F.A.O Mike R Rear Strut Bar
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Mike can you look at my post regarding rear strut bars. Apparently the way that it is connected is not too good,
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it would be easier to have one made than try to modify the ones shown.
Just think about it, imagine if you hold one end of the bar with a pair of fingers then hold the other end in a similar way
Now move one hand up upwards in an arc, as if the shock is being pushed up (or even downwards for chassis flex) whats to stop that happening - nothing, the bar certainly does not, as it will just swivel at the other end.
You need another fixed point along the axis line of the bar to stop the upwards movement, an easy way is a bracket from the bar down to the boot floot, bolted down to the floor, either centally or better still one in each corner about 20cms in from the mounting point on the shock
Even better is a bar coming off the same place as the mounting point on the shock down to the centre point of the main bar, at boot floor level - then another the same at the other end, then another bar where these meet on the boot floor going striaght up to meet the main bar - fully triangulated then.
Is this true and can you supply something that does the job?
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a.k.a wrote:
it would be easier to have one made than try to modify the ones shown.
Just think about it, imagine if you hold one end of the bar with a pair of fingers then hold the other end in a similar way
Now move one hand up upwards in an arc, as if the shock is being pushed up (or even downwards for chassis flex) whats to stop that happening - nothing, the bar certainly does not, as it will just swivel at the other end.
You need another fixed point along the axis line of the bar to stop the upwards movement, an easy way is a bracket from the bar down to the boot floot, bolted down to the floor, either centally or better still one in each corner about 20cms in from the mounting point on the shock
Even better is a bar coming off the same place as the mounting point on the shock down to the centre point of the main bar, at boot floor level - then another the same at the other end, then another bar where these meet on the boot floor going striaght up to meet the main bar - fully triangulated then.
Is this true and can you supply something that does the job?
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Cheers Mike
Luke
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I see what a.k.a. is saying, but to do something properly would mean totally compromising boot space - and on a road car, is pretty pointless for the gains acheived (you're not chasing 1/100ths of a second lap time
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I run coil-overs and don't have a rear brace, but if I was to fit one, it would be just like the one that you are thinking about getting, which is just to stop the struts from moving towards each other (and thus changing the geometry) on hi-g corners.
Every little helps, it just won't prevent the up and down twisting forces - no biggie on a road car
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I run coil-overs and don't have a rear brace, but if I was to fit one, it would be just like the one that you are thinking about getting, which is just to stop the struts from moving towards each other (and thus changing the geometry) on hi-g corners.
Every little helps, it just won't prevent the up and down twisting forces - no biggie on a road car
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thanks for the reply mike, so i guess there is only one question left to ask...
Is it worth spending you hard ernt money on rear strut bar? Bearing in mind its 1989 rwd. This winter ill be getting coilovers, polybushes and strut bars, i was thinking of gaz coilovers due to the price and their name. Any comments on that??
Cheers Mike
Is it worth spending you hard ernt money on rear strut bar? Bearing in mind its 1989 rwd. This winter ill be getting coilovers, polybushes and strut bars, i was thinking of gaz coilovers due to the price and their name. Any comments on that??
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Originally Posted by lukeytheduke
thanks for the reply mike, so i guess there is only one question left to ask...
Is it worth spending you hard ernt money on rear strut bar? Bearing in mind its 1989 rwd. This winter ill be getting coilovers, polybushes and strut bars, i was thinking of gaz coilovers due to the price and their name. Any comments on that??
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Is it worth spending you hard ernt money on rear strut bar? Bearing in mind its 1989 rwd. This winter ill be getting coilovers, polybushes and strut bars, i was thinking of gaz coilovers due to the price and their name. Any comments on that??
Cheers Mike
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are gaz coilovers any good mike?? so is it worth spending the 100 pound to strengthen through the twistys then?
U dont stock Philloy do you mike? if so prices on front and rear strut bar
U dont stock Philloy do you mike? if so prices on front and rear strut bar
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Originally Posted by Kelv
Gaz are ok, but to be honest they are more of an entry level coilover.
ive just sold mine and will be going for the Leda's pretty soon.
ive just sold mine and will be going for the Leda's pretty soon.
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Originally Posted by lukeytheduke
Originally Posted by Kelv
Gaz are ok, but to be honest they are more of an entry level coilover.
ive just sold mine and will be going for the Leda's pretty soon.
ive just sold mine and will be going for the Leda's pretty soon.
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but you pay for what you get.
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if you've got a 2wd car then you won't feel the benifits as much as you would in an escos or 3 door beacuse of the big bit of metal that is sitting above the strut tops to stop the body flexing as much
if you want to stop things from flexing then, as sugested, get somethng to triangulate everything together, but this won't be practical or pretty (unles it's bling bling) really on a road car as you will have to cmopromise the boot floor
if you want to stop things from flexing then, as sugested, get somethng to triangulate everything together, but this won't be practical or pretty (unles it's bling bling) really on a road car as you will have to cmopromise the boot floor
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Here you go Luke,
http://www.adrenaline-race.com/forum...opic.php?t=392
theres pictures of whats on its way to you
Merry Christmas.
I believe Mike R directed Luke to me so I'd like to say thank you
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theres pictures of whats on its way to you
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Merry Christmas.
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Here you go Luke,
http://www.adrenaline-race.com/forum...opic.php?t=392
theres pictures of whats on its way to you
Merry Christmas.
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Merry Christmas.
I believe Mike R directed Luke to me so I'd like to say thank you
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by Danny B
Here you go Luke,
http://www.adrenaline-race.com/forum...opic.php?t=392
theres pictures of whats on its way to you
Merry Christmas.
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Merry Christmas.
I believe Mike R directed Luke to me so I'd like to say thank you
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Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
If it is not directly in the middle and in line with the top mounts, I would imagine that you lose quite a large amount of torsional rigidity...
I wonder if this can be tested????
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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I run coil-overs and don't have a rear brace, but if I was to fit one, it would be just like the one that you are thinking about getting, which is just to stop the struts from moving towards each other (and thus changing the geometry) on hi-g corners.
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I run coil-overs and don't have a rear brace, but if I was to fit one, it would be just like the one that you are thinking about getting, which is just to stop the struts from moving towards each other (and thus changing the geometry) on hi-g corners.
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
So if i was to get one of these 3 point rear braces, one of Mike R front strut brace and the chassis bars, will my cossie handle reasonably well?
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The position is dictated buy the guys at ford, the mounting bolts go right throught the rear cros member and act as 2 of the 4 that secure the rear diff support mount. this isn't actually center so I've had to offset the plate, The only other problem in an escort would be the spare wheel although most cars they wont fit over the front brake anyway. I could be made to fit but would be a little less efficient and look strange. If I get time i'll fit it in an escort and take a pic Mike
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by CossieRich
So if i was to get one of these 3 point rear braces, one of Mike R front strut brace and the chassis bars, will my cossie handle reasonably well?
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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I run coil-overs and don't have a rear brace, but if I was to fit one, it would be just like the one that you are thinking about getting, which is just to stop the struts from moving towards each other (and thus changing the geometry) on hi-g corners.
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I run coil-overs and don't have a rear brace, but if I was to fit one, it would be just like the one that you are thinking about getting, which is just to stop the struts from moving towards each other (and thus changing the geometry) on hi-g corners.
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by CossieRich
So if i was to get one of these 3 point rear braces, one of Mike R front strut brace and the chassis bars, will my cossie handle reasonably well?
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PLUS MORE CRUCIALLY, THE SEAT TO STEERING WHEEL INTERFACE NEEDS VASTLY IMPROVING!
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I was under the impression that ANY chassis flex changed the geomtery, so anything that stops this is good
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by CossieRich
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
So if i was to get one of these 3 point rear braces, one of Mike R front strut brace and the chassis bars, will my cossie handle reasonably well?
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HI Danny, the one in the pick looks good mate, will it be that colour though as im sure that isnt whjat we discussed on the phone??
Danny has been well helpfull and i will defo be doing business with him again, as soon a si placed the order he had his bloke make it up.
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Danny has been well helpfull and i will defo be doing business with him again, as soon a si placed the order he had his bloke make it up.
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Luke,
If you read the post with the pictures in, they can be powder-coated colour of your choice
. I changed your order to pink just like you asked
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If you read the post with the pictures in, they can be powder-coated colour of your choice
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anyway, i recieved mine in the post before x mas, so that means danny b made it and sent it in 3 or 4 days, i cant remeber now.
Ill post it up when i install it.
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I do my best to keep a fast service and if there is delay I explain way
I got deposits for 5 braces so far so anyone else interested please contact me as I aim to have this batch done for end of Jan, I need comfirmed orders so I have enough material in stock.
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Hi Mike, just a quickie, i seen in other threads about toe in issues, could you explain that as i seen on your website-Cosworth rear suspension shims, are these worth getting and what do they do.
Also i brought a philloy front twin strut bar, how does this bolt on to the turrets, do i need to just drill some hols and bolt them in or is there something that can optimise the role of the strut bar? e.g make it more effective and stronger??
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Also i brought a philloy front twin strut bar, how does this bolt on to the turrets, do i need to just drill some hols and bolt them in or is there something that can optimise the role of the strut bar? e.g make it more effective and stronger??
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As standard the car is supposed to run parrallel from the factory, which when measured statically MOST Cossies do. HOWEVER, in forward movement, there is sufficient bush deflection that the wheels then toe out like this (both front and rear): \ / This wears the inside edges and causes the car to have some nasty fish-tailing lift-off over-steer.
The shims I sell give the car a small amount of static toe-in: / \ However, with bush deflection, this either gives the parrallel reading in forward motion or retains a small amount of toe-in which makes the car more stable in oversteer moments, as the car is always trying to self centre.
Unfortunately, the other 50% of wear is caused by the camber issues if the car is too low, or from squating under acceleration. The only way to remove this is with a fully adjustable rear beam.
The shims I sell give the car a small amount of static toe-in: / \ However, with bush deflection, this either gives the parrallel reading in forward motion or retains a small amount of toe-in which makes the car more stable in oversteer moments, as the car is always trying to self centre.
Unfortunately, the other 50% of wear is caused by the camber issues if the car is too low, or from squating under acceleration. The only way to remove this is with a fully adjustable rear beam.