Mr Brannen

Need a definate answer to this please, a friend is in trouble with the police.

Any help would be appreciated.


Thanks In Advance

Anonymous

Gross vehicle weight is max 2.9 on the newer ones i think, its as low as 2.7 on some of the older ones though apparently.


Put your post in context?

Mr Brannen

Been stopped of a copper speeding, copper said weight of his vehicle is more than 2 tonnes there fore the road has a max speed limit of 50mph for his van, he was hoping it was less than 2 therefore he would have been permitted to do 70.

Thats basically it and by the sounds of it he`s fucked, you sure there over 2 tonnes Chip mate?

Anonymous

I dont know what weight they refer to, but i would imagine it IS the gross weight, in which case yes he is fucked.

Jasesapphy

iTrader: (1)

Thats bloody tight, on a 70mph road

Taz

According to Whichvan.co.uk the kerbweight is only 1677kgs. If the copper means the gross weight then it is 2700kgs. Was he carrying anything?

Sounds like a copper who did not get it last night!!!

Graham

Csm

the police are clamping down on speeding vans aswell as non seat belt wearers aswell

im a driver and drive armour plated vehicles and am limited to 50 even tho u can and 'do' go faster

loads of coppers will ignore it but u always get the hero that loves it and middle name is bastard

silverfox999

Oh dear. Sounds like a real stickler this old bill.

Anything with a laden weight over 2t is limited to:
50 on a single carriagway
60 on a Mway dual carriagway
70 on a Mway (unless towing)

If he is under 2t then its normal limits.

if Taz is right above with the weights above, then i would argue that unless the old bill had a portable weigh bridge (bound to have one on Greed-Bay somewhere) in his boot that he needs to prove that your buddy was over 2t.

Did he make him drive to the nearest weighbridge?

I would get him to get the old bill to prove that he was overloaded...

On the flip side though. The highway codes states this
"Cars & motorcycles (including car derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight)" If the old bill is interpreting that this means an empty wagon under 2t is limited to 50mph because it CAN carry more than 2t then i think he should argue this point for clarification.

Hope this helps?

Silver

AlexF

So whats a std T reg transit come in at

scottbrown

but it is car derived? a transit aint. a fiesta van is

gingeRS

you need to find the answer to this. he may be ok. if the van was empty

scottbrown

weight is not a factor as such.
if it is not car derived then it is classed as a commecial veichle, hence 50 on an a road, up to 7,5 tonnes, 7.5tonne plus is 40 on a roads.

is the CAR DERIRIVED that is the important factor

scottbrown

just looked at pic of one, they are not car based and so will be classed as a commercial veichle, hence 50 being his speed limit

silverfox999

I think Scott has it "car derived", i was reading it and looking for weight not shape....

Looks like your mate will get the ticket irrespective of what weight he was carrying....oops.

Silver

Grant

A Vauxhall Vivaro does NOT weigh more than 2T but can infact carry 2.7T or 2.9T it just depends which model. To carry 2.9T in it is certainly not illegal.

scottbrown

but for it to carry 2.9t would mean that for many it can no longer be driven on a car licence and would need a tacho as I bet the ULW is more than 600kgs

Eagle

iTrader: (2)

a car derived van is totally different than a panel van ...
even my vito is not classed as a car derived van, although they do the 'v' class
what speed was he going ???? because unless the copper was just being a twat or a speed trap they normally ignore it unless your driing like a crazy mofo

although a minibus can do 70 on a dual carriage way .. a van the same size can only do 50 ...

so work that one out .... typical government .. had a nice long conversation about it with some of dorsets finest traffic officers

scottbrown

same as a hgv can only do 40 on a a road yet a full size coach can do 50

benporter

iTrader: (1)

Bollox

I got stoped at 85 on rural national speed limit road, wich according to the copper puts me 35mph over the limit, i need it dropped to 25mph so i get a fixed penalty, it was vivaro van unloaded, Or dose it not matter?

scottbrown

unloaded or full does not matter, it is still a commercial veichle as not car derived and so the limit is 50

focusv8

A Transit Connect is over the limit and is a goods vehicle.
A Peugeot partner is a car derived van.

The reason a Full size Transit is restricted, but a Torneo minibus version is not, is because the van is able to carry more weight than the mini bus is likely to, and therefore is a greater risk with handling and braking.
Using the above as examples its easy to compare to other makes.

It's the gross vehicle mass (total weight including max permitted load) that counts, doesn't matter whether it's loaded or not.



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Big G

If you passed your driving test after 1997??? (need to verify date) when the licences changed you can carry upto 3.5t on a normal car licence,
If passed before you can drive a vehicle upto 7.5t.
Vehicles with a MGW of 3.5t or more need to be fitted with a tacho.

So the Vivaro loaded can be driven on a normal car licence with no tacho.



If the guy wasnt taken to a weighbridge, there is no evidence meaning he has no case to answer to,
The only answer required wouyld be
"Jog on Copper"

scottbrown

not true,
The above example says it can carry a load of 2.9 tonne. so including the veicle weight, fuel, driver etc would put him over 3.5 tonne hence needing a tacho. plus to drive this he must have the 7.5 tonne grandfather licence.

as for the speeding, weight has nothing to do with it. it is a commercial veicle as it is not car derived like a fiesta van, hence the 50mph speed limit.

Big G

The vehicle will have a GVM of 2.9t, so that is van and load combined,
If it was able to carry over 3.5t GVM then it would need a tacho FACT, and i am near 100% certain a Vivaro isnt available on the market to make 3.5t GVM (unless overloaded of course)