G2RSR

my mates been told by street racers in leicester that his zvh converted bottom end with steel rods etc is not strong enough for 300 bhp

and he as to buy a black top zetec bottom end off them for £700 they supplied the steel rods also which are Eagle rods and they charged him £1000 for them

so his he being ripped off ?

Alps Pacino

depends on the spec of the bottom end imo, if its standard with skimmed pistons then i would say no

XRT_si

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£1000 for Eagle rods is a touch expensive to say the least.

Standard Zetec rods go past 300bhp so dont know he would have been told steel ones wouldn't? You need some more detailed ifo to be sure to be fair.

G2RSR

no its got forged je pistons they saying the silver top block cant take 300 bhp the blocks not strong enough and it needs a black top block

there going to use everything out of the silver top and put it in the black top

GTechR

eh? I smell something...

G2RSR

They also told him the max bhp you can get out of a 1.6 cvh turbo is 190 bhp and all the mags just up the figures lol

Alps Pacino

I think there talking utter wank, however if they mean a completely standard rst with just chip, filter and exhaust i would agree 190bhp would be about the top of the spectrum

RANJ

is it owned guy called lee, if so stay away

G2RSR

no he was on about christians car he said it would never be more than 200 bhp

the thing is my mate believes everything he says and as spent nearly 6k with him already

RANJ

is street racers owned buy a black guy called lee?

TrevCannon

Sounds like a bunch of clueless fucks!

G2RSR

no some guy called gordon

ive never been down there as im in coventry only come down tonight to see my mate and he tells me all this that is spent arround 6 k with him and the guys telling him he needs another block now

M.A.D.RST

Get him to come on here, there are loads of decent people who will help him out and tell him what he needs to know

Shings

This is enough to make anyone walk away.

Tim and C+B both over 300 horse 1.6 cvh.

Incidently 240 is max on standard 1.6cvh bottom end... but its a time bomb waiting to happen- rods dont like more than that and they need to rev to do it... which is when they exit the block without the piston.

220 is safer. All flywheel.

When STU H see's this he might be able to comment as he's just spent 10k with Karl on his car- 2.1 ZVH about 300 horses in real terms... I think it did 270ish recently on the rollers having only just been run in.

With ZVH's I think the Head gasket is the weak point once you've sorted the rods and pistons out.

Jake

G2RSR

they was in performance ford a few month ago i think "street racers"

if anyone can have a look

smitsturbo

i know of the company your on about as i seen them in performance ford, but even with a company name like 'street racers' you just know there shite

aduz

i hope christian sees this thread

4x4

the name streetracers rings a bell and have to agree with first thoughts when you think of the name streetracers

tabetha

They are talking complete bollocks of the highest order.
Christian at APT's car is what is says power wise, I can 100% personally guarantee that, don't like it myself but that is just a personal thing, each to their own and all that.
tabetha

Bullett

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lol about the cvh,bet christian will be well happy,and isnt tony turbos also over that?
jesus even mine 7 odd years ago was pushing 250 on a 1.6 and then it was considered one of the fastest in the country

Eagle

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i had 22 psi 4 years ago on skimmed pistons, shot peened rods and mfi managment totally undriveable but good fun

Garage19

10k fuckin hell!

On a wanky 8 valve motor that will make 300 bhp!!!

What the hell do they do.... gold plate the block?

Jim Green

That's really way too much to spend on a Zetec.........That's Big Output (400bhp + ) Cossie Money, with all the right bits.

Badman38

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What a load of bollocks the block can handle 500bhp with ease eagle steel rods can do 450whp been done plenty of times in the states, I also run eagle rods and which cost $330 or £183 but £1000 he is taking the right piss .
Get your mate on here quick before he spends another penny.. What has he bought for 6k?
Your mate doesn’t know any better and Gordon knows it so is taking advantage but if I went to a tuning company and he told me shite like that I would walk.
And why the hell call himself street racers .

Badman38

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stu h spent 10k are you sure i thought most of the work was done by the Previous owner, and karl sorted out a few problems and mapped but i could be wrong.

AndyBrew

I have used Streetracers recently as they are very close to myself and I haven't got a bad word to say about them, and I know a few of the "grown ups" that take their cars there and they all seem more than happy with them also Gordon has always taken the time to explain everything to me (not that I understand!!) and always has the time to have a coffee and a chat about cars during his busy days.

Having got to know Gordon and Emma a bit they are true enthusiasts of the performance car scene in general, and have even invited me on a couple of trips out and seem to be top peeps

With regards what can do what and how and why etc. I'm fucked because I know nothing about engines, but in my experience I would say everyone has an opinion and they usually have their reasons for example Graham Goode's won't touch a small turbo escos with an ANTE ecu and I doubt they would have much to say about getting 300hp out of 1.6 CVH either each to their own and their reasoning its the same in any field I would guess.

With regards costs at the end of the day the guys running a business and is not just there to make your car go faster out of his unconditional love for you for all the jobs Gordon has done for me he has quoted a figure which includes the VAT, and when I have come to pay that has been the amount he has asked for without exception.

Obviously this has been my experience but just thought I would make my point as this particular bandwagon seemed to be gathering pace

Anyhow I can't see the problem there seems to be plenty of people on here who could do the work and supply the bits much cheaper I'm sure they wouldn't mind popping around and sorting it out, provide the warranty, the insurance etc. then everyones a winner

Gordon1

right then i think you will find that he was asking about a CGI block and that he wants a strong 300 bhp to use evary day and as we are doing a zetec turbo at the min using a CGI block he asked about it and the decided to go for this

so think you need to get facts right first

thank you

Fudgey

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standard zetecs are good for over 500bhp, sunny was running in excess of 550 on his, and a standard crank.

im going for about 450 on mine and it will cope with that very nicely

CGI blocks i beleive are a bit stronger and should take over 700bhp

but you will need a farndon crank for that

JMC

Ranj,

That brings back memorys Lee and Ash at PES I think it was called Would never of taken my car down there but a friend did went like a rocket for 2 weeks then died. Turbo diesel turbo anyone PMSL

Heard a few things about Streetracers from numerous people with different cars who have been down there, personally would not let them near my car but I am just fussy.

Andy, GGR are like that because its not worth for the hassle for the money they would make. Certain mechanics down there on the other hand..

Oranoco

I should pop mine over there then

Mate's Zetec turbo Fiesta was making 316bhp for a few years on it's silver top bottom end and I beleive it still has the same bottom end in there now and about 400bhp

Badman38

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What’s wrong with the standard zetec block? For a reliable 300bhp a cgi block not needed your just wasting his money and you’re having a laugh selling him eagle rods for £1000

Shings

I have exagerated the amount a bit.... as I wasn't sure how close it was.

BUT

Karl did not sort " a few " problems and map it... there was significantly more involved- I dont know exactly what but I think off the top of my head bar the rods its all new.

Cossie management and a clutch for a start...

Gordon1

that will be a BIG NO

xr2i-carl

what BS

Mike Rainbird

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Agreed, the only think I know with 190bhp that can do 170mph at Brunters has two wheels .

Mr Sam

no its Gordon, allways been very helpfull if ive ever asked about anything but prices for what ive wanted doing have been way out my budget

4x4

so GORDON whats the explaination on that??

Carlsworth

think things have been exaggerated a little bit myself

"maybe" someone didnt quite hear someone else rightly, then blown out of all proportions

Gordon1

i have said that 200 is as much as i would push a std one with out knowing the engine

so dont know were all this has come from

Oranoco

This is starting to look like a mixed bag of half information causing problems