Porkie

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Really? thought it was more like 130mph. Furry muff

Still the WRONG gearbox to reccomend for a road car

Mike Rainbird

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Lee,
It's just like maxing out fourth gear. Don't forget you're on a shorter final drive, so probably why you're getting confused . Also, the speeds I quoted are with 18" wheels, so you can knock 10mph ish off for 17s.

Porkie

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I could just about live with the straight cut box.... its the Dog engagement that would get on your tits if you used it on road alot.

Jon(M600BHP)

Its the clunking into gear at traffic lights that got on my tits

Ginge !

what is dog engagement ???

ive never got that, i understand syncros and double syncros having rebuilt a gearbo before and helped with another gear box

but dog is something i aint got a clue about

Dannn

I agree to, its fucking horrid driving round with a straight cut box...!

Chip

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Straight cut = annoying but not end of the world
Dog box = fuck that, maintaince nightmare and horrific in traffic

Ginge !

thats a techy reply,,,, but i was more wondering on there workings

Porkie

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Yes... bruises your hands as well at first!!!

Ginge, a dog engagement box has no syncros.

Jon(M600BHP)

And allows you to select any gear no matter what the revs are(which can be a knightmare )

Ginge !

so its just cogs meaning double clutch that they talked about on fast and furious ( i understand the car they was talking about had syncros though)

whys it called dog then ?

WHY would you want a dog box when all new boxes these days have double syncros so changing gears can be done with a gentle blow and parking is a dream

that AND a straight cut box,,,, how the fuck do you change gear or is it cause no syncro means you can bang it in gears with no clutch/little and not worry abou fucking the syncros,,, still confused what slows the gears to mesh though

marco polo

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hi chip


the entry level of the mullit box will be the same as any other syncro standard box
as it uses standard 1st/mainshaft , when the boxes are built everything is fitted with brand new syncros /bearings seals/ect and its tested on the DYNO before it goes out


how many other put gearboxs on the dyno or even have a dyno ?????

some standard mt75's are better than others at the end of the day they have all done alot of miles and have been abused thats the chance they take


thats why we offer the uprated 1st gear and mainsahft then you have got a pretty bullit proof box

all you have to do is ask porkie how many hard lauches did he do

he told me that he done a good few and it's an awesome box

may be he has got a good 1st gear and mainshaft in his i dont know

the fix it use standard 1st and mainshaft theirs doesn't break

cheers marco

Porkie

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Sure does.... Wes 'buzzed' his engine using his Dogbox that way. Pretty sure Martoon and Sean did as well at some point....

Bruce did a launch once in reverse as well

and to answer Marcos question the car has done loads of full bore launches! I had NO worries about the Mullet box breaking during a launch for 2 reasons

1. I had NO idea it had a standard first gear until reading this post
2. I have not had to pay for it

In my experience you will break drive shafts long before the Box when launching!!! The Sierra is on 3.9 diffs though and that takes some stress off when launching. Its a bit lighter than standard as well which again helps.

Ginge !

marco whats the point in dynoing a gearbox,,, if its built right ( and to be fair its not rocket science to line up the gears,,,,,, i managed it ) then why need to test it

surly thats pointless as there ALL gonna be fine unless theres a guy building em whos a bit erm,,,, well shite at his job

the boxes have adjusters to line up the syncros and dowels ect so you you dont need to test there lined up before fitting

marco polo

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Hi mate

well i christend it the Mullit box because of my hair do as i have or had a Mullit head and also because ford use to do a Bullit box which rymes

theres alot of peeps dont know but it took me 4yrs to get the guy to make this kit for the 4wd boys

threres alot of peeps selling this kit now !!!!! and everyone has differnt prices im not getting involved what they charge thats up the the person who they are dealing with

i go it off the ground and everyone jumps on it nowing that it's a good product

marco

Mike Rainbird

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Same reason every single car manufacturer does a brief rolling road test on each car before it goes out, and the majority of cars are built by robots . It's a final check to MAKE sure it is working correctly, as you'd be pissed if the first you knew about it was when you went to drive down the road and it wouldn't go in gear .

radiant red

been running a standard box for months now never had a poblem with it,running about 440 bhp

obviously not trying hard enough

Mark Shead

I have had a gearbox biult by a specailist that kept poping out of second even though I said this has to be biult right and no cost constrants
I think its a bloody good Idea and very professional in doing so,
I say forget Fixit as you cannont buy one which means you cant fix one .

Mark

marco polo

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because sometimes we have to finsh off the gears and we make sure everything fits and another reasone he or she wont have to worry when it comes to fitting it , it will be right 1st time not the second time

is that ok for you

marco

Chip

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I agree with what you are saying, but its only a sample in the cases of modern production cars, NOT every car.
But thats different to boxes built by hand, as they WILL vary more than 20,000 cars all made by the same machines, you stick every 50th one on the rollers or round a track etc to test its all still working fine.

marco polo

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chip

the fix it uses the same kind of set up and they dont break many

go and look on some of scandanivian cars with proper power


at the end of the day its a product out there thats does what it says on the tin

there has been a good few kits/boxes sold and have not had 1 come back yet but saying that nothing will last forever in motorsport and thats a fact ,

you could have an FFD/ ot X-trac they still need looking at at some point

and they are loads of money an for what your getting the Mullit box is valve for money

if some cam make a better kit and alot cheaper good luck to them

cheers marco

Chip

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Marco.

I was only correcting mike on the number that are tested on production cars.

I think that on something like your gearboxes which are largely handmade a dyno test is a superb reassurance for the customer, and I also think that its a product that (complete with the parts availability and service levels) the ford scene has been crying out for.

If you thought I was critising the box then apologies for how shite I must have worded what I said, ive got nothing but praise for both the box itself and your sticking with it for so long, I genuinely belive that you have done something that will help to further the scene and give a lot of people a very viable option

marco polo

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sorry chip i just re read your post , you was replying to mike ..lol..

Chip

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Its an easy mistake that any CUNT could have made mate

marco polo

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Ginge !

marco it wasnt a dig, i was just saying that the boxes have screwdriver flats in them to line up the gears when building so dynoing seems a waste if there all built up proper in the first place,,, no need to get the hump cause ive asked a question

ive not said a bad word about your boxes and i heard that they came 3k built but now its said thats the price of the kit and its another 800 !!!! to build the box ( im guessing theres machining done on the case/shafts as it dont take 16 hours to build a box,,,,,,,,,, including fitting

i think that at 3k is a pukka price for a box off the shelf as theres NOTHING out there at that price,, but when it turns into 4k for a box then theres vat,, well aint that the average price and for that im SURE people would go for a company thats esablished and builds all kinds of boxes for a living rather than a very smart chappy whos got a good engineer to make a kit and is selling it on cars that hes mates have fitted and is a little new to see what problems are about

whats the spares availability like,,, afterall thats the downside i heard to the quaifes is getting spares is a bitch

just questions to feed my personal info about the boxes as im getting more interested in boxes the more i play with them as it seems others dont have a interest and just use a company and hope

i know sib is VERY happy with the box as i was talking to him about it in germany hence my interest in this post

Billabong

Dyno testing the 'box proves it can take the torque (and that everything is as it should be), quite common in the US I believe.

Ginge, the problem with Quaife is that they are a motorsport supplier in the main, and so spares can possibly be delayed depending on the motorsport calendar (as I understand it). I guess the motorsport companies are further up the 'importance' list....

cos47

Yea but you know Dads is a road car LOL

Ginge !

bill that was a reference to pricing

tbh i know a few quaifes have died from people on here when given stick so id go for a marco one ( has he done them in 2.5 m50 engine fitments yet ha ha )

my rely was to try and explain my self to him so he didnt think i was having a dig at a good box

marco polo

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ginge

what you dont understand is the big tooth gears are in manufactured form we can to trim them and mess about with them to get 100% right

no one is saying your slaging it


we do that to everybox that has the big tooth fitted and also to standard rebuilds

it is a serives that is provided as standard so we know the gearbox is 1000000000000000000000% perfect in every single way


so when people fit the gearbox it's perfect you dont have to worry about the box built wrong or jam a gear or a chrunch ect


have you not read what i wrote about the what people are charging the customers for these boxes

thats is down to them i have no controll over that


you should know where to come then simple as that

marco

Ginge !

i get the reason for the dyno btw,,, makes sence as there not a high output gear set and also means more of a handmade tollerence rather than the " make em this size to hide faults" technology

good luck and its a good product you got,,,, just hope the big boys dont price out your idea thus making you loose sales for someone else to make extra cash

but then i recon this aint about the cash but a passtime for you

Chip

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ginge, what "big boys" mate?

do you mean others selling the Mullit, or do you mean people selling quaiffes etc.

I believe marco is cheapest place for a mullit, and quaiffe have no equivalent product effectively, so either way I dont think he is at too much risk, but having spoken to him about it first hand, you are definately right that he didnt do it for the money, but I personally would like to see him make a few quid anyway as he fucking deserves it

Ginge !

i ment garages selling hes box for 1k over the price others are as they will
set the average price of his boxes and make people think " ill just buy this second hand quaife for 3k" when he can get a box built for that

dont get me wrong everyone deserves to earn cash if they come with a idea,,, this is a GREAT idea for the 4x4 boys and if sold at 3k then more would sell than say 4k plus vat,,,, just my opinion which tbh,,, i aint gonna buy a cossie again so dont mean fuck all

mk3cosworth

come on then lads seen as you all know what your on about which box and diffs for my mk3, it only weighs 1000 kilos aswell
ill be doing alot of 1/4 miles and track action but dont want to run out off speed either

markk

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dog boxes are easy to use, haveing done many many miles with one or two, one thing i will tell you though is not all dog changes are the same, quaife have one of the roughest changes on a dogbox ive ever used. compared that to a hewland cut and there totally differant, so dont condemn them until youve tried the best ones

Billabong

Ginge, maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, I was just explaining the possible reason for difficulty in getting spares in what you and I would call a timely fashion - sometimes a problem with motorsport parts. Marco's gearkit is geared up (excuse the pun, lol) for enthusiasts, and is a welcome addition to options for us 'normal' road/odd trackday type folk, who can be doing without long waits for spares if needed. Can only be a good thing

Chip

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Would you be happy with one in traffic on your daily driver?

Si B

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Just to reiterate what I wrote yesterday, which seems to have been overlooked!

Totally up to you where you buy your box from, and there are plenty of well respected traders on this site, but if you want to pay under £3k for a sorted box... read my post.

Ref the people talking about straight cut boxes, and living with them. My own car was a road car, and I was more than happy to use it on the road - the noise is there, but it's no more irratating / noticeable than say a dump valve / induction whistle / noisey exhaust. The Mullet box noise is not excessive for a big power road and track car.

Si

markk

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a hewland/ffd cut would not be a problem at all, the question should be , 'would i ever have a cosworth as a daily driver ?' then the answer would be definatly not