! The cars a very quick when rolling, i have no interest in racing off the line - neither do many others, so we don't build them for the 1/4.

We have an engine in the car that will do 250hp without coming apart - thats pleny fast enough. Vaux's dont have an OE engine that will do 200hp without coming out/apart. So, if u have a Nova you have no choice to swap the engine. The engine that you swap for drops in really easily and does big power. We have the Zetec, which is a shopping engine, and needs lots of time and money to turbo. With the zetec in, there isn't really that a big a gap in performance between that and the CVH. Not like the huge diff between a Nova Gsi and a LET.

 

i think half of it is knowing how to launch i mean i did a 13.6 in a standard weight half tank of fuel focus rs ith about 280-290bhp on standard engine and turbo etc . Others with 400+ werent even doing that. i reackon with some work and some proper driving a real 250-300bhp escort rst should do a 12 of some description

I mean surely people realise to use this power properly then need to rethink the suspension setup, tyres, diff and box etc? or is this forgot about aslong as they've got 300 bhp or a zt or zvh or whatever????

 

The heritage mentality that appears to come with ownership of an RST is leaving RST's way behind when it comes to the dragstrip IMO.

We tend to view Gas as cheating, where as others accept that if you want to be competitive over the qtr, then gas is a must.

Holiding on to the originality of Ford engineering (CVH) rather than accepting that the Zetec has loads more potential. Taking Fords 16v Engine & then making it work is almost frowned upon in the same way gas is.........STRANGE!!!

 

only thing with gas is can it not give an in accurate reading of a cars performance, because the day you run say an 12.5 with gas at the strip will be totally diff performance to the day you ran out an dhad a race with someone and got cained

 

290 bhp r5 will do 11.9s 1/4 mile

 

Chip - fact of the matter is that you know jack about most of our engines and how much and where the torque / power was produced. I speak for both myself, Ian Howell and Paul J, all of our cars engines were tuned on the dyno and produced both the torque and power exactly where they were designed to and did (proved should I say) exactly what they were supposed to do. The reason why our 1/4 mile times were not cracking the 11's when the r5's were was simply to do with setup and grip. Fact of the matter is that our initial game was top speed hence the lack of setup, gearing etc for 1/4 60 foot sprints and good 1/4 mile times. Infact perhaps you might remember of a certain black zetec powered fiesta cracking into the 11's at TOTB? All he did was use a set of road legal slicks, to prove the potiential of it being properly setup nothing else setup-wise was changed for the 1/4 mile drag. I can assure you that both me and Ian were doing 120mph+ terminals without the use of nos way back in the days way before the Vaux boys got to those kind of terminals with the use of nos or not. How many true road legal (as in regulary used on the road) vauxhall's have been able to crack genuine speeds in excess of 178mph+ since the last nearly 4 years I ask you!?

Watch out for a few surprises soon, as after a few cars have done the top speed thing they will be setup properly for 1/4 drag which will show the true potential of what the engines are capable of and they will open a few eyes in the Vaux camp.

Rick you talk shit about the zetec engine. You know you really shouldnt generalise! It's not all about lots of money, it's all about how you use it and we've proven and will continue to prove that the zetec engine isnt quite as sh!t as you make it out to be. I've found it comical reading all this rubbish over the years on here about how sh!t zetec's and zvh's are and how they don't rev etc....there must be a community of people like us that do vodoo on our cars resulting in transforming them into cvh engines under the bonnet on the day of events resulting them to perform and win races.

Better get the hell outta here before the flame grilled replies commence.

Sunny.

 

ahmen to that

 

Sunny - it's not shit at all.

Fact is, Zetec is a shopping engine. It is no LET or XE or YB or VTEC out of the box is it? Of course it can be made to work, but this costs money -you need headwork custom inlets etc. Nova boys can just drop in a £350 s/h LET and have nigh on 300hp instanly. A big jump from the 100hp they had before. A zetec turbo costs a lot more than £350 quid, and the jump from CVH turbo power is much less significant.

So, the point is that it's cheaper and easier to make a nova do 12's than an RST.