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the towers are a side issue here, i think th big thing people need to concentrate on is the pentagon attack first
once that is cleared up you will either have more of less peole intrested in the other planes/hijackings depending on what you find
if no one can confirm who shot kennedy all these years later, i'm sure everyone who was involved will be history before anything is actually done
once that is cleared up you will either have more of less peole intrested in the other planes/hijackings depending on what you find
if no one can confirm who shot kennedy all these years later, i'm sure everyone who was involved will be history before anything is actually done
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Originally Posted by dojj
the towers are a side issue here, i think th big thing people need to concentrate on is the pentagon attack first
once that is cleared up you will either have more of less peole intrested in the other planes/hijackings depending on what you find
if no one can confirm who shot kennedy all these years later, i'm sure everyone who was involved will be history before anything is actually done
once that is cleared up you will either have more of less peole intrested in the other planes/hijackings depending on what you find
if no one can confirm who shot kennedy all these years later, i'm sure everyone who was involved will be history before anything is actually done
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
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Originally Posted by Ratty
Originally Posted by dojj
the towers are a side issue here, i think th big thing people need to concentrate on is the pentagon attack first
once that is cleared up you will either have more of less peole intrested in the other planes/hijackings depending on what you find
if no one can confirm who shot kennedy all these years later, i'm sure everyone who was involved will be history before anything is actually done
once that is cleared up you will either have more of less peole intrested in the other planes/hijackings depending on what you find
if no one can confirm who shot kennedy all these years later, i'm sure everyone who was involved will be history before anything is actually done
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
With a lot of information more than i have ever read about what happened at the Pentagon before..
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Originally Posted by Ratty
There is plenty of evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
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It does a half decent job. Only one set of landing gear though (should be 3 surely?), only one engine. They also reference the Purdue animation, which as I mentioned earleir, has the engines simply "melting" into the building. Same with the wings.
Here's another point to think about. The hole in the Pentagon, is on the ground floor. Right on the ground. Now the centre of the fuselage of a 7x7, is going to be at least 15 ft in the air, because of the height needed for the engines under the wings. So how is the hole not on the second floor?
And one other thing, which I can pretty much guarantee, most of you will not have heard of........
Some independent researchers I know of, have managed to get through FOIA requests, BOTH the black box data, AND the flight data recorder information. BOTH these pieces of information, show the plane coming in at the wrong angle, so it cannot of hit any lightpoles at all. It's a difference of about 20 degrees on the approach path, and puts it on the other side of the Citgo petrol station.
It also shows the plane at 273 feet above the Pentagon, with two seconds to go to impact. The last two seconds of data for the FDR are missing, and the last second of the black box information.
So where does that leave us? Did the NTSB fake the data? Unlikely given the millions of cells of information recorded by the FDR. Is the Official Conspiracy Theory Incorrect?
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Ramblings.....
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What do you want, onboard video footage of the crash?
Is multiple eye witness accounts and the actual plane wreckage and crash site not enough?
Your wild allegations and claims of having inside information just make you look rediculous
All the evidence is there for what happened and the only question that needs to be answered is
How do we stop it from happening again?
The 911 crashes are unprecidented so will never have the same crash site characteristics as a normal plane crash, most pilots dont go full throttle into the ground at 500mph
Planes are made of lightweight materials including the engines and landing gear, what the hell do you think will happend to these materials if you shash them into solid concrete at 500mph
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Please guys don't encourage Graham by questioning his conspiracy theories, you are wasting your fingernails. He does not even believe that the face staring back at him in the mirror is himself .................. he believes he was abducted and his head was stolen by aliens
Disrespectful to the dead.................
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Disrespectful to the dead.................
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this program was absolute bullshit
i've watched and looked in to the conspiracies and i too believe that there is so much that we are not being told
in my opinion, nothing we ever see on government controlled tv will allow the truth to be told
and the program on tuesday was complete proof of this, all it did was try and defend itself against the conspiracy theories, and not even convincingly
anyways think about it... if there was one power in the world that could cover anything up, it would be the American/British Government wouldn't it
i've watched and looked in to the conspiracies and i too believe that there is so much that we are not being told
in my opinion, nothing we ever see on government controlled tv will allow the truth to be told
and the program on tuesday was complete proof of this, all it did was try and defend itself against the conspiracy theories, and not even convincingly
anyways think about it... if there was one power in the world that could cover anything up, it would be the American/British Government wouldn't it
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Originally Posted by dojj
if no one can confirm who shot kennedy all these years later, i'm sure everyone who was involved will be history before anything is actually done
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look into it, it has a lot to do with research for zero point energy and space travel
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Originally Posted by Thrush
I missed the programme (was out, forgot to set timer) but Dojj mentioning the "controlled explosion" of the towers - always makes me chuckle when people mention this, or when they claim that the towers were demolished in a controlled explosion....
1) Do you know how long it takes to set up a controlled explosion on a building the size of the WTC? Not to mention there were TWO towers?!?! A long fucking time, thats how long...
2) Do you know how much of an expert you have to be to bring down a single tower of that size? Not to mention BOTH towers? You would have to be a fucking good expert, and have a crew of fucking good experts aswell...
3) DO you really think that if a crew of experts had been setting up in preperation of a controlled explosion on both towers, that NO ONE in the ENTIRE world would have noticed? Or that there wasn't a single leak about it? Fuck me, you can't release a new album of your band without being leaked on the net in advance, and Britney Spears can't go to a nightclub without it being posted on the net - do you really think that an operation on this scale, which would mean that the US Government is deliberately intending to kill it's own civilians, that NO MENTION of it AT ALL, not even one raised "hmm, wonder what those people carriny thousands of metres of cable and tonnes of explosives are doing drilling holes in the walls of my office building?" eyebrow?????/
I think not
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it would take about two weeks to plant the right amount of explosives
for the two weeks prior to the "terrorist attack" security and the bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the building
a couple of weeks before the incident two (yes two) insurance policies were taken out on the twin towers solely against terrorist attacks
and who was in charge of security of the twin towers? one of bush's relatives
ooh, dont you find it strange that the towers were alse built to withstand being hit by a plane, yet still they fell
i wont go on, it just pisses me off that so many people aren't open minded enough to at least ask questions
the conspiracies aren't there to tell you that what they say is the truth, but it does show that there are questions that are unanswered, and things that dont make sense
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Interesting how anyone who doesn't swallow 'the party line' is a conspiracy theorist....
Perhaps all those above are too busy getting in line for their 'ID' cards/
strange how mine seems to have what looks suspiciously like an aerial
on the back of it/just like the new passports really.
Still 'if you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to fear' etc etc ZZZZZZZZZ
Perhaps all those above are too busy getting in line for their 'ID' cards/
strange how mine seems to have what looks suspiciously like an aerial
on the back of it/just like the new passports really.
Still 'if you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to fear' etc etc ZZZZZZZZZ
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Originally Posted by dojj
i watched the first half hour and then had to other stuff, but the pentagon one was the biggest surprise
the show you a plane
then the hole
and there is no way it could have been a plane hitting it
100 tones doing 500 mph is going to do a bit more damage than knock a 20 foot hole in the wall ain't it
the show you a plane
then the hole
and there is no way it could have been a plane hitting it
100 tones doing 500 mph is going to do a bit more damage than knock a 20 foot hole in the wall ain't it
Did you not see the independant computer modelling they did..... and then the CTs refuting it, claiming that the computer animation company must have been bought off by the goverment!
If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable.....
a 124 foot wide plane doesn't make a 20 foothole in the side of a building, no matter how hevily fortified it is
The hole was measured at 75'.
The 12' or 20' hole that the CTists like to trot out is the EXIT hole on the the other side of one of the rings.
It really IS that simple.
You only have to watch Loose Change to see how bad their research is.
e.g. Loose Change suggests that it was done plane that hit the Pentagon because the engine parts found don't look like Pratt and Whitney engine parts from a 757. That is the basis for the whole pentagon theory.
However, what they don't tell you, is that the pentagon 757 was running Rolls Royce engines. Of course, when directed to Rolls Royce, they told them that they couldn't identify the parts..... and the makers of Loose Change use that as conclusive proof that it must have been a drone or missile.
What they don't tell you AGAIN is that they contacted a small RR factory that deals with light aircraft, and has no experience with the larger engines. Note, they didn't contact the factory where 757 engines are made...... because that's how you seek fo the truth. You ignore the facts that don't agree with you theory!
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
The hole was measured at 75'.
The 12' or 20' hole that the CTists like to trot out is the EXIT hole on the the other side of one of the rings.
It really IS that simple.
The 12' or 20' hole that the CTists like to trot out is the EXIT hole on the the other side of one of the rings.
It really IS that simple.
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And ref the 6.9 miles thing..... not something cooked up by the "theorists", but by the media?
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...b/s_12967.html
A southeasterly wind and a 3-year-old’s keen eye brought the crash of United Airlines Flight 93 home to a family in tiny New Baltimore borough, more than eight miles from the Somerset County crash site.
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Rich
For someone that doesnt believe in the CT's versions, you seem like you done even more homework and digging than anyone lol
Cant say I believe evrything that is said EITHERWAY
BUT a couple of questions surely, like both already said here are surely about the way it was allowed to happen, ie the intelligence, surely they would have had some sort of idea
And everyone saying of course the engines and planes would just melt hitting a concrete wall at 500 mph, well 1 nothing just disapears, it changes into summit else, there is X ammount of metal, even when molten it will cool and leave lumps of metal, the concrete didnt melt so didnt absorb the metal, it has to be somewhere
And along the same lines, IF it could just "fail to exist" anymore as metal, how come human bodies survived, surely the heat would have "disappeared"
the bodies as well
Find it trully hard to believe they would be able to wire the towers with explosives etc, but do believe there sumit not 100% above board
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For someone that doesnt believe in the CT's versions, you seem like you done even more homework and digging than anyone lol
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Cant say I believe evrything that is said EITHERWAY
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BUT a couple of questions surely, like both already said here are surely about the way it was allowed to happen, ie the intelligence, surely they would have had some sort of idea
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And everyone saying of course the engines and planes would just melt hitting a concrete wall at 500 mph, well 1 nothing just disapears, it changes into summit else, there is X ammount of metal, even when molten it will cool and leave lumps of metal, the concrete didnt melt so didnt absorb the metal, it has to be somewhere
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And along the same lines, IF it could just "fail to exist" anymore as metal, how come human bodies survived, surely the heat would have "disappeared"
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Find it trully hard to believe they would be able to wire the towers with explosives etc, but do believe there sumit not 100% above board
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here's the series producer Guy Smith, on alex Jones' show on Monday. He might as well be a mop, the floor was wiped with him.
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/aud..._alexjones.mp3
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/aud..._alexjones.mp3
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Originally Posted by AdamB
answers:
it would take about two weeks to plant the right amount of explosives
for the two weeks prior to the "terrorist attack" security and the bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the building
it would take about two weeks to plant the right amount of explosives
for the two weeks prior to the "terrorist attack" security and the bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the building
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Originally Posted by AdamB
a couple of weeks before the incident two (yes two) insurance policies were taken out on the twin towers solely against terrorist attacks
and who was in charge of security of the twin towers? one of bush's relatives
and who was in charge of security of the twin towers? one of bush's relatives
Originally Posted by AdamB
ooh, dont you find it strange that the towers were alse built to withstand being hit by a plane, yet still they fell
Originally Posted by AdamB
i wont go on, it just pisses me off that so many people aren't open minded enough to at least ask questions
the conspiracies aren't there to tell you that what they say is the truth, but it does show that there are questions that are unanswered, and things that dont make sense
the conspiracies aren't there to tell you that what they say is the truth, but it does show that there are questions that are unanswered, and things that dont make sense
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And everyone saying of course the engines and planes would just melt hitting a concrete wall at 500 mph, well 1 nothing just disapears, it changes into summit else, there is X ammount of metal, even when molten it will cool and leave lumps of metal, the concrete didnt melt so didnt absorb the metal, it has to be somewhere
And along the same lines, IF it could just "fail to exist" anymore as metal, how come human bodies survived, surely the heat would have "disappeared"
the bodies as well ![Confused](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
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And along the same lines, IF it could just "fail to exist" anymore as metal, how come human bodies survived, surely the heat would have "disappeared"
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Just cos not many recogonisable plane parts are in the pictures does not mean it vanished, most of it will have been inside the building ie out of sight
Had enough of this drivel now as its obvious that some aint intrested in the blindingly obvious
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Steve,
The irony is, I'm the most open minded person you could ever hope to meet!
I believe that there was far more to the JFK incident than the "official truth" would have you believe, so I'm not even anti-conspiracy theory!
I also spent 5 years at Uni studying history and historical research, and my biggest complaint with the CT is the way that the theorists ignore standard practice and procedure when approaching evidence and source material.
For example, you HAVE to question the accuracy of a documentary that use independant press that has an agenda to back up its own theories.
It's also the sheer arrogance of CTists that somehow they know better. Graham's even done it himself above, where he says that the towers fell in identical ways, even though the ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE shows the top part of the South Tower falling at an angle:
Picture on the left is from Loose Change. Picture on the right is not. Easy enough to manipulate events and timeframe to make things appear as they are not:
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I actually watched Loose Change , wanting to believe like most, that there was a conspiracy, because the bottom line is, conspiracies are exciting, and offer the believer an opportunity for expansion of ego.
I would simply want the evidence behind the theories to stand up to scrutiny in the traditional sense. If you were to get the makers of Loose Change into any democratic open court in the world, they would be torn to shreds for over-dependance on circumstantial eveidence, lack of evidence in some cases, and lies in others.
I want qualified source material, and experts that are experts. The fact that Loose Change relies on charlatans, and liars to support its house of cards does them no favours at all.
I would also wish CTists were open minded enough to admit that they were wrong where it has been proven........ but you can see Graham's attitude for yourself. The irony is that he was openly distributing these videos without even ascertaining their credibility - now which person looks like the deluded, brainwashed one?
The irony is, I'm the most open minded person you could ever hope to meet!
I believe that there was far more to the JFK incident than the "official truth" would have you believe, so I'm not even anti-conspiracy theory!
I also spent 5 years at Uni studying history and historical research, and my biggest complaint with the CT is the way that the theorists ignore standard practice and procedure when approaching evidence and source material.
For example, you HAVE to question the accuracy of a documentary that use independant press that has an agenda to back up its own theories.
It's also the sheer arrogance of CTists that somehow they know better. Graham's even done it himself above, where he says that the towers fell in identical ways, even though the ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE shows the top part of the South Tower falling at an angle:
Picture on the left is from Loose Change. Picture on the right is not. Easy enough to manipulate events and timeframe to make things appear as they are not:
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I actually watched Loose Change , wanting to believe like most, that there was a conspiracy, because the bottom line is, conspiracies are exciting, and offer the believer an opportunity for expansion of ego.
I would simply want the evidence behind the theories to stand up to scrutiny in the traditional sense. If you were to get the makers of Loose Change into any democratic open court in the world, they would be torn to shreds for over-dependance on circumstantial eveidence, lack of evidence in some cases, and lies in others.
I want qualified source material, and experts that are experts. The fact that Loose Change relies on charlatans, and liars to support its house of cards does them no favours at all.
I would also wish CTists were open minded enough to admit that they were wrong where it has been proven........ but you can see Graham's attitude for yourself. The irony is that he was openly distributing these videos without even ascertaining their credibility - now which person looks like the deluded, brainwashed one?
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And yet not one of the thousands of people working in the 3 buildings saw or heard anything
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Originally Posted by Ratty
It was designed to withstand much smaller planes with less fuel than a 757
I'm not defending the CT'ists here, I just think people answering like you, giving the impression you know what happened goes a long way to making the people asking the questions look crazy.
I'm just resigned to fact we'll never 100% know what happened so waste anymore time arguing about it, they're only Americans after all.
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With the level of grammar on this board, no.
However, if you didn't mean that, I stand corrected. I still think you're wrong that people shouldn't debate issues, simply because the issue happened on American soil. your xenophobia sort of highlights why you're so keen to agree with the theories....
However, if you didn't mean that, I stand corrected. I still think you're wrong that people shouldn't debate issues, simply because the issue happened on American soil. your xenophobia sort of highlights why you're so keen to agree with the theories....
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Which theories? I only agree with my own
I'm only xenophobic about America because they want to drag us down with them
My original comment was meant as in "they're only Americans, let them get on with it" meaning the arguing and resulting invading.
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I'm only xenophobic about America because they want to drag us down with them
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My original comment was meant as in "they're only Americans, let them get on with it" meaning the arguing and resulting invading.
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Originally Posted by Matt J
There was something likey 20 storey's of the building underground, perhaps they only had to rig these for it to come down.
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The 757 and 707 are very nearly identical in dimensions, average cruise speed and fuel load.
I'm not defending the CT'ists here, I just think people answering like you, giving the impression you know what happened goes a long way to making the people asking the questions look crazy.
I'm just resigned to fact we'll never 100% know what happened so waste anymore time arguing about it, they're only Americans after all.
I'm not defending the CT'ists here, I just think people answering like you, giving the impression you know what happened goes a long way to making the people asking the questions look crazy.
I'm just resigned to fact we'll never 100% know what happened so waste anymore time arguing about it, they're only Americans after all.
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Well,
I offered Graham a while ago when he was pedalling this shit Ł25k if he could prove that the planes that hit the WTC or the Pentagon were NOT real bona fide commercial aircraft. He stated that they were remote controlled drones filled with explosives (thermobaric bombs) GUFFAW.............
Graham,
If you can prove this diaroheoa, you can have my house(s), my cars (4) you can even have my wife and daughters and the Ł25k....................
I'm still waiting.............................
I offered Graham a while ago when he was pedalling this shit Ł25k if he could prove that the planes that hit the WTC or the Pentagon were NOT real bona fide commercial aircraft. He stated that they were remote controlled drones filled with explosives (thermobaric bombs) GUFFAW.............
Graham,
If you can prove this diaroheoa, you can have my house(s), my cars (4) you can even have my wife and daughters and the Ł25k....................
I'm still waiting.............................
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Here's another point to think about. The hole in the Pentagon, is on the ground floor. Right on the ground. Now the centre of the fuselage of a 7x7, is going to be at least 15 ft in the air, because of the height needed for the engines under the wings. So how is the hole not on the second floor?
then Adam B,you say the towers were designed to be hit by a plane and stand?well the titanic was supposed to be unsinkable,but guess what!
just accept that what happened,happened. the amount of time and money and personnel willing to NOT say anything or feel remorse for killing hundreds of people to be in on it is ridiculous,even if bush himself was head of security do you think he would turn a blind eye to killing all these people?and all the securoty staff there would just wave and smile to hundreds of people that they KNEW were being sent to certain death by going to work?and NOONE would say anything?
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would YOU do it?could you?could you find enough like minded sadist experts in all of their fields to accomplish this?the answer probably is a 2 letter word beginning with n and ending with o
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Graham,
If you can prove this diaroheoa, you can have my house(s), my cars (4) you can even have my wife and daughters and the Ł25k....................
I'm still waiting.............................
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If you can prove this diaroheoa, you can have my house(s), my cars (4) you can even have my wife and daughters and the Ł25k....................
I'm still waiting.............................
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PON, the reason I distributed Loose Change, was not to "proove outright" anything, but a) show that the Official Conspiracy Theory was full of lies, omissions and distortions, and b) because it was about the only half decent 911 movie about at the time, with no copyright, and free distribution encouraged.
I never stated anywhere that LC was 100% accurate, and had no errors. I now distribute 911 mysteries if anyone wants one.
As I keep saying, their are far more docs available now, more accurate, and better presented. Loose Change, is, frankly old news at the moment.
Even supporters of the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory), are conspiracy theorists themselves. The event (911), was a conspiracy by definition, (a plan by 2 or more people to harm others), and the Official Version, is a theory of what happened.
So we're ALL conspiracy theorists by definition.
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Even though you haven't really faced any of the previously posted information, lets throw a couple of other things into the mix......
Why was there "rivers" of molten metal below the Towers, and extreme temperatures six weeks after the collapse.
Why was Atta wired $100,000 by the ISI (Pakistani Intelligence Service), shortly before 911?
Originally Posted by big_wig_074
so an aircraft at max chat hitting the floor and probably pulling back to get the correct angle of attack,the fuselage would,MATTER OF FACT, hit the ground!
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The buildings did withstand the impact of the planes. What brought them down was the heat frpm the impact and resulting fires eventually melted the supporting ironwork for what was above. That collapsed, then the momentum of that brought everything else down.
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I am not going to reply with any thing intelegent as I think Mr Pon is covering my thoughts to the tee.
lets just put it this way, Graham you went for a shit today you put the seat down and pushed, you wiped your arse and flushed. but you did not see the shit as fucked off down the U bend. But after thinking about it you thought hmmm I did not see that shit so I must not have shit.
You and all the people who think its was a inside job are total and utter fuck wits of the highest degree. A donkey trying to play chess on acid has more logic than you people.
lets just put it this way, Graham you went for a shit today you put the seat down and pushed, you wiped your arse and flushed. but you did not see the shit as fucked off down the U bend. But after thinking about it you thought hmmm I did not see that shit so I must not have shit.
You and all the people who think its was a inside job are total and utter fuck wits of the highest degree. A donkey trying to play chess on acid has more logic than you people.
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it wasn't the titanic fuckwit! do some fucking research! all through history the "super-powers" have done things and then covered it up
Originally Posted by Graham S1
then Adam B,you say the towers were designed to be hit by a plane and stand?well the titanic was supposed to be unsinkable,but guess what!
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Originally Posted by Billy Sasterd
Graham,
If you can prove this diaroheoa, you can have my house(s), my cars (4) you can even have my wife and daughters and the Ł25k....................
I'm still waiting.............................
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If you can prove this diaroheoa, you can have my house(s), my cars (4) you can even have my wife and daughters and the Ł25k....................
I'm still waiting.............................
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Make an outrageous statement, then ask people to disprove it. If someone states that there are fairies living at the bottom of their garden, it is up to them to prove it is it not????
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Graham,
Please contact Jimmy Wanker, and tell him that I had Sunday Lunch at my home with some aliens from the planet Neptune. We had a sweet Dodo pate, followed by Pterodactil nest soup, then roast Brontosaurus, washed down with a nice Chiante.
If he would like to prove ME wrong, he can have all my worldly possessions
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Oh, by the way, I was surprised that they shut your thread down on the RSOC .................... They usually like to leave stuff up there that disrespects me ................ censorship by selective moderating
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Nice try tho' ................ you will be invited and embraced into the inner circle of the dark side if you carry on
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Making money, disrespecting the dead ................... This CT stuff is almost as insidious as child porn
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Come on Graham!
You going to tell us that there's something shady about Avery and his cronies getting a healthy dose of reality?
Try this - helps explain away that dross video you've been distributing:
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
You going to tell us that there's something shady about Avery and his cronies getting a healthy dose of reality?
Try this - helps explain away that dross video you've been distributing:
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
Sadly the damage is already done. Thanks to the exposure such a laughable documentary like LC it's only going to serve to discredit CT theorists in general. Much in the same way Oliver Stones JFK did to the Kennedy Assassination and the Fox special into the moon landing conspiracy theory.
Graham S1 and Matt J sadly you have to accept that you have served a large part in promoting what is actually misinformation and only served to make yourselves look less credible sources of information on this subject.
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
I also spent 5 years at Uni studying history and historical research, and my biggest complaint with the CT is the way that the theorists ignore standard practice and procedure when approaching evidence and source material.
For example, you HAVE to question the accuracy of a documentary that use independant press that has an agenda to back up its own theories.
For example, you HAVE to question the accuracy of a documentary that use independant press that has an agenda to back up its own theories.
I find that the most annoying thing about people creating conspiracy theories, because with some of them I think that people may be onto something but then they completely ruin it (and any subsequent investigation) by digging up unsubstantiated evidence and hearsay. If only they could be more like Scully and less like Mulder!
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
I also spent 5 years at Uni studying history and historical research, and my biggest complaint with the CT is the way that the theorists ignore standard practice and procedure when approaching evidence and source material.
For example, you HAVE to question the accuracy of a documentary that use independant press that has an agenda to back up its own theories.
For example, you HAVE to question the accuracy of a documentary that use independant press that has an agenda to back up its own theories.
I find that the most annoying thing about people creating conspiracy theories, because with some of them I think that people may be onto something but then they completely ruin it (and any subsequent investigation) by digging up unsubstantiated evidence and hearsay. If only they could be more like Scully and less like Mulder!
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When I was a kid I used to go to the library with my parents pretty much every week. I was completely fascinated with the conspiracies and UFO books they had. I really wanted to find some genuinely interesting stuff but even at that age I knew what I was looking at was just speculation and attention seeking.
Danny Wallace did an excellent episode of Conspiracy where he summed up the whole CT world really well. Basically he concluded, like a lot of us I think, that the real conspiracies in action are those of the theorists themselves and they are duping innocent people into believing their claims only to propagate their own agenda which is often fame and money. It's these guys that are consciously misleading people, using people, trying to bury evidence and changing their stories.
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Originally Posted by timrud
The buildings did withstand the impact of the planes. What brought them down was the heat frpm the impact and resulting fires eventually melted the supporting ironwork for what was above. That collapsed, then the momentum of that brought everything else down.
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lets just put it this way, Graham you went for a shit today you put the seat down and pushed, you wiped your arse and flushed. but you did not see the shit as fucked off down the U bend. But after thinking about it you thought hmmm I did not see that shit so I must not have shit.
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You and all the people who think its was a inside job are total and utter fuck wits of the highest degree.
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If you can prove this diaroheoa, you can have my house(s), my cars (4) you can even have my wife and daughters and the Ł25k....................
Originally Posted by Billy Sasterd
I have seen your badly photoshopped and fireworked "evidence". It is still sh!te I'm afraid
Originally Posted by Billy Sasterd
If he would like to prove ME wrong, he can have all my worldly possessions
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Originally Posted by Billy Sasterd
Making money, disrespecting the dead ................... This CT stuff is almost as insidious as child porn
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Please find me all these relatives that are moaning about "conspiracy theories". Far from disrepecting the dead mate. I'm helping the ones that are STILL dying from 911. In both New York and Iraq.
Look up how many first responders are getting very ill, and dying from the shit they inhaled in the days following 9/11. The city authorities told them the air was safe to breathe.
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Graham S1 and Matt J sadly you have to accept that you have served a large part in promoting what is actually misinformation and only served to make yourselves look less credible sources of information on this subject.
Originally Posted by MWF
Danny Wallace did an excellent episode of Conspiracy where he summed up the whole CT world really well.
Originally Posted by RichardPON
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Originally Posted by Billy Sasterd
He stated that they were remote controlled drones filled with explosives (thermobaric bombs) GUFFAW.............
And that about sums it up. You all think that I "beleive" ALL of these "theories", or every word that Loose Change says. I haven't in any post, stated any of them as being fact. Most of the time I'm asking questions. And people rarely reply back with anything but insults. I'd bet most of you haven't even read the 9/11 Comission Report.
9/11 could be an inside job.
It could have been that an outside influence "hi-jacked" the war games going on that day.
It could be that the US multi billion dollar defence system is useless, along with their intelligence agencies.
Does anyone want to debate about the announcement of $2.3 TRILLION dollars missing from Pentagon budgets, announced on Sept 10th?
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edit: BTW the Flight Data recorder information, isn't "super secret", it's being dissected on a public forum. Jump over here, and these guys they're nits.
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Graham S1 and Matt J sadly you have to accept that you have served a large part in promoting what is actually misinformation and only served to make yourselves look less credible sources of information on this subject.
I'd hardly call that peddling and agenda.
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Originally Posted by Graham S1
Originally Posted by timrud
The buildings did withstand the impact of the planes. What brought them down was the heat frpm the impact and resulting fires eventually melted the supporting ironwork for what was above. That collapsed, then the momentum of that brought everything else down.
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What do you mean?
That heat wouldn't of weakend the structure?
Just look at any steel framed building after its been on fire, they buckle to fuck.
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