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Old 30-01-2007 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by macker
I Will ask my mate what he fitted as im unsure, im no mechanic.
Dont patronise me about my personal curcumstances mate.
THe car basically fucked up in the 1st week of ownership, you offered money straight away,250.00 without even questioning the problems. is that not a sign of guilt

You only questioned it when i told you that Baldy Butch PM`d me on here & told me he would fully rebuild it for 1,300 quid

Okay i could of had it done with him, but knew my friend would do it cheaper
& thats what i told you.
I had the car 9 weeks & it was parked up for bloody 6 of them due to no fault of mine.
Yes ive just sold the car, but as you stated you dont want to know my personal curcumstances, but thats wgere the bulk of the money has gone

so your mate never ever explained what he had fitted and why something had broken?surely you must have been curious?
you rang me and told me about the valves/piston issue-i offered you £250 first and then you came back to me and said you wanted more-your mrs works for a solicitors and the solicitor had told you they would take me to court for you and told you to get 3 expensive quotes for engine rebuilds.that is what you fired at me which was why rather than it get dirty i offered you £500-never any admission of guilt.it was a gesture.

this is the first i have heard of butch quoting the job.

surely if i sold you a broken car it would not have got you home to wrexham from here.

I GAVE YOU £500 TOWARDS AN ENGINE REBUILD AND IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT.THAT IS THE SIMPLE FACT
Old 30-01-2007 | 02:28 PM
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How did you drop the price to accomodate me
Ian had that car for under 6k, he did the work on it not you < but you added 400 quid to price 6395.00
Id payed 5400 for the Saph, changed the Cambelt ,tensioner, New expansion tank, stripped the inlet & fitted new Cometic gaskets, all this cost me 300.00
I even bought std springs for it as i informed you that the car was too low, did i not. I then give you 800.00 Cash towards the 3door,
So dont you dare say you dropped the price to accomodate me.
Ive still got your add off e-bay stating this is on of the nicests Saphs you seen in years.
Dont make it out you done me any favours you had a bloody good car off me & a wad of cash

Thats it, no more post what you fucking like, but you never did me any favours, you bit my hand off when you saw my Saph & you fucking know it MATE
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Just do the right thing and give Jay his money back. He's been honest, fair and straight with you so that's the least you can do.
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He could have approached me over this & not air it on here, hed did exactly the saMe when i had the problem with the car.

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Old 30-01-2007 | 02:44 PM
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Just do the right thing and give Jay his money back. He's been honest, fair and straight with you so that's the least you can do.

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im sure if i hadnt have offered you the £500 you would have aired it on here.

and why are you going on about prices of the cars now.i sold it for what wanted for it to both you and ian
when i sold it to ian it had no mot
when i sold it to you it had an mot and other bits done by ian

you chose to buy the fuckin car-i told you i wanted £1000 and your car-you said you didnt have the money so i let you have iot for £800 and your car-if your sapphire was so good why didnt you fuckin keep it....because you wanted the 3 door!

after what you have just pm'd me i know youre not going to give me any of my money back-i certainly dont want £1 per week!

you know what you did was morally wrong-its been shown on here that people think you are wrong-you gave your side and i gave mine.
i have asked you to give me £250 back out of the money you have just got from the sale of the car-you have said no.

im a firm believer in the saying"what comes around-goes around"

just glad im not the crazy idiot i used to be any more
Old 30-01-2007 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fordsportjay
he has now sold the car and doesnt really want to talk to me about where my money has gone.
Think that's your answer to why he didn't approach you and posted it on here. To be fair to Jay - he did not do the naming and shaming and was against doing so.
Old 30-01-2007 | 02:49 PM
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Old 30-01-2007 | 02:52 PM
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totally off topic but i wanted that 3 door
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i have spent way too long on here and got fuck all done today.

thanks to evryone for their opinions and to macker for telling his side of things.
i know i havent disgraced myself and have done nothing wrong.i am pissed that i doubt i will see a penny back for my troubles but thats life.
another lesson learned!

i genuinely feel for macker as he has had a shit time by the sound of things and it sounds like it may get worse.but his circumstances were not my fault. i had to get it off my chest-my mrs said just forget about it,but it was eating me inside-i had done a good deed and in my eyes had been shit on-maybe not intentionally but shit on nevertheless.

had i known i was only paying for a head gasket or maybe even 2 valves i would have done the job myself this is where i get annoyed!
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i have asked for £200 back and am waiting for reply.........
Old 30-01-2007 | 07:01 PM
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what pisses me off this thread makes me out that i cant rebuild engines properley
that head was torqued down correctly and in the correct sequence
useing new bolts and new grp A headgasket

i did replace the leads and dizzy cap and rotar arm at the same time
and car run mint and hit 140 no problem down the m6 with no missfire ,no overheating no noises

yes the car did suffer from piston slap which jsy told me about before i bought it off him ,and i beleive he told you the same aswell

cant understand why if the car was driven normal the valves hit
that i cant get my head round
as the engineer who skimmed the head said it was fine and only took 2 though off it just too clean the surface up
Old 30-01-2007 | 07:27 PM
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ian,i think we need to see what his mate comes back with as macker doesnt seem to have a clue what was wrong with it now.i personally dont think the valve/piston issue originally claimed caused the fault.there is something amiss somewhere.

i cannot see how suddenly 2 valves can hit a piston and the car break down.if that is the case what caused the valve to hit the head????
if only the valves were replaced why hasnt it happened again.it doesnt make sense.if the cam had snapped or the timing belt slipped then i can understand it-but none of this has happened.

its very confusing now and i wish i hadnt been moving house and gone to see the car when it was broken as i could have answered many of my own questions.

unfortunately i dont think we will ever get to the bottom of this completely
Old 30-01-2007 | 08:40 PM
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On a totaly Impartial, not getting involved in who's right/wrong stance,

From a number of YB engines I have stripped down and looked at, especially the older 2WD engines, valve contact with pistons is a fairly common occurance, especially when heads have seen a bit of skimming, as this reduces the already fairly close valve to piston gap., Especially on a std engine. Cosworth don't reccomend re-using a head under 138.6mm depth, remembering a starting depth is 139mm. Loads of cars have heads under this , and most probably get away with it if they are not revved to 7500RPM or are low comp built.

Quite often you see little half moons where the valves have kissed the pistons and left an impression, but not actually bent the valve.

This damage might have been seen on removing the head an assumed to be a problem, BUT if the head was removed for this problem, there must have been a leak down test and a compression test carried out to diagnose the fault? A common sign on very slightly bent valves is perfect running until the car is under load and being revved, and the valves don't quite seal %100 and cause a misfire not unlike a ignition style misfire......

As said, I know NOTHING about the specfics in this instance just trying to find out what might have happened mechanicaly
Old 30-01-2007 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
On a totaly Impartial, not getting involved in who's right/wrong stance,

From a number of YB engines I have stripped down and looked at, especially the older 2WD engines, valve contact with pistons is a fairly common occurance, especially when heads have seen a bit of skimming, as this reduces the already fairly close valve to piston gap., Especially on a std engine. Cosworth don't reccomend re-using a head under 138.6mm depth, remembering a starting depth is 139mm. Loads of cars have heads under this , and most probably get away with it if they are not revved to 7500RPM or are low comp built.

Quite often you see little half moons where the valves have kissed the pistons and left an impression, but not actually bent the valve.

This damage might have been seen on removing the head an assumed to be a problem, BUT if the head was removed for this problem, there must have been a leak down test and a compression test carried out to diagnose the fault? A common sign on very slightly bent valves is perfect running until the car is under load and being revved, and the valves don't quite seal %100 and cause a misfire not unlike a ignition style misfire......

As said, I know NOTHING about the specfics in this instance just trying to find out what might have happened mechanicaly
Perfect reply

I feel that they took the head of and thought that the small marks in the pistons was serious , and after finding out it isnt they simply just refitted the head

Jay
At least you can sleep at nights mate
Old 30-01-2007 | 09:32 PM
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i'm not getting into who's right or wrong either, but from what i see.

Jay is a trader who has a very very good name in the north west for dealing in top quality cars, my friend dealt him on a saphire cosworth about a month ago and couldent of asked for better service and the car was top quality. never heard of jay selling a bad car or ripping anybody off. he is always at the RS meet of a wednesday and is a genuine petrol head from what i can gather and not a scammer or a money grabber.

Once that car left jay's garage it wasnt his problem IMO, jsut a quick question.

If jay used your sapphire that you traded in and he had similar problems that you supposedly had with the 3 door would you have given jay 500 quid towards the work?
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Surely a car is sold as seen.
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ok no one can say who is right or wrong on this thread just reading things as no one other than Jay and Steve know the truth....but from reading the post i think you owe Jay some money steve...and imo he shouldnt have even handed any over anyways...

I was in this sort of position with my bike last year and i know how upsetting and maddening it can be.
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
On a totaly Impartial, not getting involved in who's right/wrong stance,

From a number of YB engines I have stripped down and looked at, especially the older 2WD engines, valve contact with pistons is a fairly common occurance, especially when heads have seen a bit of skimming, as this reduces the already fairly close valve to piston gap., Especially on a std engine. Cosworth don't reccomend re-using a head under 138.6mm depth, remembering a starting depth is 139mm. Loads of cars have heads under this , and most probably get away with it if they are not revved to 7500RPM or are low comp built.

Quite often you see little half moons where the valves have kissed the pistons and left an impression, but not actually bent the valve.

This damage might have been seen on removing the head an assumed to be a problem, BUT if the head was removed for this problem, there must have been a leak down test and a compression test carried out to diagnose the fault? A common sign on very slightly bent valves is perfect running until the car is under load and being revved, and the valves don't quite seal %100 and cause a misfire not unlike a ignition style misfire......

As said, I know NOTHING about the specfics in this instance just trying to find out what might have happened mechanicaly

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM THINKING HAS HAPPENED.HE SAW THE INDENTATIONS AND PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER THEN CAME SCREAMING AT ME.I DONT THINK THE REAL TRUTH WILL EVER COME OUT NOW BUT HIS MATE WHO DID THE REPAIRS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CLUED UP ON COSSIES.......
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Originally Posted by 125scouse
If jay used your sapphire that you traded in and he had similar problems that you supposedly had with the 3 door would you have given jay 500 quid towards the work?
Very good question, but I think we all can pre-empt the answer to that.
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not had a reply yet.......
Old 31-01-2007 | 02:17 PM
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[quote="rs nuts"]what pisses me off this thread makes me out that i cant rebuild engines properley


Ian mate,
Im not having a go at you. Obviously you had encountered problems after buying the car & sorted it.
When you bought the car did you check the history?. I never but the new owner did as he wanted to find out more about the Cat D issue.
In the paperwork was a small clear folder with all the tax discs. Amongst that was a breakbown invoice from around 2004 i think.
The car had had problems then & headgasket & skim was on that invoice & it stated a running fault.
What im getting at is wheather this was an ongoing problem, as i dont know.
Appologies to you if this thread makes out that you feel as if its directed at you. Its not mate.

JAY,
As to you stating you not had a reply yet!!!!!
You know why ive not replied. You posted me yesterday & my wife replied to you, informed you where id gone & then was working nights?
Did she not.
Ive just got up now & im now responding to your reply.
I will forward you 200.00 to end this dispute once & for all.
Im not happy as much as you Jay & im tired of people on here voicing there opinions & making me out to be a TWAT.
Im a GENUINE RS enthusiast & my past cars show this. All the cars ive sold ive NOT had any complaints about.
Could you please forward me your full home postal address & i will forward cheque for 200.00 recorded delivery at the end of the week.

Please can this be the end of it now.
Steve
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And thats the end of the matter? .........everyone happy now .................come on now GROUPHUG
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steve,i know there was never going to be a happy solution to all this,but i think the amount i have asked for is a very fair reflection on what eventually happened with the car.

when you had the problem with the car i did what i did as a gesture

i appreciate very much what you are prepared to do to sort out the situation between us-i know youre having a shit time(more than most other people know),and its a bad time for me to have done this but i hope you can also see my side of the argument.

we are both grown men and hope we are both mature enough to draw a line under this now.

good luck with the impending court case

jay


ps-ill pm you my address now
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Steve you are doing the right thing mate.....top man. like i say from reading this imo jay was a gent handing money over anyways... You doing the same back makes you a gent too...
I hope ya get ya probs sorted too pal
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what pisses me off this thread makes me out that i cant rebuild engines properley


Ian mate,
Im not having a go at you. Obviously you had encountered problems after buying the car & sorted it.
When you bought the car did you check the history?. I never but the new owner did as he wanted to find out more about the Cat D issue.
In the paperwork was a small clear folder with all the tax discs. Amongst that was a breakbown invoice from around 2004 i think.
The car had had problems then & headgasket & skim was on that invoice & it stated a running fault.
What im getting at is wheather this was an ongoing problem, as i dont know.
Appologies to you if this thread makes out that you feel as if its directed at you. Its not mate.

JAY,
As to you stating you not had a reply yet!!!!!
You know why ive not replied. You posted me yesterday & my wife replied to you, informed you where id gone & then was working nights?
Did she not.
Ive just got up now & im now responding to your reply.
I will forward you 200.00 to end this dispute once & for all.
Im not happy as much as you Jay & im tired of people on here voicing there opinions & making me out to be a TWAT.
Im a GENUINE RS enthusiast & my past cars show this. All the cars ive sold ive NOT had any complaints about.
Could you please forward me your full home postal address & i will forward cheque for 200.00 recorded delivery at the end of the week.

Please can this be the end of it now.
Steve

i was promised that the cheque for £200 would be posted last thursday.i have left it a week to give him a chance aqnd still have not received it.i have sent him a couple of pm's enquiring where it is but have had no reply.
now im not going to turn up at his door demanding what is owed to me,but i do want what was offered to me on here in front of everyone as a once and for all settlement of this matter.

if you read this macker and think im out of order airing this again-just answer your pm's and get that money to me.
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do you have his contact number
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Originally Posted by Rs Baz
do you have his contact number
unfortunately not
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i was going to say couldnt you try and ring him

didnt he go to court jay he may have got sent down
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I went to see alot of people when I was looking for S2, and jay was by far the most honest person! And best priced
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what rubbed it in even more was the 3 door came to our rsoc meeting last night and sounded pretty sweet with its new head gasket
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there were fook all wrong with the last new headgasket aswell

cant beleive this has not been sorted out
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Originally Posted by fordsportjay
what rubbed it in even more was the 3 door came to our rsoc meeting last night and sounded pretty sweet with its new head gasket
was it the black one? that looked one IMMACULATE 3 door and sounded rather

even when you recieve the chuque it'll probabley bounce
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Thanks again Jay for posting this again.
Ive got in touch with you to explain ive been away until today due to family reasons.
Im sorry ive not sent it yet by my family comes 1st. I gave you my word i would pay you this money.
You PM`d me Yesterday & Wednseday, but i was away

Like you said to me, i DO NOT have to pay, but as a gesture i will.
So i WILL honour my word & send you payment

Yet again you have not give me a chance to explain or sort out.
You will recieve your payment next week ok mate.
Now can you let this drop, as i dont need this shit.
You are totally out of order constantly posting this without giving me a chance to explain...Obvious you got nothing better to do than cause shit. Didnt realise you were more desperate than me for the cash!!!!!

CAN A MODERATOR PLEASE NOW DELETE THIS, AS ITS GETTING TO BE A PERSONAL VENDETTA IN MY OPINION...............
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ive sent you a pm

its not a vendetta at all macker,you just dont like peoples opinion on this matter as most of it says youre wrong and i am right to request some money back.
if you had sent the cheque when you said you would then we wouldnt be here now.if you had pm'd me and said"ive got a family crisis and will send you payment on xyz date" then that would have been fine.the fact is as far as i knew you had just chosen not to pay me,and hadnt contacted me.

with regards to me need ing the money-well i havent got it to throw away,but its the principle not the amount thats the issue.

fact is i sent you a pm on 2 occasions before posting on this post again to give you chance to reply.i dont think im out of order AND TRUST ME I HAVE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO THAN WASTE MY TIME CHASING YOU FOR £200.

you have given me your word you will pay and ill hold you to it.......
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Lets just say i didnt contact you, as i had more important things to worry about. If you really needed to contact me, you could of got my No off the guy who bought the car who was at your meet

Anyway the Gesture payment has been sent this morning to your home address.
I now hope this has put an end to this fiasco.

Also Jay, im not bothered what peoples opinions have been on here. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. What pissed me off you wern`t prepared to sort this out ammicably from the begining.
As far as i was concerned it should have never been aired on here in the 1st place.
Whats done is done. This has been a good learning curve & next time im after a Cosworth i will buy off a repuitable dealer with a good proven record.
Just so i know what im getting for my money.
Cheers
Old 17-02-2007 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by macker
next time im after a Cosworth i will buy off a repuitable dealer with a good proven record.
Just so i know what im getting for my money.
Cheers
That will be FordsportJay then!!?
Old 17-02-2007 | 12:21 PM
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Macker you should be giving him £500 back
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Originally Posted by markyd3
Originally Posted by macker
next time im after a Cosworth i will buy off a repuitable dealer with a good proven record.
Just so i know what im getting for my money.
Cheers
That will be FordsportJay then!!?
dont really apprecaiate your attempt to make me sound like im not a fair dealer,my reputation with the majority of my customers shows im doing something right.
i can understand his sour grapes and dont expect to be dealing with him again for both our sakes.
but my advice to you in the future is dont buy what was in reality a lower end of the scale car, if you expect it to be a top end car.paul north yorks has got a nice one for £8500! but dont ask him for a warranty either

you get what you pay for.........

the new owner of the 3 door didnt want to get involved in our issues so was reluctant to give me your number macker.

thank you for posting me the cheque and as soon as it clears i will ask a mod to remove this post completely.



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