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plug your stereo into it for the REAL full effect
now i hope you got a real les paul to play though that and not some eppiphone or other bolt on neck shite guitar
now i hope you got a real les paul to play though that and not some eppiphone or other bolt on neck shite guitar
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not much difference in sound then..
It should've been set to MIN
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plug your stereo into it for the REAL full effect
now i hope you got a real les Paul to play though that and not some eppiphone or other bolt on neck shite guitar
now i hope you got a real les Paul to play though that and not some eppiphone or other bolt on neck shite guitar
I wish I could afford a genuine LP, the modern Gibsons are shit, and the classics fetch silly money so it will have to be a epi.
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buy a real les paul as you NEVER loose value on them
ive got a les paul that i bought in 93 for school guitar lessons
cost my old man a grand cause its a orange sunburst and had gold hardware then i used my pocket money to buy new pickups and silver hard wear so it looked like slashes of guns and roses
still cant play it for shite though
looks the bollox in my mums bedroom in the hard case where its been since 97 and ive NEVER touched it
wont take it to my flat as ill kill it though i have considered mounting it on the wall but worried about bending the neck or dropping it and breaking it
its prob the only thing ive got left worth value in my life
buy a real les paul as you NEVER loose value on them
ive got a les paul that i bought in 93 for school guitar lessons
cost my old man a grand cause its a orange sunburst and had gold hardware then i used my pocket money to buy new pickups and silver hard wear so it looked like slashes of guns and roses
still cant play it for shite though
looks the bollox in my mums bedroom in the hard case where its been since 97 and ive NEVER touched it
wont take it to my flat as ill kill it though i have considered mounting it on the wall but worried about bending the neck or dropping it and breaking it
its prob the only thing ive got left worth value in my life
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sorry, i havn't got a real one either.................epi's have set necks by the way and if u go on guitar web sites epi's are praised highley and sometimes favoured............... ........but why is a man that cant play telling people what to buy......................
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sorry, i havn't got a real one either.................epi's have set necks by the way and if u go on guitar web sites epi's are praised highley and sometimes favoured............... ........but why is a man that cant play telling people what to buy......................
the epi's are as you say prefered to a modern Gibson
just got to save the pennies as they are still fookin expensive
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u can get them cheaper on the web,but i went to "sound control" mine was up for Ł350.........but i got it for Ł300......at least if anything is wrong u can go back to a shop,u cant on the net..............and u get to play it first
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what sort of stuff do you play Matt?
all sorts, mainly classic blues rock, led zep, cream etc and now I've got this amp thats got an acoustic simulator in it I can do some strummy folk stuff, dylan and neil young etc..
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I am pondering whether to have another go at guitar. I started playing 10-odd years ago but never really got into it as my love was drums. Now I have anew house where I can't fit my drums, I might have a go at guitar again....
If I do then I am getting one of these;
Mesa Engineering Dual Rectifier - 2x12 combo Such a superb amp
Fuck know whats guitar it will be tho - I'm also a lefty so choice is limited, plus whilst I love the sound, tone, and looks of the Les Pauls, I am not keen on the feel of them But Strats are boring.....
If I do then I am getting one of these;
Mesa Engineering Dual Rectifier - 2x12 combo Such a superb amp
Fuck know whats guitar it will be tho - I'm also a lefty so choice is limited, plus whilst I love the sound, tone, and looks of the Les Pauls, I am not keen on the feel of them But Strats are boring.....
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Mesa Boogie amps are the baws!!! I played through a stack version a while ago and it was just awesome!!
I have the head and cabinet version of the Marshall on here, love it! But what kind of effects pedal would you want? There are tons on the amp, admittedley you don't have as many settings as you would on the pedal.
I've got a couple of modded distortion pedals, and a cry baby wah, and don't feel the need for much else
I have an Epiphone Les Paul Special Edition, and find very little difference between this and a modern Gibson
I have the head and cabinet version of the Marshall on here, love it! But what kind of effects pedal would you want? There are tons on the amp, admittedley you don't have as many settings as you would on the pedal.
I've got a couple of modded distortion pedals, and a cry baby wah, and don't feel the need for much else
I have an Epiphone Les Paul Special Edition, and find very little difference between this and a modern Gibson
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Smudge - damn right, and one thing I really love about Mesa amps is their distortion sound - big fat heavy as fuck sound
Couple that with a tubescreamer for stupidly ear piercing harmonics and solo's and you're sorted
I would love the Rectifier head with a 2x12 cab but it's bucks! And the 4x12 cab is even more!!!!
Couple that with a tubescreamer for stupidly ear piercing harmonics and solo's and you're sorted
I would love the Rectifier head with a 2x12 cab but it's bucks! And the 4x12 cab is even more!!!!
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I am pondering whether to have another go at guitar. I started playing 10-odd years ago but never really got into it as my love was drums. Now I have anew house where I can't fit my drums, I might have a go at guitar again....
I've had this guitar 8 years and I've given up more times than I've had hot dinners, was going to throw it on ebay and be done with it but I thought I'd give it one last chance and it worked
The amp is a reward to myself for sticking with and getting past the hard stage of sitting smacking strings for 2 hours a day and sounding dismal, then it just clicks and you make big progress quicker, since I've got the amp I cant put the damn thing down!!!
Les Paul's are what most of my hero's play(ed) so its got to be one of them, at least its because I want to sound like Pete Green and not just to look cool
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Thing is Matt - some people just have a natural ability at some things, and some don't. I have a natural ability at drums, as in I could play and was playing live well before I decided to take lessons (lessons was to learn what everything meant, and also to hone on what I already knew) but with guitar I just don't have the "knack" with it.
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
Drums on the other hand I know I can do it, so I DO do it....
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
Drums on the other hand I know I can do it, so I DO do it....
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Oh I do - thats the only reason I play. I stopped playing live (drums) many years ago, and other than a couple of guest appearences here n there filling in for people and a few studio spots, I haven't played outside my house for years n years...
But I am one of those that unless it's perfect (or near perfect) then it's not worth doing (IMO). I get very frustrated when I can't do something, and playing the same 5 or 6 songs and the odd lick here n there get boring VERY quickly to me!
But I am one of those that unless it's perfect (or near perfect) then it's not worth doing (IMO). I get very frustrated when I can't do something, and playing the same 5 or 6 songs and the odd lick here n there get boring VERY quickly to me!
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Thing is Matt - some people just have a natural ability at some things, and some don't. I have a natural ability at drums, as in I could play and was playing live well before I decided to take lessons (lessons was to learn what everything meant, and also to hone on what I already knew) but with guitar I just don't have the "knack" with it.
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
Drums on the other hand I know I can do it, so I DO do it....
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
Drums on the other hand I know I can do it, so I DO do it....
But I wouldnt say I've got a natural knack for it, fuck, the first couple of weeks or so I was terrible, to the point where I thought this is hopeless, if you cant play a few chords properly why the fuck are you bothering, then it just clicked and I got better faster, learnt a couple of blues solo's, quite a few songs made up from about 7 or 8 chords so they arent too difficult to learn, although with the what style of music/guitar you like I can see it taking serious comitment and time to play some of that!!
No harm in trying though mate, if you buy half decent kit I'm sure you'd get your money back if you didnt stick with it.
Just had a look, I wish I was right handed and rich
76 Goldtop LP or a 52 Goldtop LP
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I'm in the same cack, sorry, I mean LEFT-handed boat as you....
I want this one tho! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Left-Handed-Le...QQcmdZViewItem
I want this one tho! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Left-Handed-Le...QQcmdZViewItem
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I'm in the same cack, sorry, I mean LEFT-handed boat as you....
I want this one tho! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Left-Handed-Le...QQcmdZViewItem
I want this one tho! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Left-Handed-Le...QQcmdZViewItem
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Thing is Matt - some people just have a natural ability at some things, and some don't.
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
Absolute bollocks in my opinion mate. Yes some people pick up things quicker than some other people but Slash and Wylde for example are great because they not only picked up guitar at a young age but also put in 12 hours a day. Wylde is a guitar icon who used to fall asleep at school because of playing all night, Slash at first picked up his grans 1 stringed accoustic and again put in the hours.
Vai is known for his 10 hours work outs just to warm up/practice alone. Do you think Ronnie O'sullivan would be as good if he didn't have a snooker table in his house at 10 and use it?
You don't get anywhere without practice and those virtuoso guitarists like Satriani, Petrucci and Vai etc just practice more than anyone else. IE the ones who are iconic guitarists more because they were in a big band as well, like Slash, Page, Kirk etc. Kirk had some scale lessons with Joe Satriani. So hes not that natural is he.
Anyone who plays/has played an instrument for a long time then puts it down for ages would lose it a bit or get rusty even if they don't notice it, just as you get better if you have a period where you put in even more extra hours. Its not how many years you played for its hour many hours in that time!
Matt J, nice amp.
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Thing is Matt - some people just have a natural ability at some things, and some don't.
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
And the way I see it, unless you have this natural ability then you will never be Slash, or Dave Gilmour, or Kirk Hammet, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Petrucci, etc..... So in that respect I have already given up mentally as I know I will never be like these people....
Absolute bollocks in my opinion mate. Yes some people pick up things quicker than some other people but Slash and Wylde for example are great because they not only picked up guitar at a young age but also put in 12 hours a day. Wylde is a guitar icon who used to fall asleep at school because of playing all night, Slash at first picked up his grans 1 stringed accoustic and again put in the hours.
Vai is known for his 10 hours work outs just to warm up/practice alone. Do you think Ronnie O'sullivan would be as good if he didn't have a snooker table in his house at 10 and use it?
You don't get anywhere without practice and those virtuoso guitarists like Satriani, Petrucci and Vai etc just practice more than anyone else. IE the ones who are iconic guitarists more because they were in a big band as well, like Slash, Page, Kirk etc. Kirk had some scale lessons with Joe Satriani. So hes not that natural is he.
Anyone who plays/has played an instrument for a long time then puts it down for ages would lose it a bit or get rusty even if they don't notice it, just as you get better if you have a period where you put in even more extra hours. Its not how many years you played for its hour many hours in that time!
Matt J, nice amp.
You can teach virtually anyone to play an instrument, but some will be better than others, and some will never quite get it.
Take the White brothers - Alan and Steve. Alan White was the original drummer for Oasis, and Steve made his name playing with the Syle Council and Paul Weller. I know both pretty well. Both will tell you that Alan has a natural talent from drums and Steve had to put in over twice the ammount of hourse practicing and learning that Alan did. Alan could go weeks at a time with out playing then jump right in and play like he had only stopped playing yesterday. Steve had to work at it and work at it to stay on top.
So you take Slash and another random kid of the same age and if they both spent just as long on the guitar practising and learning, I would bet you my house that Slash would still become better, and the other kid wouldn't be anywhere near him by now.
Another good example is the two guitarists I was in a band with - both were very close friends of mine who I knew inside out. Both will tell you that the lead guitarist had a natural ability for the guitar greater than the rhythm guitarist - hence why he was the lead. He could pull solo's out of thin air and play most things after often just one or two listens. The other guy couldn't.
What instrument do you play?
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Tony McCarroll was actually the original drummer for oasis LOL
i agree with what you say tho. natural talent helps a lot. playing drums tho you also need rhythm so i been told or it just dont happen.
i played football to quite a high standard and was "naturally gifted" with a ball. i hardly play anymore but i know that whenever i do put on a pair of boots i can still play to a high level. a few of my mates play sat league/semi pro and i can hold my own with these guys.
i agree with what you say tho. natural talent helps a lot. playing drums tho you also need rhythm so i been told or it just dont happen.
i played football to quite a high standard and was "naturally gifted" with a ball. i hardly play anymore but i know that whenever i do put on a pair of boots i can still play to a high level. a few of my mates play sat league/semi pro and i can hold my own with these guys.
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Of course natural ability plays a part, thats why the best are the best and the rest are the rest
same as above, I played football as much as my mate did, if he was playing I was playing, he was and probably still is 10 times better than I'll ever be, surely if it was just down to practice time we'd be as good as each other?
And Ronnie O'Sullivan is a poor example, if you've ever watched one of his matches on TV EVERY time without fail one of the commentators will say "he's the most naurally gifted player we've had, theres no question of that" FFS he's better left handed than most of the top 16 are right handed thats natural ability, yes he practiced but I bet he didnt practice as much as some of the pro's have had to.
anyway, I'll leave you lot to it, I'm off to rattle the windows
same as above, I played football as much as my mate did, if he was playing I was playing, he was and probably still is 10 times better than I'll ever be, surely if it was just down to practice time we'd be as good as each other?
And Ronnie O'Sullivan is a poor example, if you've ever watched one of his matches on TV EVERY time without fail one of the commentators will say "he's the most naurally gifted player we've had, theres no question of that" FFS he's better left handed than most of the top 16 are right handed thats natural ability, yes he practiced but I bet he didnt practice as much as some of the pro's have had to.
anyway, I'll leave you lot to it, I'm off to rattle the windows
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Thrush- Nah i don't think we have discussed it before, that was a topic about GnR. You were telling me how guns are no way near as good with Buckethead and i argued differen't as i had seen them with the new lineup as well. I think you then went on to tell me all about how your musical knowledge and touring or something overrules me. Even though you don't play guitar. My part of the debate was that yes he was different and lacked that same style but he was technically better and made it it a great gig still. Some people though came to love Slash and co and would never be convinced.
As for this topic, lots of people out there are better than Slash that will never be famous, they just haven't had the breaks or opportunities or simply don't want to make a career out of it. Are you seriously telling me if 1000 people played guitar since 14/15 like Slash for 12 hours a day they wouldn't be capable of being in a decent band? Of course they would. Some musicians in bands are actually known for being crap tecnically but just happen to be in that band. Slash was turned away from Guns n Roses after they advertised for a guitarist when young but they had him in the end as he kept turning up. Imagine if they didn't have him.
For me the credit for those musicians is because they practised for that amount of time, that is serious dedication and not many can do that. Not for half a day or more, even when young without commitments and that is why they are greats. Ever single one of them has worked their balls of for it. The virtuoso guitarists, (buckethead, Vai, Yngwie, Satch) put even more time in but aren't as famous as those in a big band due to solo guitar albums not being as popular. But they are technically better and that is due to the methods they use and time they practice. Someone like Slash in his prime GnR time would be doing Mr brownstone and Jack Daniels half the day whilst some of the virtuosos would be locked in a room or studio practising things. Many people say similar about Jimmy Page, that at a certain stage of his career when on heroin his playing was sloppy and not as good as before.
Matt J- the commentators do always say that your right but not one snooker player plays the same out of the time they spend nor do they practice the same way or divide that time to each practice thing the same. No one picks up a cue or guitar and plays amazingly. How do the commentators know what hes done in his childhood or spare time? The comment based on what they see at the time, young or old thats it. They see brilliance so they say those things based on his fast 147's and attacking play but other areas of his game are not as great as other players, like safety play. John higgins is better at that, maybe he spent more of the time he had on that area than Ronnie did. Everyone praticises differently. Some ways or schedules will pay of more than others.
Unless you get a group of people in a lab and make sure they do the same thing and spend the exact same time you can't say its natural ability but people do as a way to describe someone amazing at it or genius. Even if their was 1 that processed that ability the difference wouldn't me that massive, not bearing in mind the time we are talking about putting in here. Which is probably more than most sleep.
As for this topic, lots of people out there are better than Slash that will never be famous, they just haven't had the breaks or opportunities or simply don't want to make a career out of it. Are you seriously telling me if 1000 people played guitar since 14/15 like Slash for 12 hours a day they wouldn't be capable of being in a decent band? Of course they would. Some musicians in bands are actually known for being crap tecnically but just happen to be in that band. Slash was turned away from Guns n Roses after they advertised for a guitarist when young but they had him in the end as he kept turning up. Imagine if they didn't have him.
For me the credit for those musicians is because they practised for that amount of time, that is serious dedication and not many can do that. Not for half a day or more, even when young without commitments and that is why they are greats. Ever single one of them has worked their balls of for it. The virtuoso guitarists, (buckethead, Vai, Yngwie, Satch) put even more time in but aren't as famous as those in a big band due to solo guitar albums not being as popular. But they are technically better and that is due to the methods they use and time they practice. Someone like Slash in his prime GnR time would be doing Mr brownstone and Jack Daniels half the day whilst some of the virtuosos would be locked in a room or studio practising things. Many people say similar about Jimmy Page, that at a certain stage of his career when on heroin his playing was sloppy and not as good as before.
Matt J- the commentators do always say that your right but not one snooker player plays the same out of the time they spend nor do they practice the same way or divide that time to each practice thing the same. No one picks up a cue or guitar and plays amazingly. How do the commentators know what hes done in his childhood or spare time? The comment based on what they see at the time, young or old thats it. They see brilliance so they say those things based on his fast 147's and attacking play but other areas of his game are not as great as other players, like safety play. John higgins is better at that, maybe he spent more of the time he had on that area than Ronnie did. Everyone praticises differently. Some ways or schedules will pay of more than others.
Unless you get a group of people in a lab and make sure they do the same thing and spend the exact same time you can't say its natural ability but people do as a way to describe someone amazing at it or genius. Even if their was 1 that processed that ability the difference wouldn't me that massive, not bearing in mind the time we are talking about putting in here. Which is probably more than most sleep.