Oh dear...

Maybe calm down untill you've heard from the guy mate, it might not be quite what it seems

I know the threads and the car you're talking about, i agree it doesn't look good and i'd be annoyed but try and relax, you just never know...

 

I can guess whats happened.

New owner driving it hard and the head gasket has gone so its dropped on to 3 running like a dog.

An RAC man has said... 'That sounds fooked mate, sounds like theres valves hitting pistons there mate... thats gonna be dear'

New owner has shit themselves at the thought of the cost of an engine re-built, come on to Jay shouting the odds and demanding money.

And when its come to doing the work its turned out to only be a headgasket, new owner is chuffed as he's had the job done under 'Jay Warranty' and it hasnt cost him a penny.



Name and shame him Jay, there are too many coonts like this, and people being 'honorable' and not naming people makes people think they can get away with it so they keep doing it.


You were man enough to go halves on the work that was supposed to be done with him, the least he could do is give you half the money back, the best he could do is give you all your money back.

 

well we will see.......

 

Live and learn Jay and you thought he was a mate

I know who your on about, but lets see what the other party have to say about the matter.

 

this seem avery strange as i did the headgasket before you had it back off me jay ,and i have done hundereds off these now for loads off people and have never had any problems ever
even when you got the car back off me it ran better than ever seems very strange too me mate as the reason he took it appart was that the valves were bent not a headgasket failure

you should know i rebuild them proper and the head was measured and skimmed and it was within tolerance

 

that seems funny it drove mint the night me and ian dropped it off at jays

me and ian have done too of my cossie head gaskets and nothing went wrong with them

ian can do them in his sleep

sounds u have been stung jay mate

 

well,i was told that the car started running on 2 cylinders and was smoking on his wa to work one morning.it got towed to his mates and he stripped the head off.that evening(some hours later) im contacted about this saying there are 2 bent valves and a damaged piston where it has been touching the valves and that was the cause.

i was very sceptical about this as i couldnt understand how it could have happened/caused the fault.especially as it left me running very well and ran well for days after.

im thinking along the lines now of-the running on 2 cylinders made his mate remove the head-they saw piston,valve touching(something i have seen a lot on cossie engines)and presumed this was the fault.

im then contacted and i offer to help towards the repairs but could do with seeing the damage as i couldnt understand how it could have happened.anyway for one reason or another i didnt see the head/piston as i was moving house and when i asked to see it was told it had been sent away.

im told his mrs works for a sloicitors and she has advised him to get 3 quotes for engine rebuilds and they will take me to small claims court.rather than go through all this i offer the cash back towards an engine rebuild which he planning on doing any way to keep the peace.bearing in mind im moving house that week so stressed to death.

im thinking it came to light that the valves were not the fault and in fact it didnt even need the head off as on the for sale ad it has for some reason had a new distributor/plug leads and engine sensors fitted-why?was that the fault?

i have pm'd him and asked him to tell me what he has fitted.

 

How is this your fault Jay????

You can buy a cossie have a blow out/belt snap/engine blow up its not the previous owners problem no more if its changed hands.

Personally i think you did a nice thing offering money, but have been stung sadly

 

If the head gasket had been changed ect & it suddeny bends valves & needs a supposid piston ect..hs he missed a gear or timing jumped? certanly nothing to do with te guy that sold it..

 

everyone told me at the time not to give him anything but there were 3 factors that i took into consideration which i now wish i hadnt

1/ he was a member off here
2/ i was moving house that week and was very mithered
3/ i was being threatened with solicitors and didnt really want my name dragging through the dirt potentially.

i should have told to get stuffed as he had got his mate to strip the car and then hours later contacted me.i would rather it had come to me initially.unortunately due to work/house move i couldnt drive over to see the car,which is why i offered the money without seeing the apparent damage.
the law works both ways and i have rights too-the fact the car was stripped and i was contacted hours later would have gone in my favour.

 

well out of order, name and shame so no other PF users get bitten by him

 

Cant you play him at his own game, contact the guy who contacted you about the car, put some doubt in his mind about it overall, if he's rung you to find out about it he may be prety interested in the car anyway, and if he has his doubts, might just walk away from it. Know it wont get any cash back for you, but at least you'd know you'd lost the seller a sale.

 

not good

 

Name and shame for sure!

 

not good Jay.

 

he has already sold it!

 

What does the name begin with?

 

im sure you will find out when he reads this and puts his side across.

 

There's always 2 sides to every story.

By all means it does seem like the chaps a cunt for what his done but he may have a very good explanation.

Let's wait & see

 

i take it this post is in reference to MACKER ,search revealed that he claimed that valves where bent due to wrong torquing procedure used on the recent headgasket change.

 

not good jay

good to see your not going to name and shame that member till thay
sort it with you

 

Thanks again Jay, for posting shit about me...
I gave you my MINT Saph & 800.00 quid for the 3 door & yes it fucked up after 100 miles of ownership. So in theory i bought the car off you for 6,300 quid. I was going to give the car a FULL REBUILD this year, but due to personal reasons, one of which i explained to you weeks ago
That i could not afford to give the car a full rebuild. My mate had striped down the engine ready & told you i needed to sell. I even offered you the car back, but you wanted a full rebuild.
So as i could not afford this my friend replaced the damaged parts & put it back together, bearing in mind id bought various items towards a re-build. The car was put back together & was running fine, but still has piston slap from cold.
Not to make it look like i ripped you off i advertised the car cheap, with all the bits included that i bought, which were around 300 quid. Not to mention the work Paul had already done Striping the car & putting it back together.
The car really had to go quickly as the position im in. I dont want to go into to much detail, but i explained all this to the new buyer, why i was letting it go cheap.
All i will say is im up in court for a very serious assault charge & its not looking to good for mr OKAY

Right i sold the car on Sunday for a measily 4,800 pounds as hopefully you can understand the position im in...Solicitors are not cheap & i feel im going to be paying the guy a lot of compensation..
The guy who bought the car was happy with this, as he would be as hes had a bloody cheap Cosworth...
I should have to explain myself to you Jay, as id spent around 400.00 of your money on bits which i included with the car & the work that Paul did.

My mate has even said that if the new owner wants any work doing on the car, just to ask...
You can have as much of a rant as you like Jay, but ive not conned you..
If i sold the car for the same money & pocketed the 500 well then fair enough

Under 5k i sold the car, so i think im out of pocket alot more than you mate...
I just fucking hate it when things go wrong in life & people are to quick ti criticise & judge
Again you had no right to air this on the site again as did explain to you about 3 weeks ago my position with work & with this on top i had no option...
Thanks all you on this thread for fucking judging me before even knowing the reasons why
I sincerly hope none of you have to go through the position im now in.

Thanks alot Jay

 

THANKS FOR ONE PERSON PREPARED TO GIVE ME THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT & HERE MY SIDE..

Thanks for not Judging me mate

 

What really pisses me off Jay, is that i did contact you about 3 weeks ago about my position & told you then that i could not fully rebuild the engine, but would include what bits i had that i bought
YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN BUYING IT MATE
Now ive sold it you are having a rant on here & making me out to be a TWAT
4,800.00 i sold the car for JAY, thats 1500 quid less what i paid for it.
Okay you gave me 500.00 back but that money went towards the parts i included in the sale & the work Paul done for me on the car!!!!!!!

Im really fucked off with this & as i stated if i had sold the car for the same as what i gave you for it & pocketed the 500.00 fair enough i would deserve to be slagged off, BUT I FUCKING HAV`NT

You didnt want the car, so because you did`t want it im expected to keep it. I explained all this to the Guy who bought the car & he was`nt bothered as he was gettig a solid 3 door, well for peanuts. Hes even rung me as hes pleased with it..I would be too for under 5K !!!!!!

I didn`t want to air out my personal issues on here Jay, but you have left me no choice. People are judging me without hearing the true facts

Ive got enough on my plate without all this

I just hope some of you can understand the position im in. Im sorry if you think ive conned you Jay, but i havn`t
Selling the car for 4,800 proves i wasn`t trying to make money on the car
Just i needed to sell quickly due to my position.

I dont want nobodys sympathy, just want you to understand & put yourself in my position..Any of you would do the same if put in my position...

Steve

 

from what i've read, it doesn't seem that jay has slagged you off
i don't think that others have slagged you off either really

the agreement seems to have been that it "seems" that you have pulled a fast one, even though you probably haven't due to your circumtances

once it's all out in the open things look a lot different

jay still sounds like a decent bloke for helping you out, but you posting all angry won't help your case with those who have already judged you to be guilty

hope your court thing goes well mate

 

It just annoyies me mate as most are slagging me off saying ive pulled a fast one.
Jay knew some of my personal problems weeks ago, but did not want to go in to detail. Now ive been forced to as a way to defend myself.
Ive every right to be angry. If he would have waited to see how much i actually sold the car for & my reasons none of this would have been posted.
People in life are to quick to pass judgement & voice there opinions before getting all the facts.
Loads on here, as this thread proves. I hope Jay can understand my position & by seeing how much i sold the car for, realise i was not ripping him off.
Just my position left me no choice.
Im gutted i had to sell the car to say the least, as i know due to my position im going to be out the RS scene at least this year.
1st time in 11 years...Gutted
Nevermind that, just hope people dont think im a twat & just put themselves in my position.
Sorry you feel like ive ripped you off Jay, but i genuinly havn`t..
Steve

 

It seems to me there has been a bit of a breakdown in communication here, Jay has obviosuly been a damn site more decent that most motor traders that's for sure and it looks like macker has not done a great deal wrong either, and from mackers point of view probably didn't need to be hung before the trial on here

as somebody has said there is always 2 sides to every story and this appears to be a perfect example of just that!

I hope everything gets sorted for you macker and that the guy you slapped about is ok too

 

But macker if the above quote is true you would have known that it wasnt jay that done the head gasket & there for you shouldnt have asked hm for a penny as it would have nothing to do with him

 

No offer of compensation for failing to carry out the task you have been reimbursed for?

The sell price is irrelevent anyway, but by mentioning your sales price you failed to mention that the car was crashed prior to sale resulting in a lower price.

Was that jays fault too? Maybe you should claim under warranty

 

FFs its getting worse

 

 

what you have decided to sell the car for has no relevance whatsoever in this argument-had you have sold it for £100 or £10000 i would still be saying the same.


you bought the car from me-i actually wanted more from you originally in part ex but as you really wanted the 3 door i knocked an extra £200 of what i wanted so you could have it!remember?

the car drove perfect when it left here,and was ok for a few days.you even commented on pf how happy you were with it and were planning on rebuilding the engine at your cost in the near future.then you contact me telling me 2 valves have hit a piston and is making it run on 2 cylinders???i was sceptical at the time if you remember macker as i couldnt understand how it could have happened.i was also mad busy moving house that week and the fact you threatened me with legal action too was just too much mither for me at the time so i offered you £500 towards the engine rebuild you were going to do.

at that time i was under the impression the car was unroadworthy due to damaged valves/piston.so the engine had to AT LEAST have those parts fitted.

you then contacted me and told me you could not go ahead with a full engine build and would i buy the car back-not a fuckin chance would i ever deal with you again was why i didnt buy it back!i also questioned then what was my money going on?

if you have bought some parts towards the rebuild,fair enough,but what i dont understand is,if the car needed 2 valves and 1 piston how havwe you got it running well enough to drive away by fitting a head gasket????
and if i have paid for the parts you bought-why are they not with me?

you say you have spent £400 of my money.where then is my other £100?its a valid point....

i can appreciate that youre having a shit time and there are reasons why you did not go ahead and rebuild the engine-but the fac tis i gave you £500 as 50% of the rebuild cost-if it only cost you £400 then surely i should be only liable for 50%of that= £200---can you see my point?im not a charity-i did what i did as a genuine gesture ,to who i thought at the time was a genuine person.

also its not my fault youre on an assault charge just like it was nobody else fault when i got 12 months in 1993 for violent disorder-it was my fault for being a stupid prick.

im glad you came on here and put your point across and you probably have some sympathy(including from me in a way),im not a and dont normally make an issue out of things but the facts are there.

i gave you £500 towards an engine rebuild
you havent rebuilt the engine
the engine did not need the parts you said it did to get it running again.
if your mate originally diagnosed the fault,before you even contacted me ,and it wasnt that then surely thats his fault.
HAVE YOU FITTED 2 VALVES AND A PISTON?????

i dont expect you to give me a refund-but i do want you to admit the car did not require the parts you said it did and i gave you £500,which should have been less with hindsight.you cannot use how much you sold it for as a defence for why you didnt use my money the way you should have!

 

Sorry Macker but there's so many flaws in your replies!

To be fair why should Jay be interested in buying it back and why should he be interested in your self-inflicted position that you have brought upon yourself?

It's hardly Jay's fault that you sold it for a lower price than what it's worth because you needed money urgently.

Your self-imposed position Macker and most people wouldn't get in your position.

This is all about YOU and YOUR personal situations, why should it concern Jay. At the end of the day if what you told Jay below was the truth [which doesn't seem the case] you have obtained money under false pretences.

Jay had no obligation to refund you anything and you should take heed of the old adage 'Caveat Emptor' which applies to all buyers.

 

fordsportjay

 

i couldnt agree more that there are 2 sides to every story which is why i invited him to say his bit.

but

its not my fault he has assaulted someone(which i was unaware of) and its going to cost him a fortune.i did the same and lost my job and a potential £15000 redundancy in 1993-only person to blame was me.i dont know the story of mackers incident but if you assault someone-you pay the price-i did and it made me a better man.

if you gave someone £500 towards something and they didnt spend it the way they were supposed to have-would you be happy?

 

macker this is the first time you have mentioned the court case to me,so i was unaware of it until you put it on here.

you told me a few weeks ago you MAY be getting made redeundant and that was your reason for selling the car at that time.i told you i didnt want a bodged together car as you were not rebuilding it properly-why the fuck would i want that?

the figures you quote are only relevant to your costs-if you paid a lot for the sapphire originally its not my fault.i didnt make you buy the 3 door-you wanted to buy it-so much so that i let you have it for £200 less than i wanted to do a deal at because you couldnt afford any more.

more actually as i wanted £6300 for the 3 door and valued yours at £5000.so in reality i knocked £500 off screen price.trust me you may have lost some money on the car but i never made any either!

 

NAME AND SHAME!!!!

 

fordsportjay



althgouh i can't say i don't feel for macker either in this

and there are always 3 sides to every story, yours, theirs and what actually happened, whcih tends to be a mixture and best left to a jury other than us here at pf

the question still stands to macker though, how much has it cost to put the car right and what was the original problem?

i don't think you and jay will be best of bestest best friends again but it would be nice to sort this out and not have someone else pointing angrys at you fella

hope things can sort themselves out

 

thats all i want to know.....

did the car need 2 valves and a piston like i was told.if so can he supply me with a receipt to prove.

if it didnt need them to get it going is he man enough to say so and to tell me what the fault actually was.

i can understand if he suspected it was head related,removed the head,saw the piston/valve had been touching(a lot of them do but it doesnt affect it),and presumed it was the problem.when putting it back together it was still not right-hence the replaced distributor/engine sensors/leads it had as per for sale ad.

but if that was the case-stand up and say it!

 

FFS 3PAGES AND NO ANSWER

did it need piston/valves macker