MAD EVO 4

Having a cvh in a 52 plate car, would I still need a catalytic converter or does it go on age of engine

JTECH James

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age of the car....

MAD EVO 4

bollox

oh well

JTECH James

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although if you cant find a exact engine number match on the computer i think you have to do a standard 3.5% test.....

jayRS

from what ive been told they go on the engine, if the engine is say a 1990, thay have to do emisson tests based on that.
im sure this is right.

JTECH James

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it may have changed now ,since they have gone on-line, i havent tested since then

i think the ministry now tell the test station what emisions test is required. but im sure there will be exeptions if you know how

MAD EVO 4

ok this is why im getting confused

jayRS

phone up a place that does MOT's and ask, if needbe phone a few

JTECH James

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if the car was made in 2000 ,it would say 2000 on the log book ,you can prove that,

You cant prove what age the engine is, so the ministry would never have gone that route i dont think, cos if your car failed the emmisions test all you would need to say is" yeah but mate its a 1990 engine" and it would pass

JTECH James

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i can check for you tomorow, the college i work at is the local vosa center!

MAD EVO 4

yeah please mate

JTECH James

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im sure up untill the time it went on line , if you couldnt find a exact match on the engine number on the computer system, the vehicle was subject to the standard non cat test.

but now im sure the test is set, by the ministry ,ie they type in the reg and chassis no ,and they are given a test to carry out, with the emissions test aswell, but there is probably a way they can say not original engine and bypass that bit.

gingeRS

there are ways around it

mine just passed its mot, doesnt need a cat, but it passed without an emissions data sheet too

MAD EVO 4

I will notifying the dvla of the changes ill be making and already made

jayRS

it dont matter about the car, its the egine, if they really wanted to they could take the engine number and check, not that they would cos its down to you to prove it not them.

its no different to re-shelling a car, i could reshell my frst into a 95 fiesta shell and a 95 fiesta needs a cat, mine dont so they can fail me for not having one because its the engine of that year that has the car not the shell.

JTECH James

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i think that depends on the test center! every test should have an emissions print out by law. if the minstry catch them not doing it they will get shot!

jayRS

i forget the last time i see the guy that mot's my cars do a emissons test, my rs hasnt got a cat but i went there with my 95 xr3i once and he walked round the back, stopped and said, "this fuckers got a cat aint it" i say yes, he walks back and stuck the prob back on the machine, moved cars and tested the brakes

JTECH James

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its production date ,always has been, vehicles produced after sometime august 92 i think, need to be cat tested


not the way it says vehicles produced, and not engines produced.....

JTECH James

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it may be a case it doesnt have to be cat tested ,if you cant find the exact engine number match like i said before,


But it wouldnt come down to engine production date because that is almost unprovable.... certainly not provable by an mot station

jayRS

so your saying if i put my engine in a mk5 fiest shell the law says i have to fit a cat to a engine that was never designed with one and by law doesnt need to have one..... dont think so.

ive asked this question before to the guy that MOT's my cars as i was gunna put a 2.0 zetec engine in a mk2 xr2, he told me i would need the cat because of the engine, and a xr2 never can with a cat did it....

JTECH James

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no ,im not because you wouldnt be able to find a fiesta with that engine code

JTECH James

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they would take the car details ie age ,type in say 2000 fiesta into the computer it would then give them a list of posible engine codes that the fiesta came with, the tester then has to determine which engine code it is..... if there is no match it cannot be cat tested

we used to get a few that wouldnt pass the cat test so the scam was to just put an extra didgit on the engine code ,and hey presto ,no "exact" match and no cat test

JTECH James

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and hes wrong about the xr2 it wouldnt need a cat if the car was never produced with one,ie before august? 1992. it would be a standard 3.5% co test.

It's Czech Mate

It goes on the age of the engine or the car, whichever is older, if the transplant and its paperwork was correctly done the dvla will know it reqiures a non cat test when u punch the details into the MOT Testing Station

MAD EVO 4

This is what i'm hopeing for

JTECH James

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i knew there would be a way around it!!

so if you fit a non emisions engine to a new car and the dvla agree the car does not need a cat test.

JTECH James

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and if you fit an emissions engine to an old car it still doesnt need a cat test as the car is not cat testable



That does sound right to me now i think about it!

MAD EVO 4

So I could be ok then

jayRS

right, just called my mate at a MOT garage, his a mot tester and he said, providing you can prove the engine is from a year that didnt have a cat (and you need to back it upwith doc's) then you dont need a cat.

MAD EVO 4

where do i get these engine docs from ?

jayRS

he said the detailes of the car it came from, if it was a engine you got on ebay or something i guess your have to get something from dvla from the engine number.

if you cant get anything to back it up i guess your a bit fucked

MAD EVO 4

well i will be engine up but i wont have the car details

unless i can phone the dvla and give them the engine numbers and see if they can send me some info

DazC

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This man is correct...

jayRS

guess so mate, unless you can find some info out about it from where ever you got the lump from

MAD EVO 4

good good

BM08

while were on the subject of MOTS, mines due before the 22nd but in the next week or so the price is going up so could i have my MOT a few weeks earlier? apart from the obvious is there any downside to having it early? or is it the same principal as tax?

Chairman

I found out you dont need a cat on a newer car with a pre-93 engine if you have the log book for the donor car,
I have gone through all this with my nissan which is a 94, and a donor engine from a 90 model.

MAD EVO 4

so how do I get the log book for my engine ?

Chairman

Ask the seller of the engine for the V5 for the car it came from..
Thats the only way I have been told.

Nick_RSIFEZ

i had a M plate fiesta Si, that had a cat on it originally then i put a FRST engine in it and it passed MOT, tested as Non-cat! i believe didn't cause any problems at all no-one even questioned it!