Are track cars the future for the RS owner
05-12-2006, 04:57 PM
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well i would say yes .
Had a 4i for 300 quid of ebay ,much fun ,but thats not working after a turbo install
So last year i took my 3door which i had just spent over 13k rebuilding around Croft,Donnington and the Ring
Not big and not clever 
So now i am going to build up a 3 door to take out ,wont be done in time for next year as i have a weding to pay for .
So i will be out in me 3 door again
Had a 4i for 300 quid of ebay ,much fun ,but thats not working after a turbo install
So last year i took my 3door which i had just spent over 13k rebuilding around Croft,Donnington and the Ring
Not big and not clever So now i am going to build up a 3 door to take out ,wont be done in time for next year as i have a weding to pay for .
So i will be out in me 3 door again
05-12-2006, 05:31 PM
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yes tracktime all the way,
last time i entered concourse was 1990 at longleat in my 6month old flint grey sapphire paid £17,500 for it ,
just found my rsoc membership card out expired june 1991
last time i entered concourse was 1990 at longleat in my 6month old flint grey sapphire paid £17,500 for it ,
just found my rsoc membership card out expired june 1991
05-12-2006, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by YoungDan
So unless I've had 27,000 years track day experience, it's wrong that I own something that I can have fun on a track with?
05-12-2006, 06:49 PM
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never been on track but its something ive always wanted to do and now that i be breaking the cossie after its been written off i will have to give it some thought as to which way i wanna go
a decent stg 3 spec cossie im sure can be dam good fun
a decent stg 3 spec cossie im sure can be dam good fun
05-12-2006, 06:53 PM
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just finding my feet
most "track" cars are just sooooo funny,,,,,, there just a a posing tool for southend imo
i prefer to look at cars as "toys" rather than track cars,,,,, but then thats just MY opinion
track cars are a image and fashion as pon says and PROOF cause one of the best value for money track cars is prob a 205 gti,,,,,, wont mention JUST how well the S1 erst done on track,,,,,,, think we all know the TRUE answer to that
i prefer to look at cars as "toys" rather than track cars,,,,, but then thats just MY opinion
track cars are a image and fashion as pon says and PROOF cause one of the best value for money track cars is prob a 205 gti,,,,,, wont mention JUST how well the S1 erst done on track,,,,,,, think we all know the TRUE answer to that
05-12-2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Originally Posted by Alan s1
Originally Posted by RichardPON
The funny thing is that a lot of people building "track cars" haven't even done a track day in their life!
There's a huge difference between building a track car and using their exisiting car on track, but people seem to be following fashion. No different than the housewife down at the tennis club with all the most expensive gear, but can't hit a lick, or the guy who turns up at the bowling alley with his own ball and bowls an 85.
Next year should be very entertaining
There's a huge difference between building a track car and using their exisiting car on track, but people seem to be following fashion. No different than the housewife down at the tennis club with all the most expensive gear, but can't hit a lick, or the guy who turns up at the bowling alley with his own ball and bowls an 85.
Next year should be very entertaining
As said above you cant realy do it on the roads .
I do have experience Off road playing in MUD ect and everyone has to learn weather its a pinto of cossie
Also my Saph is going to be road use aswell
People are going crazy, spending £3k on suspension, putting in 500bhp engines etc, and they have no idea why.
Building a track car (unless you have a huge budget) should be about the complete package, and that includes the driver. You don't need a 400bhp Cossie to be able to drive on circuit. In fact, that's probably the last thing you need.
I've been out as a passenger with enough people to know that for all the money they've spent on their car to turn it into a "track beast/weapon/whatever", it's all wasted when they can't even hold the steering wheel correctly, or know where the racing line is.
Track cars are fashionable at the moment, cos sure as shit, stripped out caged road cars are hideous to drive anywhere but on circuit, and most of these "track weapons" see more shows than track days.
I did a track day with a few MR2 Turbos are Bedford recently, along with the Elise forum lot. One guy who fancied himself as a bit of a driver (even though he's useless) came away from the day shouting about needing more power, even though he runs 300bhp! The reason? He was getting passed by loads of Elises and needed to pull away more on the straights.
He couldn't drive a slippery stick up a dog's arse, yet wanted more power, better suspension, bigger brakes. The problem was nothing to do with the car, as I took the car out, and pedalled the shit out of it, and it performed very well indeed. His response - "I didn't know the car could do that".
I'm not shouting my own talents here. God knows, I'm far from the best driver on here - clearly, that's "I've been driving RWD for 60 years Marco"
but I have a fair bit of racing experience, and a lot of track experience, and there's far more to be gained from spending money on learning to drive properly than there is adding another 200bhp under the bonnet for example. Even the mulleted father of 26 children will agree with that. Richy
you know what i agree with you 100%
I can't belive it Victor
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05-12-2006, 06:59 PM
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Im building my S2 to handle... It wont have that much power to start with, even though im going the cossie route
but then Ive raced Karts for a few years now, So going to use what experience I can on track from that.. Though I will be on track before my S2 is finished..To experience bigger tracks
Pon I agree with you, But whos spending ££££'s on track cars trying to be in the crowd
but then Ive raced Karts for a few years now, So going to use what experience I can on track from that.. Though I will be on track before my S2 is finished..To experience bigger tracks
Pon I agree with you, But whos spending ££££'s on track cars trying to be in the crowd
05-12-2006, 07:00 PM
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Only done about 7 or 8 trackdays at Brands Hatch over the last 2 yrs, ca'nt afford to do too many ! After the 1st 2 i fitted coilovers at the front as koni's were too soft & tyres were rubbing on the front, did another then got a spare set of wheels & fitted them with Toyo R888's so i did'nt wear out my road tyres. At the end of last year i fitted a Compbrake 330mm kit which was'nt expensive at about £600. Did another couple & then fitted a turbocooler. I've not really had any probs, mine is stage 3 & runs about 20 psi or so. my only bug bear is i've managed to snap 2 centre exhaust brackets on my scorpion & i do seem to get coolant hissing & spitting out of the header tank cap after doing 15 laps or so but it never overheats, do'nt sound good but its always done it on track but not on the road. May poly bush the rear next year if i keep it.
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06-12-2006, 07:39 AM
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PMSL @ this topic.....
My escort started out as a standard car with a 2.1 and has just turned into a track car....Looking to compete next year in some form of event
Just ordered some poly bush's and coil overs for my crx to make that a fun track car......as the engine is bulletproof but its suspension is fooked and it aint worth selling as the body aint very good....
Paul, track cars are not the way forward and a 5k saff track car will more than likely be a piece of shit LOL.......
My escort started out as a standard car with a 2.1 and has just turned into a track car....Looking to compete next year in some form of event
Just ordered some poly bush's and coil overs for my crx to make that a fun track car......as the engine is bulletproof but its suspension is fooked and it aint worth selling as the body aint very good....
Paul, track cars are not the way forward and a 5k saff track car will more than likely be a piece of shit LOL.......
06-12-2006, 08:11 AM
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Dont be a snob ,,Not everyone car afford to build a 20k track toy
I built my first 3 door for about 5k and not much passed me , so dont start with the 5k shitter thing
This is the problem with everthing in life these days , you get people turning there nose up at you if you dont have the best of everything
Track days are all about a cheap form of motorsport and if you start pushing people away who dont have 20k cars then all you will do is make track days the same as any other motorsport " only affordable to the rich "
On the other hand i feel that £300 bangers should be banned , simply because people who own them drive like tossers as thay have nothing to loose if they stuff it ,
Cars on a track day should have a min spec , ie , decent suspension / seats / tyres / Rollcage / brakes etc etc
Paul
Dont be a snob ,,Not everyone car afford to build a 20k track toy
I built my first 3 door for about 5k and not much passed me , so dont start with the 5k shitter thing
This is the problem with everthing in life these days , you get people turning there nose up at you if you dont have the best of everything
Track days are all about a cheap form of motorsport and if you start pushing people away who dont have 20k cars then all you will do is make track days the same as any other motorsport " only affordable to the rich "
On the other hand i feel that £300 bangers should be banned , simply because people who own them drive like tossers as thay have nothing to loose if they stuff it ,
Cars on a track day should have a min spec , ie , decent suspension / seats / tyres / Rollcage / brakes etc etc
Paul
06-12-2006, 08:21 AM
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Paul its nothing to do with being a snob mate....
Its just simple facts...
Most cossies are now very old need alot of money spending on them to get them road worthy let alone track worthy....
Engine in a decent condition, diff, gearbox suspension brakes, bush's wheels and tyres etc....
Just think 5k is not a lot of money for a good reliable cossie track car - maybe for you in the business but not ya average joe.
AND pmsl @ 20k...
The crx aint a 20k car LOL and my escort i have had for 13 years, started out just fitting a cage and billies.....
Its just simple facts...
Most cossies are now very old need alot of money spending on them to get them road worthy let alone track worthy....
Engine in a decent condition, diff, gearbox suspension brakes, bush's wheels and tyres etc....
Just think 5k is not a lot of money for a good reliable cossie track car - maybe for you in the business but not ya average joe.
AND pmsl @ 20k...
The crx aint a 20k car LOL and my escort i have had for 13 years, started out just fitting a cage and billies.....
06-12-2006, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Pennywise
Im building my S2 to handle... It wont have that much power to start with, even though im going the cossie route
but then Ive raced Karts for a few years now, So going to use what experience I can on track from that.. Though I will be on track before my S2 is finished..To experience bigger tracks
Pon I agree with you, But whos spending ££££'s on track cars trying to be in the crowd
but then Ive raced Karts for a few years now, So going to use what experience I can on track from that.. Though I will be on track before my S2 is finished..To experience bigger tracks
Pon I agree with you, But whos spending ££££'s on track cars trying to be in the crowd
Paul - using cossies as track cars when you start getting into them is for people with money. If you've got APs with a set of 330s for example, and you're doing a set of discs every other track day, plus the cost of fuel, tyres, the day itself etc, trackdays can easily stretch to a £500 weekend when all costs are considered. That isn't cheap by anyone's book - christ, you can go racing for less than that!
When I come back with a track car, it'll be something light and powerful, small wheel and tyre combo, fun and relatively cheap.
However, that isn't to say you can't do trackdays on a budget with a cossie and have fun. Eagle and myself have been doing them since 2000 in relatively low performance cossies - stage 3, intercooler, brake upgrades, and decent suspension. Reliable, fun, no noise issues etc....
06-12-2006, 09:19 AM
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Well you may think my Saff is crap only costing about £6k total, but its mine, i like it and it goes fast enough for me so
It's not about going the fastest, trackdays are for having fun and learning a little.
Went to Donington last year and there way a guy and his family that had to much money bought a Ferrari 335 race car, spend the whole day spinning off and losing every body else track time. Rich wankers.
Well you may think my Saff is crap only costing about £6k total, but its mine, i like it and it goes fast enough for me so
It's not about going the fastest, trackdays are for having fun and learning a little.
Went to Donington last year and there way a guy and his family that had to much money bought a Ferrari 335 race car, spend the whole day spinning off and losing every body else track time. Rich wankers.
06-12-2006, 09:29 AM
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From a personal stand point, I can see fewer and fewer reasons to use my Cosworth's on the road. The only way forward seems to be to build a track toy, get full enjoyment out of it and learn how to drive properly.
I suspect many share the same views...
I suspect many share the same views...
06-12-2006, 09:56 AM
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My response to the question would be:
Probably not exclusively. Track cars will possibly eventually be the majority, but i'm sure there will always be the buftys and original cars around.
In fact i may buy my 3dr back, as it is up for sale again. Then i'll have both areas covered.
Probably not exclusively. Track cars will possibly eventually be the majority, but i'm sure there will always be the buftys and original cars around.
In fact i may buy my 3dr back, as it is up for sale again. Then i'll have both areas covered.
06-12-2006, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
From a personal stand point, I can see fewer and fewer reasons to use my Cosworth's on the road. The only way forward seems to be to build a track toy, get full enjoyment out of it and learn how to drive properly.
I suspect many share the same views...
I suspect many share the same views...
I share a similar view, but i enjoy cleaning and polishing my s2 in summer
so have gone for a compromise - to just spec it so it's more enjoyable on track and can cope better with sustained hammer, but it's still 99% road car and practical for me
06-12-2006, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Dingy
Dont be a snob ,,Not everyone car afford to build a 20k track toy
I built my first 3 door for about 5k and not much passed me , so dont start with the 5k shitter thing
This is the problem with everthing in life these days , you get people turning there nose up at you if you dont have the best of everything
Track days are all about a cheap form of motorsport and if you start pushing people away who dont have 20k cars then all you will do is make track days the same as any other motorsport " only affordable to the rich "
On the other hand i feel that £300 bangers should be banned , simply because people who own them drive like tossers as thay have nothing to loose if they stuff it ,
Cars on a track day should have a min spec , ie , decent suspension / seats / tyres / Rollcage / brakes etc etc
Paul
Dont be a snob ,,Not everyone car afford to build a 20k track toy
I built my first 3 door for about 5k and not much passed me , so dont start with the 5k shitter thing
This is the problem with everthing in life these days , you get people turning there nose up at you if you dont have the best of everything
Track days are all about a cheap form of motorsport and if you start pushing people away who dont have 20k cars then all you will do is make track days the same as any other motorsport " only affordable to the rich "
On the other hand i feel that £300 bangers should be banned , simply because people who own them drive like tossers as thay have nothing to loose if they stuff it ,
Cars on a track day should have a min spec , ie , decent suspension / seats / tyres / Rollcage / brakes etc etc
Paul
06-12-2006, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by seand
Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Dingy
Dont be a snob ,,Not everyone car afford to build a 20k track toy
I built my first 3 door for about 5k and not much passed me , so dont start with the 5k shitter thing
This is the problem with everthing in life these days , you get people turning there nose up at you if you dont have the best of everything
Track days are all about a cheap form of motorsport and if you start pushing people away who dont have 20k cars then all you will do is make track days the same as any other motorsport " only affordable to the rich "
On the other hand i feel that £300 bangers should be banned , simply because people who own them drive like tossers as thay have nothing to loose if they stuff it ,
Cars on a track day should have a min spec , ie , decent suspension / seats / tyres / Rollcage / brakes etc etc
Paul
Dont be a snob ,,Not everyone car afford to build a 20k track toy
I built my first 3 door for about 5k and not much passed me , so dont start with the 5k shitter thing
This is the problem with everthing in life these days , you get people turning there nose up at you if you dont have the best of everything
Track days are all about a cheap form of motorsport and if you start pushing people away who dont have 20k cars then all you will do is make track days the same as any other motorsport " only affordable to the rich "
On the other hand i feel that £300 bangers should be banned , simply because people who own them drive like tossers as thay have nothing to loose if they stuff it ,
Cars on a track day should have a min spec , ie , decent suspension / seats / tyres / Rollcage / brakes etc etc
Paul
)I've done the big power RS on track days - to be honest unless it is a 100% track car dont bother!
06-12-2006, 12:31 PM
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I would actually like to see a Sapphire Cossie only track session, as I LOVE these cars and it would be interesting for other owners / people to see what works on track . At Donno, I spent a few minutes serepticiously snouting round all the Sapphires seeing what people had done - the best ones had big brakes .
However, there is no way I could live with driving Martin's or Lee's car any distance, so no wonder Lee is "Mr Arrive and Drive" and Martin trailers his car everywheer - you can take it too far, so you can't enjoy it so much on the road....Mine will still be sticking with full interior etc and is still a very capable GT car .
. At Donno, I spent a few minutes serepticiously snouting round all the Sapphires seeing what people had done - the best ones had big brakes .However, there is no way I could live with driving Martin's or Lee's car any distance, so no wonder Lee is "Mr Arrive and Drive" and Martin trailers his car everywheer
- you can take it too far, so you can't enjoy it so much on the road....Mine will still be sticking with full interior etc and is still a very capable GT car .
06-12-2006, 12:41 PM
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Well people who know my ka like radders and danny b, will know and tell you that I drive mine ka everywhere and enjoy doing so, and yes it does do track sessions
06-12-2006, 12:48 PM
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defenitely something i want to have a go at, once my 3i is turbo'd i'll just use the engine out of that on a cam and some suckers in a stripped mk2 fiesta
06-12-2006, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dingy
OK never said saff track cars are crap just saying I am not sure 5k is enough....and you state you spent 6k
mine owes me about 5k,thats with the trailor
909 billies, brembos,cage,triple cossie cooler,plenium etc
but it does help if you can do a bit on them tho
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