show us yer FWD fords in the 12s
#81
Originally Posted by inductionconcepts
Thanks mate - planed to hit between 365 to 380 at the wheels + 75 bhp shot of gas (just taking so long due to no spare time).
I hit high 12s with 289 at the wheels so 11s won't be a problem (regardless of what people on the CTR forum may think!)
Charlie
I hit high 12s with 289 at the wheels so 11s won't be a problem (regardless of what people on the CTR forum may think!)
Charlie
#83
Originally Posted by Rick
Sunny - it's not shit at all.
Fact is, Zetec is a shopping engine. It is no LET or XE or YB or VTEC out of the box is it? Of course it can be made to work, but this costs money -you need headwork custom inlets etc. Nova boys can just drop in a Ł350 s/h LET and have nigh on 300hp instanly. A big jump from the 100hp they had before. A zetec turbo costs a lot more than Ł350 quid, and the jump from CVH turbo power is much less significant.
So, the point is that it's cheaper and easier to make a nova do 12's than an RST.
Fact is, Zetec is a shopping engine. It is no LET or XE or YB or VTEC out of the box is it? Of course it can be made to work, but this costs money -you need headwork custom inlets etc. Nova boys can just drop in a Ł350 s/h LET and have nigh on 300hp instanly. A big jump from the 100hp they had before. A zetec turbo costs a lot more than Ł350 quid, and the jump from CVH turbo power is much less significant.
So, the point is that it's cheaper and easier to make a nova do 12's than an RST.
Try getting that out of a CVH for a grand!! How can you say the performance gap isn't that big???
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
PS
No nitrous for drag racing is a bit of a schoolboy error though, thats like going to play golf and forgetting to take your putter with you, sure you can manage without it, but its a bit pointless
No nitrous for drag racing is a bit of a schoolboy error though, thats like going to play golf and forgetting to take your putter with you, sure you can manage without it, but its a bit pointless
What was the football one i read the other day???
#85
Originally Posted by S2martin
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
PS
No nitrous for drag racing is a bit of a schoolboy error though, thats like going to play golf and forgetting to take your putter with you, sure you can manage without it, but its a bit pointless
No nitrous for drag racing is a bit of a schoolboy error though, thats like going to play golf and forgetting to take your putter with you, sure you can manage without it, but its a bit pointless
What was the football one i read the other day???
Like playing without boots mate.
Although the full one I posted ages ago was:
Going drag racing without nitrous is like playing football without boots, and if you have no turbo either, its like playing with your pants pulled down round your ankles as well
#86
Originally Posted by S2martin
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
PS
No nitrous for drag racing is a bit of a schoolboy error though, thats like going to play golf and forgetting to take your putter with you, sure you can manage without it, but its a bit pointless
No nitrous for drag racing is a bit of a schoolboy error though, thats like going to play golf and forgetting to take your putter with you, sure you can manage without it, but its a bit pointless
What was the football one i read the other day???
it was this gem from my post on VS martin
Originally Posted by Chip
Doing quarters without nitrous is like trying to play football with no boots, sure you can do it, but you wont ever do it as well as if you had the boots!
#87
Originally Posted by Garage19
Originally Posted by Rick
Sunny - it's not shit at all.
Fact is, Zetec is a shopping engine. It is no LET or XE or YB or VTEC out of the box is it? Of course it can be made to work, but this costs money -you need headwork custom inlets etc. Nova boys can just drop in a Ł350 s/h LET and have nigh on 300hp instanly. A big jump from the 100hp they had before. A zetec turbo costs a lot more than Ł350 quid, and the jump from CVH turbo power is much less significant.
So, the point is that it's cheaper and easier to make a nova do 12's than an RST.
Fact is, Zetec is a shopping engine. It is no LET or XE or YB or VTEC out of the box is it? Of course it can be made to work, but this costs money -you need headwork custom inlets etc. Nova boys can just drop in a Ł350 s/h LET and have nigh on 300hp instanly. A big jump from the 100hp they had before. A zetec turbo costs a lot more than Ł350 quid, and the jump from CVH turbo power is much less significant.
So, the point is that it's cheaper and easier to make a nova do 12's than an RST.
Try getting that out of a CVH for a grand!! How can you say the performance gap isn't that big???
CVH blinkers mate, available through the RSOC in a variety of colours and styles.
#89
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
CVH blinkers mate, available through the RSOC in a variety of colours and styles.
I once had an argument with someone on here, and they claimed their 300 bhp CVH would be faster than a 300 bhp zetec??
He couldn't tell me why... it just would be!
Apart from the fact 300 bhp is 300 bhp, i also mentioned the zetec having 400cc more capacity and that i expected it would have more torque and a better spread of it.
This chap worked for a well known tuners so it shows how CVH blinkered ford people really are.
#90
I think they assume the world is fair, and that cause its fucking hardwork to get a piece of crap old CVH engine upto 300bhp that the rules of a fair world dictate it will be better than a Zetec 300bhp engine that is easier to make.
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
#91
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Some of the Vauxhall lads seem to struggle with the 12s.
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
What engines are they using in the corsa's, nova's?? can I safely assume its the 2.0 GTE 16v and not the 1.0 eco tech that comes in corsa's
#92
Originally Posted by 4x4
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Some of the Vauxhall lads seem to struggle with the 12s.
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
What engines are they using in the corsa's, nova's?? can I safely assume its the 2.0 GTE 16v and not the 1.0 eco tech that comes in corsa's
#93
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by 4x4
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Some of the Vauxhall lads seem to struggle with the 12s.
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
What engines are they using in the corsa's, nova's?? can I safely assume its the 2.0 GTE 16v and not the 1.0 eco tech that comes in corsa's
#94
Just thinking outside the box here (or rather inside it lol), is it anything to do with gearboxes. 1st gear in my S1 was farkin useless. Now we are all running pretty much the same boxes. What are 1st, 2nd like in a Vaux or Renault? Would changing 1st or 2nd ratios work better?
#95
Originally Posted by 4x4
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by 4x4
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Some of the Vauxhall lads seem to struggle with the 12s.
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
What engines are they using in the corsa's, nova's?? can I safely assume its the 2.0 GTE 16v and not the 1.0 eco tech that comes in corsa's
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some people say its all about power and how its delivered, some people say its all about the magic of r5/nova/corsa suspension setups.......there is no mystery at all lads
in 2005 i went to santa pod to have my first go ever, built the engine myself, ill give u the specs now to judge for yourself
slightly ported head
standard crank
standard rods
standard pistons
standard valves
very mild cam(only 270c)
standard carb with bigger jet
standard inlet and outlet manifolds
gt28rs turbo with 0.63 turbine side
2.5inch downpipe and side exit
rs500 sized intercooler
thats it
the car was not stripped out, had a rollcage and weighed 850kg plus 100kg for driver
the car was roughly 240bhp but as we were trying the gt28rs as an experiement it did not hit full boost(28psi) till 5200rpm and ran out of power at 6500rpm......so no big spread of torque, just a laggy peaky machine.
the car had an open diff, standard gearbox and just a set of konis with 35mm drop.
on my first ever run ever i ran a 12.9 at 106 at 20psi of boost
i then had a few problems but upped the boost(very hot day) to 28psi and ran 12.6 at 111mph.......the car was not setup for drag at all, im sure with the things i want to do it would have run low 12s high 11s with no power increases
if u want to see how to properly run qtr times i suggest u log into honda-tech.com and have a good read at them guys.....eg honda civic...1100kg with 320bhp running 11s all the time, just shows wot can be done.
im my opinion a mk2 fiesta weighing about 800kg with zetec turbo with about 260bhp should piss mid 12s all day long, if u cant manage that then theres something wrong with u guys
flame suited engaged
in 2005 i went to santa pod to have my first go ever, built the engine myself, ill give u the specs now to judge for yourself
slightly ported head
standard crank
standard rods
standard pistons
standard valves
very mild cam(only 270c)
standard carb with bigger jet
standard inlet and outlet manifolds
gt28rs turbo with 0.63 turbine side
2.5inch downpipe and side exit
rs500 sized intercooler
thats it
the car was not stripped out, had a rollcage and weighed 850kg plus 100kg for driver
the car was roughly 240bhp but as we were trying the gt28rs as an experiement it did not hit full boost(28psi) till 5200rpm and ran out of power at 6500rpm......so no big spread of torque, just a laggy peaky machine.
the car had an open diff, standard gearbox and just a set of konis with 35mm drop.
on my first ever run ever i ran a 12.9 at 106 at 20psi of boost
i then had a few problems but upped the boost(very hot day) to 28psi and ran 12.6 at 111mph.......the car was not setup for drag at all, im sure with the things i want to do it would have run low 12s high 11s with no power increases
if u want to see how to properly run qtr times i suggest u log into honda-tech.com and have a good read at them guys.....eg honda civic...1100kg with 320bhp running 11s all the time, just shows wot can be done.
im my opinion a mk2 fiesta weighing about 800kg with zetec turbo with about 260bhp should piss mid 12s all day long, if u cant manage that then theres something wrong with u guys
flame suited engaged
#98
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
I think they assume the world is fair, and that cause its fucking hardwork to get a piece of crap old CVH engine upto 300bhp that the rules of a fair world dictate it will be better than a Zetec 300bhp engine that is easier to make.
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
fuck all to do with the engine
#99
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
I think they assume the world is fair, and that cause its fucking hardwork to get a piece of crap old CVH engine upto 300bhp that the rules of a fair world dictate it will be better than a Zetec 300bhp engine that is easier to make.
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
fuck all to do with the engine
PMSL
So the power delivery of the engine has "fuck all" to do with your ability to lay down power off the line?
Righty oh then, thanks for the "RSOC own brand physics" lesson
you really havent got a CLUE about "hooking up" off the line have you mate?
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So on the nova/corsa route apart from the engine/box what suspension mods etc are used Chip for the great traction/60ft times?
Silly question i guess but do they suffer the seriously shitty torque steer that most erst suffer?
Silly question i guess but do they suffer the seriously shitty torque steer that most erst suffer?
#101
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
I think they assume the world is fair, and that cause its fucking hardwork to get a piece of crap old CVH engine upto 300bhp that the rules of a fair world dictate it will be better than a Zetec 300bhp engine that is easier to make.
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
fuck all to do with the engine
PMSL
So the power delivery of the engine has "fuck all" to do with your ability to lay down power off the line?
Righty oh then, thanks for the "RSOC own brand physics" lesson
you really havent got a CLUE about "hooking up" off the line have you mate?
Riiiiiight
Its the shit erst chassis and box , fuck all to do with the engines, torque curves etc. A cvh/zetec etc can and have been tuned and mapped with nice progressive power delivery, its hardly fucking genius to spec that
#103
Most of the novas you see in the 12s are on standard suspension other than just a cheap set of aftermarket shocks and springs S2Martin, ive not seen ANY yet with anything that I would call drag specific setups, other than maybe a couple of bits of wood hammered into the rear springs to stop weight transfer.
#104
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
I think they assume the world is fair, and that cause its fucking hardwork to get a piece of crap old CVH engine upto 300bhp that the rules of a fair world dictate it will be better than a Zetec 300bhp engine that is easier to make.
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
fuck all to do with the engine
PMSL
So the power delivery of the engine has "fuck all" to do with your ability to lay down power off the line?
Righty oh then, thanks for the "RSOC own brand physics" lesson
you really havent got a CLUE about "hooking up" off the line have you mate?
Riiiiiight
Its the shit erst chassis and box , fuck all to do with the engines, torque curves etc. A cvh/zetec etc can and have been tuned and mapped with nice progressive power delivery, its hardly fucking genius to spec that
surely the rs1600i / rs turbo / mk3 escort bits available readily cant be THAT much shitter than a vuaxhall nova from a chassis/suspension point of view?
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
I think they assume the world is fair, and that cause its fucking hardwork to get a piece of crap old CVH engine upto 300bhp that the rules of a fair world dictate it will be better than a Zetec 300bhp engine that is easier to make.
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
fuck all to do with the engine
PMSL
So the power delivery of the engine has "fuck all" to do with your ability to lay down power off the line?
Righty oh then, thanks for the "RSOC own brand physics" lesson
you really havent got a CLUE about "hooking up" off the line have you mate?
Riiiiiight
Its the shit erst chassis and box , fuck all to do with the engines, torque curves etc. A cvh/zetec etc can and have been tuned and mapped with nice progressive power delivery, its hardly fucking genius to spec that
surely the rs1600i / rs turbo / mk3 escort bits available readily cant be THAT much shitter than a vauxhall nova from a chassis/suspension point of view?
if including driver its nearly 1000kg with 240bhp i can do it on my first ever go why cant ford boys, im sure there are some decent enough drivers between u
#106
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
I think they assume the world is fair, and that cause its fucking hardwork to get a piece of crap old CVH engine upto 300bhp that the rules of a fair world dictate it will be better than a Zetec 300bhp engine that is easier to make.
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
The reality (as proved by mid 12 sub 300bhp novas and corsas frequently) is of course EXACTLY the opposite and a 300bhp zetec would wipe the floor with a 300bhp CVH!
fuck all to do with the engine
PMSL
So the power delivery of the engine has "fuck all" to do with your ability to lay down power off the line?
Righty oh then, thanks for the "RSOC own brand physics" lesson
you really havent got a CLUE about "hooking up" off the line have you mate?
Riiiiiight
Its the shit erst chassis and box , fuck all to do with the engines, torque curves etc. A cvh/zetec etc can and have been tuned and mapped with nice progressive power delivery, its hardly fucking genius to spec that
surely the rs1600i / rs turbo / mk3 escort bits available readily cant be THAT much shitter than a vuaxhall nova from a chassis/suspension point of view?
#108
The gearing isnt significantly different between the LET and the RST box.
You keep banging on about chassis setups on the 60ft as if you think that the 60ft isnt effected by the engine!
You really are TOTALLY missing the point.
Its the horrible power delivery thats the problem on a 300bhp CVH!
You keep banging on about chassis setups on the 60ft as if you think that the 60ft isnt effected by the engine!
You really are TOTALLY missing the point.
Its the horrible power delivery thats the problem on a 300bhp CVH!
#109
MINE SEEMS OK ON POWER DELIVERY ups caps lock i carnt complain my torque curve is very flat 2 holds on to it well dunno i ran a 13.7 on my first ever go with 250 hp i think it was on mfi best was 13.5 on mfi so they arnt that bad a set up it was on konis thats all ????????? my car is more a track car than anythin elso not set up for drag at all might be nice to c if it was just set up for that what it may do dunno ? wheres the wooden blocks etc lol
p.s i recon its the 60 ft where its won or lost IMO
p.s i recon its the 60 ft where its won or lost IMO
#110
PMSL @ "I reckon the 60ft is where its won or lost"
No shit sherlock
The problem that most of the RST lads ive seen running up the qaurter have is the "on/off" delivery, they try and pull away without much throttle and the things bogs down, but the moment it comes on boost it lights up the tyres instead, and its impossible to balance it on the very narrow point of the curve in between.
Im sure a decent zetec build could get round this.
No shit sherlock
The problem that most of the RST lads ive seen running up the qaurter have is the "on/off" delivery, they try and pull away without much throttle and the things bogs down, but the moment it comes on boost it lights up the tyres instead, and its impossible to balance it on the very narrow point of the curve in between.
Im sure a decent zetec build could get round this.
#111
PMSL @ "I reckon the 60ft is where its won or lost"
No shit sherlock
No shit sherlock
Theres no need to talk down to me with that attitude ,it seems to me (maybe im the only 1) that you seem to think not everyone is as smart as you think you are ,most are looking for information and maybe stating the obvious is sometime new news.
#112
Tim, no offence intended, it was purely humour, and I can only apologise if that didnt come across well when you read it.
You are of course totally correct that the first 60ft most certainly IS the most important bit of the track.
You are of course totally correct that the first 60ft most certainly IS the most important bit of the track.
#114
Originally Posted by smitsturbo
Originally Posted by 4x4
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by 4x4
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Some of the Vauxhall lads seem to struggle with the 12s.
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
For example Andy did manage a 12.0 this weekend in his corsa, but thats unusual, normally he misses he 12s completely and gets an 11 instead
What engines are they using in the corsa's, nova's?? can I safely assume its the 2.0 GTE 16v and not the 1.0 eco tech that comes in corsa's
#115
Rob's car (the red nova on the left in my sig, lol) manages to get well into the 12s with only a 115mph terminal because of the sheer level of control he has over exactly how much power is delivered as he pulls away.
He got a 2.0 60ft on that run, which is actually very good for what is NOT a drag car, he has made NO mods from his entirely trackday orientated car other than fit a nitrous kit.
No special chassis mods. FAR too much weight from the heavy cage, no changes to antirollbar setup or anything.
But he has 194bhp N/A which means he can use the throttle to determine the EXACT amount of power he has instantly at any given point during the launch, on a turbo car, and particuarly a 1600cc 8v turbo one with 300bhp, you dont get the chance to do that unless you are into the world of ALS and LC
Then when its hooked up off gas, we feed the gas in slowly so as not to brake traction again, and then once its moving along, it just gets hit with everything we have to through at it (300bhp+)
He got a 2.0 60ft on that run, which is actually very good for what is NOT a drag car, he has made NO mods from his entirely trackday orientated car other than fit a nitrous kit.
No special chassis mods. FAR too much weight from the heavy cage, no changes to antirollbar setup or anything.
But he has 194bhp N/A which means he can use the throttle to determine the EXACT amount of power he has instantly at any given point during the launch, on a turbo car, and particuarly a 1600cc 8v turbo one with 300bhp, you dont get the chance to do that unless you are into the world of ALS and LC
Then when its hooked up off gas, we feed the gas in slowly so as not to brake traction again, and then once its moving along, it just gets hit with everything we have to through at it (300bhp+)
#116
Originally Posted by 4x4
right. so the astra gte 16v i had is a LET??? and i take it these are very good engines
The engine codes are as follows:
C - catalyst
20 - 2.0 litres
L - low compression
E - fuel injection
T - turbo
C - catalyst
20 - 2.0 litres
X - high compression
E - fuel injection
Hope that makes sense!
Basically the LET is an XE with a turbo bolted onto it and some lower CR pistons, its otherwise largely the same engine, the block/crank/rods/head are all interchangeable
#117
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by 4x4
right. so the astra gte 16v i had is a LET??? and i take it these are very good engines
The engine codes are as follows:
C - catalyst
20 - 2.0 litres
L - low compression
E - fuel injection
T - turbo
C - catalyst
20 - 2.0 litres
X - high compression
E - fuel injection
Hope that makes sense!
Basically the LET is an XE with a turbo bolted onto it and some lower CR pistons, its otherwise largely the same engine, the block/crank/rods/head are all interchangeable
what would be the preferable engine? or would it depend on wha you want from the car?
#118
No CVH blinkers here at all. I have no doubt u can get more from a Zetec. The power delivery is not as horrendous on big power cvh as some people make out.
As far as i know - and Tim can correct me - he did 295hp on a semi finished map the day before he did a 12.7 - at 114mph. That is fast. Like the majority of RST owners, the quater isn't taken that seriously - its more about fun on the road, and track. The 1/4 is a good laugh, i enjoy it - but im not really fussed if the car doesn't launch that hard. It puts so much strain on the drive train, and in everyday driving it never happens. For me i'd rather be able to accelerate hard at dual carriage way speeds than from the lights.
My point is this: You have to change the engine in the Nova to go fast - u dont in the RST. Plus - there is an engine to swap to readily avialable for the Nova - there isn't for the RS. We have the Zetec, which you need to build yourself (or pay somone to do it) - u cannot just drop it in. You need custom management, modded manifolds, modded pistons etc. You dont need any of that for a vaux. So for the RS, u are spending more time and effort for less gain. Therefore, people are more reluctant to goto the trouble of doing it IMO.
If you are comparing Escorts to Novas - the Escort is carrying a significant weight penalty. What might be interesting is to compare the speed over the last 1/8th mile.
If i were to drag a fwd ford (totally no interest in doing so at the moment) - i would use a mk1/mk2 Fiesta with a zetec - just like Stu is doing - so good luck mate And Chip - it's cool ur helping him out to do it Roll on the 11's
As far as i know - and Tim can correct me - he did 295hp on a semi finished map the day before he did a 12.7 - at 114mph. That is fast. Like the majority of RST owners, the quater isn't taken that seriously - its more about fun on the road, and track. The 1/4 is a good laugh, i enjoy it - but im not really fussed if the car doesn't launch that hard. It puts so much strain on the drive train, and in everyday driving it never happens. For me i'd rather be able to accelerate hard at dual carriage way speeds than from the lights.
My point is this: You have to change the engine in the Nova to go fast - u dont in the RST. Plus - there is an engine to swap to readily avialable for the Nova - there isn't for the RS. We have the Zetec, which you need to build yourself (or pay somone to do it) - u cannot just drop it in. You need custom management, modded manifolds, modded pistons etc. You dont need any of that for a vaux. So for the RS, u are spending more time and effort for less gain. Therefore, people are more reluctant to goto the trouble of doing it IMO.
If you are comparing Escorts to Novas - the Escort is carrying a significant weight penalty. What might be interesting is to compare the speed over the last 1/8th mile.
If i were to drag a fwd ford (totally no interest in doing so at the moment) - i would use a mk1/mk2 Fiesta with a zetec - just like Stu is doing - so good luck mate And Chip - it's cool ur helping him out to do it Roll on the 11's
#119
I dont know if we will see 11s on Stu's fiesta, I suspect not, but I am as confident we will see 12s from it as I was when I told Rob on saturday that he WOULD run a 12 the day before he did so.
Thats assuming that Stu ever finishes it though of course, I cant nitrous a half finished car lmao
Thats assuming that Stu ever finishes it though of course, I cant nitrous a half finished car lmao
#120
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I think this situation will be rectified by a few people this year rs drivers are only just understanding about drag racing in general.
How many fwd fords use nitrous not many this may not be so much of an issue with the zetecs but the big power cvh with there big laggy turbos it’s a must..
I always thought having sticky tires was the key but wheel size is a large part of it.
And defiantly our power delivery doesn’t help much I remember a mkll golf 1.8 20v turbo with nitrous running 11s he was running toyo r888 15” tires but this 1.8 20v have a very smooth power delivery.
Tim rs turbo one of the latest to do 12s quarters with the help of nitrous he does hook up well with minimal wheel spin.
I hope to be doing constantly low 12s once I acquirer some more bits to help me launch plus when my mapping is completed.
How many fwd fords use nitrous not many this may not be so much of an issue with the zetecs but the big power cvh with there big laggy turbos it’s a must..
I always thought having sticky tires was the key but wheel size is a large part of it.
And defiantly our power delivery doesn’t help much I remember a mkll golf 1.8 20v turbo with nitrous running 11s he was running toyo r888 15” tires but this 1.8 20v have a very smooth power delivery.
Tim rs turbo one of the latest to do 12s quarters with the help of nitrous he does hook up well with minimal wheel spin.
I hope to be doing constantly low 12s once I acquirer some more bits to help me launch plus when my mapping is completed.