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Old 11-04-2007, 04:17 PM
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leave it to idle for a few minutes & the oil pressure drops off to around 1 bar when driving it stays around 4 bar, normally above!
engine has only done 800 miles, the guy who done the crank is spot on so i don't see clearances being a problem, hoping its a lazy pump of airleak, got a new pump, pickup pipe & gasket, hopefully that should sort it.
oh well, something to do the weekend
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Hope its something simple mate
Old 11-04-2007, 04:21 PM
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Not a mega thin oil or something silly?
Old 11-04-2007, 04:28 PM
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Or an innacurate guage ?
The minimum specified is 1.8 bar at 850 rpm, with 20/50 oil at 80 degrees c, 2.4 bar at 2000rpm.
So log as it picks up as it does I would not worry unduly, ford set these figures on a brand new everything, and there is so little load at idle. tabetha
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Originally Posted by Paul Ripley
Not a mega thin oil or something silly?
it has valvoline 20/50 at the moment, i was thinking of trying a bit of mobile 1 15/50 before i got to involved.
Old 11-04-2007, 04:32 PM
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20W is a bit of a thick cold rating isnt it? Cant be too nice for it for cold starts.

But yeah, change the oil first, may have just deteriorated.
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I used VALVOLINE racing in me old pinto(all ok) but my dad used some in his rover v8 and had very very low pressure.
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Default Re: low oil pressure on idle......

Originally Posted by GUZZLER
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leave it to idle for a few minutes & the oil pressure drops off to around 1 bar when driving it stays around 4 bar, normally above!
engine has only done 800 miles, the guy who done the crank is spot on so i don't see clearances being a problem, hoping its a lazy pump of airleak, got a new pump, pickup pipe & gasket, hopefully that should sort it.
oh well, something to do the weekend


My car idles there but only when really hot and the fans are on, it usually sits about 20 psi on idle when hot but it goes up to 55 psi when driving on a motorway, me in my mental mind thought something was up but my engine hasnt changed a bit since it got rebuilt about 5k ago, let me no what you do and if its a weak oil pump as might need to do mine too
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Oh dear mate.
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Good luck sorting it Mat

That is very low at idle

Even when mine is very hot its still about 32psi

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Originally Posted by Stavros
20W is a bit of a thick cold rating isnt it? Cant be too nice for it for cold starts.

But yeah, change the oil first, may have just deteriorated.
its a mineral oil to run in on, its done less than 700 miles so should still be good!!

i'll pop down Power Engineering & change the oil for some mobile 1 but knowing my luck with this car it will be more involved than that
Old 11-04-2007, 06:25 PM
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my old focus used to tick over at 10psi on the gauge, have seen it drop to about 7-8psi (about 0.5 bar).... was fine for a few years like it!!!
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Default Re: low oil pressure on idle......

Originally Posted by GUZZLER
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leave it to idle for a few minutes & the oil pressure drops off to around 1 bar when driving it stays around 4 bar, normally above!
engine has only done 800 miles, the guy who done the crank is spot on so i don't see clearances being a problem, hoping its a lazy pump of airleak, got a new pump, pickup pipe & gasket, hopefully that should sort it.
oh well, something to do the weekend
Does the oil light flicker when gauge reads this low as i thought the light comes on about 18psi?
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oil light dosn't flicker but if its left on idle for about 5 minutes the lifters start to clatter a bit so they much not be getting enough pressure to them!
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Oil light doesnt come on till its below 7.5 psi im sure
Old 11-04-2007, 07:12 PM
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What revs is it idling at?
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idles pretty much on 1000rpm.
Old 11-04-2007, 07:37 PM
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It does seem a bit low for 1000rpm..

any idea of oil temp at this point?

is the pressure taken from the standard escos gauge?
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it is strange cause it still gets good pressure when driving
Old 11-04-2007, 07:43 PM
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First thing i would do it try with another gauge....you can get cheap ones in halfords for 20 quid.

Bet it will be cool
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as above i would not worry if you are still getting good pressure when driving...

mine was down to 28psi when flatout before i stipped mine....
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thing is, if the lifters are tapping (which i did hear it doing when i saw ya last), thats gotta mean there isnt enough pressure top end. i would PERSONALLY just change the pump before you take out the bottom end again. least you know if that would be the problem or not.
Old 11-04-2007, 09:07 PM
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Sounds like the oil, mine was also shit low when driving WITHOUT oilcooler
Has changed to oilcooler and brand new cosworth oilpump, now its almost 3bar on idle
Old 11-04-2007, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Or an innacurate guage ?
The minimum specified is 1.8 bar at 850 rpm, with 20/50 oil at 80 degrees c, 2.4 bar at 2000rpm.
So log as it picks up as it does I would not worry unduly, ford set these figures on a brand new everything, and there is so little load at idle. tabetha

yes but what if you left it idling for like 10 mins?

it woudl be fucked no...?


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Old 11-04-2007, 09:10 PM
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i'd have to agree with above, the chances are that if you have sysmptoms of poor pressure such as noisy followers then there is a problem that needs fixing

i'd have a look at the pump i reckon
Old 11-04-2007, 09:25 PM
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Wasn't there a batch of dodgy 4x4 oil pumps floating about a while ago....???
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mate, if that gauge is reading true, then you havea fault, it wont just be iffy oil.

dont drive it and get it checked over.

1st symptom of my 24v engine letting go was funky oil pressure at idle. it lasted less than 100miles after that
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You need to check your oil pump is flush with the block this sounds like there is a gap and is pulling in air, I have seen this a few times when people assemble there engines and not check,
The other is a leak from the oil pick up gasket did you put the o ring on the spray bar if it is a big turbo this is not used as the gasket seals it, if small turbo check the oil pick up pipe gasket for leaks and that the bolts arent bottoming out on the pump causing the gasket not to seel.

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Mark, i checked that when it went back together, i've seen one before with that problem where someone tightened 1 bolt all the way the tightened the second bolt causing the pump to sit crooked
i have a new pump now so i'll fit that the weekend with a new pickup pipe & gasket etc....


thanks everyone
Old 12-04-2007, 12:11 PM
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Is it possible that the oil pick up pipe could be particially blocked ? has the engine been rebuilt at some point and some sealent got into the oil and blocked the strainer / pick up pipe ?
Old 12-04-2007, 01:43 PM
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so will the engine be ok now once the pump problem is rectified or will there have been a bit of wear due to this low oil pressure thats guz has experianced at idle?


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