Like fook would i have given him money.. whatever happened as Sold as seen... bloke was probably razzing the motor around which would have caused any half sensible car to give up without warning.

 

Also, Macker is the reason why you sold it for less due to your post on RSOC bb?

Just answer Jay truthfully and honestly and stop the sob story about your personal life! Did it need piston/valves?

 

one unlucky guy

 

It had a slight crack in back bumper, nothing bad so i knocked another 100.00. Guy said he could repair until he could get one.
No big issue mate

 

And did piston/valves need replacing?

 

P-I-S-T-O-N-S

A-N-D

V-A-L-V-E-S

 

YES THE CAR HAD 2 VALVES.
I advertised on RS site as i seen a guy after a 3 door. i pm`d him & he rung me. He viewed the car the following day, but was worried because it was CatD.
People on that site commented the different gradings of catd.
So i cleaned car & took pics & sdvertised it. He rung me back within an hour of me advertising it & a price was agreed.

No sob story Redkop mate.
The car was sold at a very good price, agree its not Jays fault my personal problems, but that is the MAIN reason i have not gave the car a full rebuild & sold the car cheaper.
Parts bough towards the rebuild were sold with the car also.

Im sorry if Jay feels that ive ripped him off, but this is not the case, and if i could afford to keep the car i would. There are a few people on here who know me & im not the kind of person to rip people off.
I appologise for all the ill feeling this has caused, but im in a position ive got to do whats best for me.

JAY,
As you quoted you never knew about assault charge only my job position.
You are right.
I did not want anybody really to know about it & the only person i initially told was the buyer.
Sorry for all this

 

I think you need to answer the question of Pistons and valves

 

Missed a gear and over revved. Takes the piss IMO Jay u are a gent of a trader from what i've heard. Had it been a private sale i'm sure you'd have done the same as the rest of us and told him to fuck off

Not many like you trading nowadays

 

DONE
HAd 2 valves piston was marked but okay. Machine work on head & valves cleaned. ( POLISHED )
Car was re-built & was okay. Obvious i had to pay for this work & cannot produce a reciept for work, as Paul is not a garage. Same as RS Nuts doing the head gasket on it at home.

Extra bits were sold with the car . Estimate around 400.00 altogether.
So nearly all the 500.00 was spent & parts included in the sale.

I know this is most probably not the end, as too many on here seem to love tearing appart people missfortunes.
Sorry to Jay if he feels ive conned him, but the car did need repair work ok i never give it a full re-build, but my reasons are explained.
I simply could not afford to have the car , hoping everything was going to be okay.

I appreciate peoples concerns both positive & negative,
Steve

 

so true
a cosworth dosn't just 'bend' a couple of valves!!!

when me & Sassy bought the 3 door off Spadge i melted a piston shortly afterwards, i was driving it very hard so i only had myself to blame, the only thing i could say to Spadge was the fact that the engine looked like it had done less miles than he thought, i didn't try tapping him for cash towards a rebuild, he had been more than honest about the car when we looked at it

 

personally as it has taken this long i do not think it has had 2 valves,but if you can prove me wrong feel free.
it clearly hasnt had a piston fitted has it?why did it have another dizzy/leads and engine sensors fitted?

macker-do you honestly hand on heart now think that i should have given you £500 towards the imminent rebuild?do you honestly think you were right to do what you have done with my money?am i going to get any back?

a simple yes/no will suffice to each.

you may feel like im kicking you while youre down,but i felt like that when i gave you back any profit i had in the car and my rent was due that week-just before xmas!when i was being told by everyone around me to fuck you off

 

Thanks mate,
You have your opinion & are free to voice it, but you havn`t a clue

 

as said earlier-macker knew about the piston slap the car had when he bought it.he was happy with it as he was going to rebuild it early this year at his cost.his mate diagnosed it after he had boufght it as little ends if i remember rightly.

i know you didnt like me putting this up but i needed to know i was right in what i was angry about-had every one said i was wrong -i would have taken this on board.

 

 

Why? is there something else you've missed out in your 12 posts on this thread. Unless u can supply some more material facts u arent making yourself look very good

 

ANSWER MY 3 QUESTIONS!

 

All we can see so far is that Macker has bought £400 of parts for a rebuild and given them away to sweeten the sale.

Jay gave him £500 so essentially Macker has pocketed Jays £500 because without the parts the car would have gone for a lower price.

 

YES JAY,
Id only done 100 mile in the car & people can persieve me as they like, but im no boy racer. The cars ive had show this.
I was genuinly going to give it a full rebuild jay,
My job & what has happend now i had no way of knowing about.
Im really sorry you feel the way you do & i would to if being honest Jay.

I simply could not afford to have it fully rebuilt, but did use your 500 to repair what was damaged. Paul stripped & rebuilt it for me really for not alot.
How much would a tuner charge just to stripe to evaluate the problem.
Im sorry its come to this Jay , this was not my intention.
If curcumstances were different none of this would be up & my rebuild would be ongoing.
Again appologies to you Jay if you feel ive ripped you off, but i GENUINLEY havn`t

Steve

 

if you went 50/50 on the repair (which did not go ahead) its only common courtesy to offer a chunk of the £500 back.

as macker has claimed the repair cost £400 (with no reciepts of course) it should of cost the pair of you £200 each to fix this car.

my estimation is that macker owes Jay £300.

 

at worst

woodford garage-
exhaust valves x2 = £75
or
inlet valves x2 = £49.90

group a head gasket £59.99
bolts £34.99



so if it was inlets that had gone- total =£144.88
and exhausts =£169.98


i gave you £500 towards a full engine build that was costing you £1000-1200........


just doesnt add up-where is your contribution?

 

SO YOU ADMIT YOU USED MY MONEY AND NONE OF YOUR OWN?

 

Basicly you paid for him fucking the thing in the first place because valves dont bend unless human error nowt to do with the guy that sold it

 

another quick question please

if you were rebuilding the car to be sold and on a very tight budget(mine!)

why did you fit another distributor,new plug leads and new engine sensors? was that the original fault????????a fuckin misfire?and havent once said on here you bought those items too?

keep digging this big hole...

 

what i dont understand is jay gave u £500 TOWARDS a rebuild .......why the fuck should he pay the whole bill ....if i was jay id be fucking livid.....and if i was macker i would be thankfull and understanding as to why jays pissed off .......thats my opinion

 

How do you work that out mate.
As i ve stated the money was used to repair & not fully re-build
JAY, Replied to your questions mate.
Theres alot offill feeling here & i can understand, but ive not lied or conned enyone. Work needed doing to repair the car, but i did not carry out a full rebuild. My reasons have been stated.
At the end of the day ive used the money Jay gave towards the repairs & have not payed any myself. This is what seems to be the problem.

BUT how can you expect me to fully rebuild an engine with no funds.
Im tired of trying to explain my reasons, as they dont seem to matter.

JAY, im sorry you feel this way.
Ive genuinely had some bad luck & have had to sell, as i cant afford to keep it. Steve

 

£100 for parts, ie headgasket and valves and belt..IF they got done

£400 on parts you gave away to sweeten the sale

Not hard maths

 

i don't think this is going to get pretty any time soon

 

why dont you return the good will you where shown and return £250 of the £500 for a job that wasnt done.

Hard lesson learned i reckon Jay, dont be a decent bloke and think that everyone is honest. Everyone;s out for them selfs!

 

those bits make sense
but if you were in a hole why not be straight with the guy in the first place?
i can see your side of the arguement but it's realistic to expect everyone to call you names

sorry, but thats the way i see it, i've been in the shit before and haven't had any money to fix my car and when no one gave me the money i couldn't fix it and cut my losses by letting the insurance company ay me loads less for it (3 door, caught fire, burnt to toast, couldn't fix it with no money, got properly screwed by the insurance company, but thats another story)

i feel for you being skint and all, but it's a bit devious the way you've made jay think he's been and done a good deed when, as the pf jury sees it as a while, you've shafted him good and proper

 

I DID NOT FIT THESE JAY, AS I TOLD YOU.
Ian had changed these when i bought the car & only done under 200 miles since owning it.
Ive got no reciept for the parts actually being fitted as it was done by the previous owner at his house.
You told me Ian had fitted these items to the car, so as far as im concerned they are still new, as car only did 180 miles

You are just missleading everthing now Jay.
WERE THESE ITEMS FITTED BY IAN OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Repairs that weren't down to Jay to put right, they should be solely attributed to you, you say you drove the car only a 100 miles, where's the proof of that? Jay didn't know how you'd driven the car. Therefore, he was under no obligation legally to give you any money at all. You have used his money to put right something you should have paid for.

If you have any decency at all, you will make an offer to at least give him half back, as theoretically you have conned him, despite your protests you haven't.

Edit: Just noticed you've changed the mileage to just under 200 miles now

You're tying yourself in knots Macker.

 

I have read and reread this thread and it does seem at the very least that Jay is owed £300.00

The £500 was given in the understanding that it was to be used towards a £1000-1200 engine rebuild.

In the end this didnt happen and only £400 was spent on parts... immediately Jay is owed £100.

Now..... it looks like Jay had agreed in principle to pay roughly half towards the cost of the rebuild, im not sure if this stretched to paying half of the cost for parts but if so half of £400 is £200 so thats £200 owed back to Jay making £300 in total.

As previously stated in this thread by others the fact that you basically gave away your 3 door is nobodys fault or choice but your own.

I hold no opinion of you as a person Macker whereas i hold no opinion of Jay as I dont know either of you but in my opinion you do owe him 60% of the money he gave you back.

Seems though that unfortunately both parties have lost out on this one!!

 

Dojj,
I appreciate your views, but at the time i did have funds ok Christmas was close thats why it was getting done New Year.
But on return to work after the holidays work are laying of & its last in 1st out.
Ive only been there 2 years & 1st year as a temp.
I know i wont be out of work if i do get finished, but i wont get a job with the money im earning now.
Married , kids & mortgage all take priority over a car mate,
Thats why ive sold it.
What makes it worse we are on basic hours so cannot earn extra cash during this time of uncertinty. I had to sell as this is the only option i had.
Cheers for atleast understanding

Im not going to explain myself anymore as i feel ive not ripped anyone off

Im sorry if people think im a twat, but in my position id like to see what you would do..

Not edited mileage Redkop car had done 100 miles when it broke down & only done around 100 miles since repair. Can safley say thats around 200 give or take a few miles

THATS ALL IM GOING TO SAY NOW ON THIS POST...

Steve

 

well if that is your last words at least you have admitted some things-

you didnt use any of your money-just mine
you didnt replace a piston you told me was fucked
you fitted parts totalling under £200

can you now please tell me how the 2 valves had been damaged-and if only they have been replaced how come it hasnt happened again immedieately-surely the old valves hadnt stretched???or have you fitted shorter ones?


if you cannot see that you have in one way or another you have conned me then there is something wrong.i am going to publicly ask you for £250 back as a gesture towards sorting this out.i know you have the funds-you have just sold the car.


if you do not think you should-please give me a reason i can understand-that does not include your personal circumstances!

 

That's the way I see it too. It doesn't look like Jay is getting a penny back though

 

can i buy a car of you jay?ill rebuild the whole thing,but rather than me pay you for it,just give me a load of money and the car for free cos i havent got my own funds to buy OR rebuild it!im not ripping you off,honest!

 

Perosnally i reckon £250 is cheap, i'd be asking for it all back considering the engine went wrong due to user error. You are too nice mate.

 

I Will ask my mate what he fitted as im unsure, im no mechanic.
Dont patronise me about my personal curcumstances mate.
THe car basically fucked up in the 1st week of ownership, you offered money straight away,250.00 without even questioning the problems. is that not a sign of guilt

You only questioned it when i told you that Baldy Butch PM`d me on here & told me he would fully rebuild it for 1,300 quid

Okay i could of had it done with him, but knew my friend would do it cheaper
& thats what i told you.
I had the car 9 weeks & it was parked up for bloody 6 of them due to no fault of mine.
Yes ive just sold the car, but as you stated you dont want to know my personal curcumstances, but thats wgere the bulk of the money has gone

 

what pisses me off is i work fuckin hard for my money and i have to as its my only source of income.i have a big mortgage,unit rent,rates,electric,water,advertising all to pay for.

sometimes these things happen and you have to take them on the chin but when i give someone the money(which i really didnt have to do) and it doesnt get used for the purpose i get very angry.i dont like getting angry as that was what put me in prison last time.im 36 now and have a 2 year old and great family,so dont really want to be getting wound up-but im also not going to have the pis taken out of me either-im way too big and ugly for that!

its very frustrating as i have felt sorry for you macker from word go-when you didnt have enough to put to the 3 door-i dropped the price to accomodate you as i could see how much you wanted the car.
i then felt sorry for you when the car broke down and gave you money towards an engine rebuild
i also felt sorry for you when you told me about the job situation,when you said you couldnt afford a rebuild

do you feel sorry for me that you did not use any of your funds to pay for any repairs and just used mine? i do.


this can go on and on and on.i feel strongly about this if you havent worked it out