cossie04

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I`ve recently aquired a Sierra XR4i which i now want to use with a granada cosworth engine. This seems to be a popular conversion, and i was wondering if anyone could give me any advice on what i need to change.

My two main questions are, will my gearbox fit straight on the the cossy lump? and, what is involved in the electrical side of things? Am i best off buying a whole donor car with the loom and everything else?

Any advice would be great peeps

Ed

The Youth.

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I have just done the conversion on my track car so should be able to help!! lol

ok your type 9 gearbox will fit straight on but is at it's limit on a standard engine so will fail if used hard.

as for the engine and parts needed, deffo buy a full car then remove the stuff you need
these 3 sites will help you no end

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/xrcosworth/

http://www.maddoldbugger.supanet.com/home.html

http://www.fordpower-uk.co.uk/index.php?

also for your wiring pm "mark 24v wiring " on here as he did my loom and is great with advice over the phone he spent hours on the phone sorting mine out!

steve

SillyFezzaMk1

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Deffinately get a complete donor car!!!!!!!

For these reasons....

A) the xr4i doesnt have a LSD as standard...the 24v does
B) You will need the loom and ecu
C) you'll need all the hoses and possibly the header tanks...rad etc.....
D) you can see how it all goes together before you take it apart

the 4i gearbox should fit the 24v engine (but as mentioned above is a weak link and will fail when abused) or you could mod the 4i gearbox bottom mount to accept the granada box (if you get a manual...if not then get a xr4x4 mt75 and have it adapted to 2wd)

The whole back axle, front subframe with suspension and engine on can be dropped from the granada and put straight into the 4i...

Then its a case of hosing it all up and swapping the rad, exhausts, fueling and wiring it all up.

It shouldnt take more than a few days if you hit it hard

Cheers
Dan

dojj

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fucking errors

just done a complete how to and it's gone fucking walkies

goodnight

cossie4i+

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No need to do all this lol

Can have the engine fitted and running in a day.

Steve.

SillyFezzaMk1

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yeah my bad, thats how you do the 4x4 version....the 2wd version can come out easy just undoing the mounts.

So you reckon you can complete this conversion in a day? wired up, diff changed, mt75 gearbox fitted, exhaust fitted and ready to run....

I think not....and Tbh I said a week but that would be doing an hour a night and 1 day at weekend....just gives you time if you get problem bolts etc...no point saying I can do it in a day (whilst puffing chest out) and having 1 little problem and making yourself look a C u n t when the guy comes to fetch his car! lol

Anyhow I was trying to contribute to the guys problem and not get into discussion with you about how long it takes to do.

Cheers
Dan

cossie04

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Cheers for the advice lads, learnt quite a bit already from this thread. I`m well up for the conversion as mine isn`t capable of running on 6 cylinders.

So the first thing i need to do is find cheap granada cossy. Does anyone know of one for sale? Not much on ebay at the moment.

Any more advice welcome...

Cheers, Ed.

The Youth.

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there are usually quite a few on ebay, try using the different search words such as granada 24v as well as the obvious ones
bargains can be had, I paid Ł60 for mine and that was the full running car with an mot!!!

steve

JohnnyB

24v engine loom and ecu, thats all you need.if you use the type 9 box then the fly wheel and clutch will work. you need to remove the gear box shaft guide from the old 2.8 crank.

wiring is not to tricky. A brand new type 9 will hold 200 ib's of torque, but a old tired one like most of them out there will die very quickly with a 24v engine. a rwd mt75 works very well with them but hard to get hold of.

Gearbox man will make you one or topboss will. If you have a T5 lying about topboss will sell you an adaptor plate and shaft estension.

you will need to mod the zorse down pipes, but its not difficult.

JohnnyB

oo topboss can to a 24v to xr4x4 convertion in a day its not tricky if you have a lift and loads of parts to hand

cossie4i+

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What i ment was you do not require to do all the work you stated.

You can use the type 9 gearbox, no need to change the diff unless you want the LSD.

So its just out with the 2.8 engine and in with the 24v, mod the exhaust and wire it up.

Steve.

dojj

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i'll try again
with doner engine ready and waiting to go already extracted from the car
reversed the car onto the ramps
engine and gearbox out
engine and box inwired up
driving off the ramps
1 hour 40 minutes
been there, done that, even had a helpoing hand in doing it so if you know what you are doing then it's all well and good

if you want to keep the 5 stud granada hubs (and the brakes) just swap the whole rear end over and find a sierra disc braked handbrake cable to go with it
at the front just swap the whole lot over again but you will need to use sierra tca's, wind the tre's in a little, use 4x4 struts (the granada ones don't fit) and sierra V6 springs and away you go

the gearbox is the only thing who will give you grief but the loom is an easy enough conversion to do

fuel plumbing might also be an issue, but only because of the age

Graham S1

http://www.granada-and-scorpio-online.com/forums/

cossie04

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Well thanks for the help in finding one guys, found a whole scorp cossie for Ł150 on ebay! I`m gonna start stripping down the cossie on thursday i think.

Fil

so a great conversion for the cash, more power, and better fuel economy

from memory theres about 12/15 wires to mate up from the 24v to the xr loom.

you need to use the 24v rev counter

worth imo getting a escort cos cluth to fit in there, im assuming it will fit a 4i??? as mine was a 4x4

exhaust modded

cossie4i+

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The rev counters from some 2.9 Sierras works, well thats what i had in my 4i

Steve.

JohnnyB

The early 2.9 eg 89 90 the revcounter will work, but later ones don't

alanfordtw-15

those 80 quid and 150 quid cars are making me sick. i paid 700 euros for an engine and loom, robbing irish c*nts

cossie4i+

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Looks very clean

Steve.

mark_24v_wiring

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You can take the loom out without cutting any wires (except the abs sensors) so dont get snip happy!!

If you want me to come wire it and get it running then pm me

cossie04

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Cheers m8, thats brilliant. Might take you up on that yet, will see how i get on.

SillyFezzaMk1

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cant remember the value now but if you put a resistor in the rev counter feed wire it removes the blips in the needle caused by the wrong dial.

Dan

Jim Galbally

i ran a standard 2.9 revcounter, but had to of them throw in the towel.

switched to a granada one (after using somy shitty digital one... lol) and problems solved, plus its a better revcounter imho

mark_24v_wiring

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2.9 4x4 rev counter works ok or you can use the 2.8 xr4i one but you need 4 resistors (its the way i know and works) or as jim did you can use the granada one

cossie04

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Brilliant. Cheers for the info guys, will probarly use 2.9 4x4 rev counter or maybe the scorpio rev counter. Just in the process of adding the engine loom to the 4i but i`m a bit baffeled now...lol.

cossie4i+

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PM my Brother then

(mark_24v_wiring)

Steve.

mark_24v_wiring

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PM got and replied to

The Youth.

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just send the loom to mark and he will sort it.

BTW mark, the rev counter works fine now on pin 2 of the edis

cheers m8

steve

mark_24v_wiring

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Thank god for that lol

Yours has been one thing after another i recon its you after dropping that bolt you jinxed the whole thing pmsl

Glad all is ok mate now get out there and rag the arse out of it lol

The Youth.

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at least that bolt can't come back and haunt me now ,
on track at donnington on july 1st
just need to bolt the lower dash and cage back in and it's done

one question tho mark,I have wired the map sensor up, and have taken a feed from thee back of the inlet manifold is this ok as I didn't use the blue non return valve type thing that was in the line originally?
still have it tho if it needs it.

steve

mark_24v_wiring

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Dont forget it wont be calibrated to start with well unless your planning on taking out on the road before hand lol

The Youth.

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just edited my last post m8 with a question.
in answer to yours I have a track "test" planned for early next month at my local kart track for testing and calibration..
ie rag the bastid to see if out breaks ar falls off lol

don't wanna trailer it all the way to donno without testing it first!

steve

mark_24v_wiring

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Have you not got my new number or are you ignoring me coz you got ya head stuck in another car

Jim Galbally

map sensor? they dont have a map sensor? you neam the little one that goes to the back of the plenum?

dojj

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thats the egr in the back of the manifold

i think he's on about the cat stuff

mark_24v_wiring

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There is a map sensor i know not what you expect but there is one there on the std car its on the drivers side inner wing up near the bulk head along with the egr stuff

cossie04

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Cheers guys, will pm mark 24v wiring now...

Cheers again peeps.

JohnnyB

well it is and is not a MAP sensor, the ford wiring book says its somthing else, but the fact of the matter it measures pressure from the intake manifould.

but its not like a MAP sensor as it measures inrements in pressure it just clicks when a certaine pressure is reached.

and yes its to do with the egr so you don't need it, but I this it produces a error code on the ecu if its not there

mark_24v_wiring

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Now what was that i said about wires hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm let me think ...................................


You

Ill fix it

Jim Galbally

it lets the ECU when you're giving it beans so that the ECU can tell that autbox what to do